Guest MattP Posted 20 August 2013 Share Posted 20 August 2013 The only thing that could have made the picture of shameless Mick in his Derby shirt funnier is if they had been sponsored by BP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 21 August 2013 Share Posted 21 August 2013 I'm not quite sure what your point is. If you're asking would I openly object to such behaviour then, yes, depending on circumstances; if you're point is that I wouldn't pipe up if my personal safety would be in jeopardy as a result, then no, of course not. I'm not sure what the 'hiding behind a keyboard' refers to. I've provided my opinion on a subject discussed on an Internet based forum how else would I put my thoughts across? You were trying too point out that because this was chanted at a football match, that somehow the people involved were cowards and wouldn't dare express such an opinion if not in a large group. When in reality, the world I live in jokes like the one flair shared are common place and rarely do I hear anyone get challenged in the way you do on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col city fan Posted 21 August 2013 Share Posted 21 August 2013 It would appear that aggro still exists in football. It's not like the 80's though. That could be scary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyfox Posted 21 August 2013 Share Posted 21 August 2013 You were trying too point out that because this was chanted at a football match, that somehow the people involved were cowards and wouldn't dare express such an opinion if not in a large group. When in reality, the world I live in jokes like the one flair shared are common place and rarely do I hear anyone get challenged in the way you do on here. Right, so such behaviour is 'the norm' in your 'world'? Well, fortunately, it's not in mine and never will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stadt Posted 21 August 2013 Share Posted 21 August 2013 The only thing that could have made the picture of shameless Mick in his Derby shirt funnier is if they had been sponsored by BP. that's a bit sick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 21 August 2013 Share Posted 21 August 2013 It is isn't it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stadt Posted 21 August 2013 Share Posted 21 August 2013 It is isn't it.My sense of humour is quite dark,so I found it funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Horse's Mouth Posted 21 August 2013 Share Posted 21 August 2013 The only thing that could have made the picture of shameless Mick in his Derby shirt funnier is if they had been sponsored by BP. I feel bad that I smiled at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sykes999 Posted 22 August 2013 Share Posted 22 August 2013 Dont see whats wrong with a bit of a scrap? as long as innocent people dont get hurt its just part of the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 22 August 2013 Share Posted 22 August 2013 Really! Are some people to slow to realise that every time there's a 'scrap' at or associated with a football match it's gives the authorities the excuse to treat fans like criminals and adds more days to the wait for the return of standing. It matters not that it occurs in other areas of life the authorities don't care about that. If you prefer to seemingly welcome these scraps you must love being herded, shoved, forced to take certain routes to games, banned from sections of towns and forced to sit. Hope you continue to enjoy that sort of treatment and experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corky Posted 22 August 2013 Share Posted 22 August 2013 Dont see whats wrong with a bit of a scrap? as long as innocent people dont get hurt its just part of the game It's part of the game? Er, no it isn't. It's people who want to fight (for some reason) attaching themselves to the football. And innocent people often get caught up in it, and views like yours do nothing to get rid of the view that football fans are hooligans and can't be trusted to be left alone responsibly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 22 August 2013 Share Posted 22 August 2013 Really! Are some people to slow to realise that every time there's a 'scrap' at or associated with a football match it's gives the authorities the excuse to treat fans like criminals and adds more days to the wait for the return of standing. It matters not that it occurs in other areas of life the authorities don't care about that. If you prefer to seemingly welcome these scraps you must love being herded, shoved, forced to take certain routes to games, banned from sections of towns and forced to sit. Hope you continue to enjoy that sort of treatment and experience. I agree with you, but even if the whole game went trouble free for 25 years the coppers would still behave the same towards football supporters, the damage is done now and too much of their resources and overtime is dependant on them treating us like it. Hence why when the fans aren't fighting the coppers do a pretty good job of kicking it off themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inckley fox Posted 22 August 2013 Share Posted 22 August 2013 Really! Are some people to slow to realise that every time there's a 'scrap' at or associated with a football match it's gives the authorities the excuse to treat fans like criminals and adds more days to the wait for the return of standing. It matters not that it occurs in other areas of life the authorities don't care about that. If you prefer to seemingly welcome these scraps you must love being herded, shoved, forced to take certain routes to games, banned from sections of towns and forced to sit. Hope you continue to enjoy that sort of treatment and experience. Surely that is more the fault of the authorities