Ashes 2013

[ozleicester]

poor game and the Aussies are now up and firing, this could be a cracking series.

 

[Finnegan]

Even Cook came out and said that anything spoken on the pitch is fair game and that's what the fans want to see. Like Roo said, it's not just about this test it's about the series.

[Mack]

Have you not seen the last 10 years, where we've had some awful defeats yet still won series in every other Test nation?

 

Trott has just done a mad Marcus and ****ed off home with his tail between his legs.

I dont want to see us lose either, however I'm am no fool and have watched us both on TV and in person for decades, and my experience tells me this all stinks of a disaster.

[Bert]

Even Cook came out and said that anything spoken on the pitch is fair game and that's what the fans want to see. Like Roo said, it's not just about this test it's about the series.

There's still a line though....

[goose2010]

Say Anderson didnt like it and started going crazy and hitting people with his bat and forearm smashing people with his pad, is there any type of red card action in cricket? And has it ever happened before??

[surrifox]

I think we will look a bit lame complaining about sledging as most of the England team do it the only point here is that arguably the captain of a national team needs to show a bit of class and Clarke looks to be incapable of that which explains why most people in the team and associated with Australian cricket think he's a bit a twat

[Finnegan]

There's still a line though....

I dunno, I think it's all part of the Ashes isn't it? You need the Aussies to be stereotypical, well, Aussies. You like them cast in this pantomime villain bad guy role, rough edges against the Upstanding English. It's just all part of the humour and the fun of the series, no?

It should hardly ruin Anderson, he's a world class athlete.

[Guest ttfn]

Trott has just done a mad Marcus and ****ed off home with his tail between his legs.

I dont want to see us lose either, however I'm am no fool and have watched us both on TV and in person for decades, and my experience tells me this all stinks of a disaster.

Is this for real?

"Mad Marcus"?

"Fvcked off home"?

I've no idea what mental issues Trott has, but the implication that he's ditched his team-mates because he couldn't hack the pressure is astounding in this day and age.

If that's not what you're implying perhaps a little more tact might be in order.

[SOCCERROO FOX]

With out trying to make light of what ever is wrong with Trott but maybe Davey Warner could see something was wrong with him?

[Guest ttfn]

With out trying to make light of what ever is wrong with Trott but maybe Davey Warner could see something was wrong with him?

I doubt it. Warner could see he was struggling to play Johnson, we all could.

In the cold light of day Warner's comments look insensitive but he wasn't to know that whatever Trott was struggling with was this serious.

[SOCCERROO FOX]

I doubt it. Warner could see he was struggling to play Johnson, we all could.

In the cold light of day Warner's comments look insensitive but he wasn't to know that whatever Trott was struggling with was this serious.

Ecb have come out and said Warners comments had no baring on Trott descion

[Bert]

I dunno, I think it's all part of the Ashes isn't it? You need the Aussies to be stereotypical, well, Aussies. You like them cast in this pantomime villain bad guy role, rough edges against the Upstanding English. It's just all part of the humour and the fun of the series, no?

It should hardly ruin Anderson, he's a world class athlete.

I'm all for sledging. It's part of what makes cricket the sport it is. But threatening someone with a broken arm? That's the sort of stuff you hear at a football match on a Sunday morning.

What sort of example is he setting for youngsters, especially as a captain? To me that wasn't said in a sledging manner, that was said in an aggressive manner.

I guess if we all thought the same this place would be boring.

[SOCCERROO FOX]

I'm all for sledging. It's part of what makes cricket the sport it is. But threatening someone with a broken arm? That's the sort of stuff you hear at a football match on a Sunday morning.

What sort of example is he setting for youngsters, especially as a captain? To me that wasn't said in a sledging manner, that was said in an aggressive manner.

I guess if we all thought the same this place would be boring.

I don't buy this crap about examples for kids as the audio mics are to be turned off between overs. So it should of been only the players that heard it. The broadcaster has apologized for not turning the mic off as they are required to and letting it go to air.

I've played many sports and cricket sledging isn't any less aggressive or vile than any other contact sports.

Alan Border was interviewed this morning and he said what Clarke said was mild compared to the 80s and especially what the windies used to come up with.

[Captain...]

Regardless of what others have said and how bad it is compared to the Windies in the 80s, it is a very real threat of physical violence and in that sense a crime, he has lost 20% of his match fee, so it must have been deemed worse than normal sledging by the umpires. It was just completely unnecessary, they had won the test and comfortably, it just shows a man with no class. Warner's comments in the press, regardless of Trott leaving the tour, are pretty pathetic too, there were never any comments in the last series from the England players about Watson being a walking LBW, or Cowan, Kawaja and Hughes just being crap.

