This Contract Situation

[Bettsj2]

There is not a single player that we couldnt cope without anymore.

The only one IMO that would be difficult to replace is Dyer but I fully expect him to still be here next season regardless of division.

[ktfox59]

A footballers career isnt over when they retire from playing, they just have to develop themselves. Coaching, management, scouting, media (chris kamara gets loads of work and he is a lunatic) and after dinner speeches. Im not sure why you think we owe them anything, if we get promoted he gets offered a contract, probably around what he is currently getting, if we dont the contract offered will be a smaller one, if he can get better he will leave, if he cant he will accept and adjust his lifestyle accordingly. Its not much of a story really.

[sdb]

Just sign Nigel up, wait for the rest til promotion is assured in mid March

 

Agree, NP is essential. The others need to focus on the job in hand. Surely they can understand the clubs' finances depend on our league. 

[ktfox59]

exactly. why do players feel the world owes them a lifestyle for life.

when do people think that mr and mrs morgan had to last check their heating bills like many of his many oap fans will do this winter? tbh their moaning on twitter will only alienate them imo.

Also maybe the club will see these outbursts as a bit of a clue to wes's character when the going gets tough. Much like the kamikaze defending a lot when we are under pressure.

A footballers career isnt over when they retire from playing, they just have to develop themselves. Coaching, management, scouting, media (chris kamara gets loads of work and he is a lunatic) and after dinner speeches. Im not sure why you think we owe them anything, if we get promoted he gets offered a contract, probably around what he is currently getting, if we dont the contract offered will be a smaller one, if he can get better he will leave, if he cant he will accept and adjust his lifestyle accordingly. Its not much of a story really.

[ktfox59]

sorry for getting things wrong way round.u get my drift tho im sure

[ktfox59]

we have all seen the pictures and film of forces personnel with limbs blown off and killed doing a brilliant job 7 days a week.or the emergency services who all do a great job for decent, but not a fraction of mr and mrs morgans salary. rarely do we hear them moan unlike wes these days.

has he forgotten that he was a mainstay in last seasons slump? obviously wasnt doing the best job.

yes he has been v decent this season but as above woeful at times.

just get on with it wes. we all want to see lcfc in the premier.

[Strokes]

I believe the owners should show faith in the project and these players who have all been fantastic servants of our club and offer them at least the same terms they are on now.

You can build a spine around those players that will be good for seasons to come, and the owners who have shown they are here for the long term need to see that and cement our positive future.

In my opinion.

Faith in the project could destabilise our long term future, its a poison we must take to become the club we all believe we are destined to be. Yes promotion now would save everything but it is yet another gamble, for once the owners are being responsible.

We dont owe these players a living, my guess is come the end of their contracts, we will still offer them the best deal but also a good deal for both parties, regardless of the division we reside. Hats off to the owners for realising our exact position within football and actually looking beyond the one season.

[Father Ted]

I'd be offering them contracts - varying upon the division we are in...

 

For example, with Morgan, I'd offer him a contract of 2 years with an additional 1 year triggered based on appearances over the two years - IF WE DON'T GO UP, if we do go up, then I'd offer two years and a higher wage than the previous contract offer for if we were not to get promoted.

 

Apply this to Dyer also.

 

Offer Wasyl one more year.

 

Offer Schmeichel 3 years.

 

Offer Konch 2 years if we don't go up and 1 year if we do. 

 

The rest I'm not too bothered about, if we want to move forward, Danns, St Ledger, Whitbread, Waghorn are deadwood.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

Just sign Nigel up, wait for the rest til promotion is assured in mid March

 

Why should he be treated any differently? Like the players he has only got the job half done. This is his third go at it, and if he fluffs it ( God forbid ) he will, like the players, have failed..

[Dan]

Have TOP forgotten or something? Should we fail to achieve promotion this year this must be the worst case scenario (i.e. all our best players and progress dismantled due to contracts expiring). I'm praying that tomorrow there's just a huge announcement and everyone's been offered 2 year deals. 

 

But will it?

 

The thought of pandering to their demands is a bit daft considering none of them have actually achieved anything yet. They're doing well, but if they're saying they won't keep it up until they're offered a new deal then they can do one.

 

Leicester are right to wait. Not on Pearson (as I believe he's considerably the most important of the lot) but the players themselves? I think all they can do is continue playing to the standard they have been and they'll be sorted. They'll get their wishes if they gain promotion (well, some of them will).

[Frost]

I for one find it exciting. Very interested to see what will happen, because no doubt nearly all of them wouldn't get the contract they are on currently anywhere else. I agree, I think Pearson's contract is the most important looking at it at this stage, but I'm just intrigued as to who we'll keep.