than the scrappers? If the government is itching to treat ordinary people like criminals and use the excuse of a handful of scuffling half-wits as justification, then perhaps we should all be directing our anger towards them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 22 August 2013 Share Posted 22 August 2013 I agree with you, but even if the whole game went trouble free for 25 years the coppers would still behave the same towards football supporters, the damage is done now and too much of their resources and overtime is dependant on them treating us like it. Hence why when the fans aren't fighting the coppers do a pretty good job of kicking it off themselves. You're correct I've seen plenty of provocative policing at football but never the less the attitude that fighting is part and parcel of the game will continue to prevent any progress, however small in the way fans are treated. What is annoying is that a lot of this is done in the name of being provoked by other fans yet I get the impression that those that respond and get sucked into these fights have themselves been guilty of provocation. So many fans seemed to be unable to take some serious 'banter' yet are quite happy to dish it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 22 August 2013 Share Posted 22 August 2013 Surely that is more the fault of the authorities than the scrappers? If the government is itching to treat ordinary people like criminals and use the excuse of a handful of scuffling half-wits as justification, then perhaps we should all be directing our anger towards them. And many are but it's a losing battle when there are these half wits who can't see the damage they are doing. As MattP said the damage was done a while ago which makes it really difficult to change opinions on who the majority of fans are. The authorities are in fear that if they released the constraints the bad days will return. Let's not forget that even in those bad days the majority of fans were not involved albeit many were driven away from watching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burmesefox Posted 22 August 2013 Share Posted 22 August 2013 Dont see whats wrong with a bit of a scrap? as long as innocent people dont get hurt its just part of the game It's total bollocks about the hooligan code of ethics - in reality and more so nowadays innocents get picked off. Most of the trouble now is a group of 10/20 picking off whoever happens to be unfortunate enough to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayfox Posted 22 August 2013 Share Posted 22 August 2013 It's total bollocks about the hooligan code of ethics - in reality and more so nowadays innocents get picked off. Most of the trouble now is a group of 10/20 picking off whoever happens to be unfortunate enough to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Agree. But that is just the yob culture we live in full stop. Part of the reason i love travelling away with a crowd. But would avoid town with a few mates. As for some reason the same people who would stand with you in the name of lcfc. Would happily kick shit out of you in town on a friday night. ****ing mental if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lestajigs Posted 22 August 2013 Share Posted 22 August 2013 This thread is as interesting as the we hate Watford topic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 22 August 2013 Share Posted 22 August 2013 It's The Big John Steader. I wouldn't be surprised about any element of his life. I don't think he has one yet, but he sure needs to get one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEBIGJOHNSTEADER; Posted 22 August 2013 Share Posted 22 August 2013 I don't think he has one yet, but he sure needs to get one. Don't slit your wrists over it pal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 22 August 2013 Share Posted 22 August 2013 Don't slit your wrists over it pal. No chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluetintedspecs Posted 22 August 2013 Share Posted 22 August 2013 Well this thread could go down a storm at Speakers Corner. Seriously saddened by the soapbox mentality, the mere fact that this has created such debate, vitriol and people taking the moral high ground is surely cyber bullying? Why not just meet up and have a good punch up? On a serious note as an old timer I would never want a return of the dark days of the 80s, glorifying these incidents however minor or major just fuels feelings, particularly in these tech savvy days! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col city fan Posted 22 August 2013 Share Posted 22 August 2013 Well this thread could go down a storm at Speakers Corner. Seriously saddened by the soapbox mentality, the mere fact that this has created such debate, vitriol and people taking the moral high ground is surely cyber bullying? Why not just meet up and have a good punch up? On a serious note as an old timer I would never want a return of the dark days of the 80s, glorifying these incidents however minor or major just fuels feelings, particularly in these tech savvy days! Good post buddy.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The People's Hero Posted 23 August 2013 Share Posted 23 August 2013 Surely as long as innocents don't get caught up in it, no problem? Darwinism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Year Of The Fox Posted 24 August 2013 Share Posted 24 August 2013 Surely as long as innocents don't get caught up in it, no problem? Darwinism? My feelings exactly. I know a few of the lads who got locked up after that cov episode afew years back. Despite it being arranged you'd see more violence ln Loughborough on a Saturday by all accounts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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