 

It is clear that they have decided to go aggressive on and off the pitch, clearly lead by Lehman, see the whole furore around Broad. I don't know if it is through desperation or trying to evoke bygone eras when the Aussies were the most successful but the least liked cricketing nation. You could even argue it is England's lack of nastiness that stopped us from cementing our position at the top of the rankings. Either way they have set the marker, this is going to be a tight aggressive series and I hope we come out fighting on the pitch, and give it as good as we get off the pitch. It should be an exciting series, better than another England walk over anyway. 

[SOCCERROO FOX]

If it was that serious he would of copped a game suspension 20% approx $2.8k for a guy earning close to $3m shows it was barely a slap on the wrist.

Winning test matches or being liked.....tough choice that one CPF

[Corky]

Is this for real?

"Mad Marcus"?

"Fvcked off home"?

I've no idea what mental issues Trott has, but the implication that he's ditched his team-mates because he couldn't hack the pressure is astounding in this day and age.

If that's not what you're implying perhaps a little more tact might be in order.

 

Apparently this has been on and off for a while, not just overnight.

 

Would be a massive shame if he didn't play for England again as he's been a fine number 3, but his health and wellbeing is more important. Wish him all the best.

[Mack]

Is this for real?

"Mad Marcus"?

"Fvcked off home"?

I've no idea what mental issues Trott has, but the implication that he's ditched his team-mates because he couldn't hack the pressure is astounding in this day and age.

If that's not what you're implying perhaps a little more tact might be in order.

 

The one where playing an Ashes series is the very pinnacle of professional cricket and where a few digs from the aussies have seen him running off home.

[Manwell Pablo]

Regardless of what others have said and how bad it is compared to the Windies in the 80s, it is a very real threat of physical violence and in that sense a crime, he has lost 20% of his match fee, so it must have been deemed worse than normal sledging by the umpires. It was just completely unnecessary, they had won the test and comfortably, it just shows a man with no class. Warner's comments in the press, regardless of Trott leaving the tour, are pretty pathetic too, there were never any comments in the last series from the England players about Watson being a walking LBW, or Cowan, Kawaja and Hughes just being crap.

 

It is clear that they have decided to go aggressive on and off the pitch, clearly lead by Lehman, see the whole furore around Broad. I don't know if it is through desperation or trying to evoke bygone eras when the Aussies were the most successful but the least liked cricketing nation. You could even argue it is England's lack of nastiness that stopped us from cementing our position at the top of the rankings. Either way they have set the marker, this is going to be a tight aggressive series and I hope we come out fighting on the pitch, and give it as good as we get off the pitch. It should be an exciting series, better than another England walk over anyway. 

 

That's no surprise pretty much anyone with an Australian passport .

[leicsmac]

The one where playing an Ashes series is the very pinnacle of professional cricket and where a few digs from the aussies have seen him running off home.

Have you considered applying for a job with the Samaritans? You'd be ideal!

[Mack]

Have you considered applying for a job with the Samaritans? You'd be ideal!

 

Well. As someone who suffers from a 'mental illness' myself I think I can say they are quite manageable with the right treatment and therapy.

Now I know all you PC brigade mongers wont agree but as a kid growing up dreaming of playing cricket what are you dreaming of? Well for most of them it's huge high level International test series, and The Ashes are the biggest of the lot. I'm sorry but if he wasn't right he should never have agreed to go in the first place, and in addition it all seems a little coincidental that Warner put the boot into him and a couple of days later he is on his toes. 

I wish I understood what it was about their lives, the good money, the first class travel, the great food, the camaraderie of being part of a team and the months off work etc that was so terrible as from where I am sitting it seems a ****ing good life and career to chuck away over a few mental issues. These pro sportsmen have psychologists and doctors wrapped around them 24/7 also, just makes no sense to me.

[Guest ttfn]

The one where playing an Ashes series is the very pinnacle of professional cricket and where a few digs from the aussies have seen him running off home.

Eugh.

[Guest ttfn]

Well. As someone who suffers from a 'mental illness' myself I think I can say they are quite manageable with the right treatment and therapy.

Now I know all you PC brigade mongers wont agree but as a kid growing up dreaming of playing cricket what are you dreaming of? Well for most of them it's huge high level International test series, and The Ashes are the biggest of the lot. I'm sorry but if he wasn't right he should never have agreed to go in the first place, and in addition it all seems a little coincidental that Warner put the boot into him and a couple of days later he is on his toes.