 

I think either way there will be more departures than we expect, whether we go up or not, but its not that easy to go out and sign 7-8 players without spending decent amounts, especially for Premier League survival/another promotion push.

 

As a fan I don't see the point in worrying about it, what will be will be. 

 

Hopefully we just run away with the league & all be well - I wish.

[cityfanlee23]

5-year contracts are very rare these days and only the most prestigious and/or talented ones have them granted.

I don't know where your antipathy towards Nugent is coming from - I sense it's more or less uncalled for.

 

All you can offer is "ifs" and "buts".

We don't know how Nugent's season will pan out, we don't know for how much longer he can keep up the pace and his form and goalscoring record. Nobody can predict that.

All we can hope for is that he, and his LCFC peers, put in the extra shift and maintain the current form and see us through the finishing line with promotion beckoning.

 

Like I've already stated in another thread, every player goes through rough patches. You just seem to dwell in Nugent's past mishaps in particular.

And I don't quite understand why that is.

 

 

Well It is a case of opinion. After 11 months of mishaps it's time to move on IMO, Or should we have stuck with Matt Mills? Beckford, Danns, Gallagher, Waghorn?

 

the majority of fans say no.

Should we have stuck with sven?

No.

 

So why all the arse licking with the only player who has yet to hit form in about a year?

 

especially as he's on one of the biggest wages at the club.

The 5 years was more sarcasm than anything.

 

thats the way I see it anyway... 

 

with regard to my "Ifs" and "Buts" thats what our fans have been hanging onto for the last year "If" nugent starts scoring more from open play "But" he may hit form.

So far. He's not.

Contract running out, Not worth another 2 years IMO.

 

There are a few clubs who would probably pay a similar wage in this league.

[MC Prussian]

Well It is a case of opinion. After 11 months of mishaps it's time to move on IMO, Or should we have stuck with Matt Mills? Beckford, Danns, Gallagher, Waghorn?

 

the majority of fans say no.

Should we have stuck with sven?

No.

 

So why all the arse licking with the only player who has yet to hit form in about a year?

 

especially as he's on one of the biggest wages at the club.

The 5 years was more sarcasm than anything.

 

thats the way I see it anyway... 

 

with regard to my "Ifs" and "Buts" thats what our fans have been hanging onto for the last year "If" nugent starts scoring more from open play "But" he may hit form.

So far. He's not.

Contract running out, Not worth another 2 years IMO.

 

There are a few clubs who would probably pay a similar wage in this league.

There's a reason why we're sticking with David Nugent. It's because he's actually good (at this level).

 

Comparing him to Mills and Beckford, who were both on massively overblown wages and transfer fees is nothing short of ridiculous.

Danns is still with the club, albeit out on loan. Same goes for Gallagher.

I take it they're both in Pearson's plans to some extent. Whether they'll ever feature again in a Leicester shirt remains to be seen, though.

I can't comment on Waghorn since I haven't seen enough of him this season to fully judge his ability.

 

Which other strikers have managed to score over 40 goals in three seasons in the Championship? And how much would they cost?

Nugent came to the club on a free - what a bargain.

 

We're just past the halfway mark this season and he's already at a dozen goals scored. A number which can potentially still increase with 22 more games to go.

With Nugent approaching his 29th birthday, he has at least another two to three, if not more good seasons in him.

 

Denying his ability just because he lost his stride for a while is being unjust to the guy.

Whether he scores from open play or from the penalty spot - the goals are still essential and goal difference could be decisive comes the end of the season.

 

You may dislike Nugent, fair enough. But that doesn't warrant the amount of unjustified criticism you're dishing out.

[cityfanlee23]

There's a reason why we're sticking with David Nugent. It's because he's actually good (at this level).

 

Comparing him to Mills and Beckford, who were both on massively overblown wages and transfer fees is nothing short of ridiculous.

Danns is still with the club, albeit out on loan. Same goes for Gallagher.

I take it they're both in Pearson's plans to some extent. Whether they'll ever feature again in a Leicester shirt remains to be seen, though.

I can't comment on Waghorn since I haven't seen enough of him this season to fully judge his ability.

 

Which other strikers have managed to score over 40 goals in three seasons in the Championship? And how much would they cost?

Nugent came to the club on a free - what a bargain.

 

We're just past the halfway mark this season and he's already at a dozen goals scored. A number which can potentially still increase with 22 more games to go.

With Nugent approaching his 29th birthday, he has at least another two to three, if not more good seasons in him.

 

Denying his ability just because he lost his stride for a while is being unjust to the guy.

Whether he scores from open play or from the penalty spot - the goals are still essential and goal difference could be decisive comes the end of the season.

 

You may dislike Nugent, fair enough. But that doesn't warrant the amount of unjustified criticism you're dishing out.

 

 

I do have to agree with everything you say..