I wish I understood what it was about their lives, the good money, the first class travel, the great food, the camaraderie of being part of a team and the months off work etc that was so terrible as from where I am sitting it seems a ****ing good life and career to chuck away over a few mental issues. These pro sportsmen have psychologists and doctors wrapped around them 24/7 also, just makes no sense to me.

As I'd have thought you'd know from your experience of mental illness, for many conditions - OCD and depression to name but two - part of therapy is just "getting on with it" - accepting that you feel dreadful but continuing to live your life anyway. I can tell you from personal experience that this is something that can be approached with all the enthusiasm in the world but at the end of the day it can feel near impossible to maintain. Going in to work 5 miles from where I lived, being away from my then girlfriend (now wife) for just a few hours was absolutely soul-destroying and oddly upsetting given that I'd previously been very independent and all over the world and been fine. But I did it anyway because I knew that I "should" be doing it.

Trott, meanwhile, who has clearly been feeling this way for a while, has travelled about as far away from home as he can get and is subject to the glare of the world's media at work. If he's stressed or has some mental health issues, that's the last environment he'd feel comfortable in. Thrown in this toxic mix is a culture of extreme machoness that you get in international sport and it's a recipe for disaster.

I wouldn't consider myself part of the "PC brigade" but I do consider myself empathetic. Maybe he just needed time with his family.

[Bert]

I don't buy this crap about examples for kids as the audio mics are to be turned off between overs. So it should of been only the players that heard it. The broadcaster has apologized for not turning the mic off as they are required to and letting it go to air.

I've played many sports and cricket sledging isn't any less aggressive or vile than any other contact sports.

Alan Border was interviewed this morning and he said what Clarke said was mild compared to the 80s and especially what the windies used to come up with.

This is 2013 though, not 1985.

 

This was more personal though than just sledging.

[Captain...]

Well. As someone who suffers from a 'mental illness' myself I think I can say they are quite manageable with the right treatment and therapy.

Now I know all you PC brigade mongers wont agree but as a kid growing up dreaming of playing cricket what are you dreaming of? Well for most of them it's huge high level International test series, and The Ashes are the biggest of the lot. I'm sorry but if he wasn't right he should never have agreed to go in the first place, and in addition it all seems a little coincidental that Warner put the boot into him and a couple of days later he is on his toes. 

I wish I understood what it was about their lives, the good money, the first class travel, the great food, the camaraderie of being part of a team and the months off work etc that was so terrible as from where I am sitting it seems a ****ing good life and career to chuck away over a few mental issues. These pro sportsmen have psychologists and doctors wrapped around them 24/7 also, just makes no sense to me.

 

The right treatment? Do you think that having some snarling lunatic with a handle bar moustache throwing a rock hard cricket ball at you at 90 mph in front of thousands of baying convicts is the right treatment? 

 

His head isn't right, it's affecting his game, he's been poor for a while now and can't play his way out of it and is getting worse, he has done the right thing for the team and his health, can't criticise him myself, for all you know there could be stresses from outside his professional life, he spends a lot of time away from his family, these tours aren't easy 2-3 months away, it is not all glamour. A friend of mine works for Sky Sports news and was interviewing Bumble for his column and he called one time during the Ashes, and he just said he was bored and fed up, missed his friends and family and wanted to go home. He doesn't even have to play cricket, gets paid to sit around and watch it, but life isn't as simple as that.

[Mack]

As I'd have thought you'd know from your experience of mental illness, for many conditions - OCD and depression to name but two - part of therapy is just "getting on with it" - accepting that you feel dreadful but continuing to live your life anyway. I can tell you from personal experience that this is something that can be approached with all the enthusiasm in the world but at the end of the day it can feel near impossible to maintain. Going in to work 5 miles from where I lived, being away from my then girlfriend (now wife) for just a few hours was absolutely soul-destroying and oddly upsetting given that I'd previously been very independent and all over the world and been fine. But I did it anyway because I knew that I "should" be doing it.

Trott, meanwhile, who has clearly been feeling this way for a while, has travelled about as far away from home as he can get and is subject to the glare of the world's media at work. If he's stressed or has some mental health issues, that's the last environment he'd feel comfortable in. Thrown in this toxic mix is a culture of extreme machoness that you get in international sport and it's a recipe for disaster.

I wouldn't consider myself part of the "PC brigade" but I do consider myself empathetic. Maybe he just needed time with his family.

 

We all need a little time with our family, bit do you think your employer would send you home from work first class for as long as you felt like it just because you had mental issues?

This is the real world not some fluffy fantasy realm.

Thank **** he doesn't have a proper job!