 

but on the other hand, Mills, Beckford and Danns were quality before they came to us... 

Mills was readings player of the season wasnt he? captaining them to promotion and looked a monster.

Beckford had come from some good performances for everton, notably his goal from his own box into the opposition box at chelsea, beating no less than 4 players.

Danns was decent at crystal palace.

 

But they were hated. 

 

Mostly because they did not warrant a wage they earned.

 

Nugent did warrant it until 12 months ago. since then he has not IMO

 

So I don't feel its unjust to say let him have another 2 years. again, He has scored penalties but from open play has been poor.

But I really dont want to get into the penalty discussion mate.

 

Agree to disagree, nugent has been a great servant.

But for me it's time to move on (And for many others it seems with recent threads)

 

Unjust? You decide. I think not personally.

[MC Prussian]

I do have to agree with everything you say..

 

but on the other hand, Mills, Beckford and Danns were quality before they came to us... 

Mills was readings player of the season wasnt he? captaining them to promotion and looked a monster.

Beckford had come from some good performances for everton, notably his goal from his own box into the opposition box at chelsea, beating no less than 4 players.

Danns was decent at crystal palace.

 

But they were hated. 

 

Mostly because they did not warrant a wage they earned.

 

Nugent did warrant it until 12 months ago. since then he has not IMO

 

So I don't feel its unjust to say let him have another 2 years. again, He has scored penalties but from open play has been poor.

But I really dont want to get into the penalty discussion mate.

 

Agree to disagree, nugent has been a great servant.

But for me it's time to move on (And for many others it seems with recent threads)

 

Unjust? You decide. I think not personally.

You still fail to come up with an answer as to whom YOU would get instead of Nugent - on a free and on similar wages.

I can only assume he's nowhere near the wages we gave the likes of Beckford or Mills.

 

Scoring penalties may not seem like a great feat at first. But you still have to score them first and his tally could potentially become very important at the end of the season.

 

With the right additions and the right support from midfield, he will still be a great addition to the squad and he can even get a little better. I, for my part, have faith in the guy.

The club and the players need all the support they can get from the fans for the remaining 22 games this season (hopefully only 22 and not 23 or more ) and so I'd give all of them the benefit of the doubt and say that they can and will improve for the reminder of this season. The prospect of promotion is too attractive to simply falter and give up at this point in time.

 

And like I said in another thread, every player, no matter how good he is, goes through rough patches occasionally. Just like David Nugent.

[smudgerfox]

Surely a rock and a hard place which no-one can really resolve until/unless we get promoted, with the fact that the distraction could threaten the promotion project just one of the irritating details. Not sure you can even blame anyone - except for the failure to offer NFP another contract - is this yet another example of a foreign macho owner making clear Nige will be for the push if we don't get promoted and possibly even if we are? You could make a case for making an exception for Morgan who as club captain ought to be still with us irrespective of which league we end up in next season - though his role in stirring up the contracts issue has not increased his chances of special treatment.

 

But the rest of the  players - well it's in their interest to agitate now - at the moment we look as though we might get up and if negotiations started tomorrow they would have to be on the basis of us being in the Prem next season. That would mean paying Prem wages before we get there - which is what did for us under Sven and is probably life-threatening under financial fair play. nd to effectively agree two contracts per player (one for Prem one, for Champ) would look like weakness at this stage. To start negotiations only with the players we want to keep  would alienate those who we don't want and in any case the players we want, surely depends on which league we're in anyway.

 

From where I sit - even some of the best known, expensive players - Nugent, Konchesky to take two - would have question marks over them if we were in the Premiership. Yes their experience and know-how would be useful but Nuge is struggling now to make a decisive impact at Championship level and if I recall correctly  he wasn't great in the Premiership on his previous visit (Portsmouth was it?) and Konchesky dopped down to us after being dreadfully exposed at the higher level. But for now these are two players we need firing on all cylinders and not worrying about whether they need to find a new club. There isn't really a problem-free solution.

[MrSpaM]

The way I can see this going is :-

 

Player : Wheres my new contract?

LCFC : Here it is

Player : But thats less than I'm on now

LCFC : Take it or leave it

Player : Fine I'll look for another club

 

*Players speaks to other clubs*

 

Player : Can I have a contract please

Other club : Why yes, take a look at this

Player : But that's even less than Leicester are offering

Other club : Take it or leave it

 

*Player thinks about it*

 

Player : Ermmm can I take that contract please, everybody else is offering me peanuts

LCFC : Of course, just sign the dotted line...

[sylofox]

Starting to think most of the 11 will be set free come june.

 

I don't think it will matter what happens this season.

If we miss out they are not good enough and overpaid.

 

If we make it how many are really good enough out of the 11.

praps Kasper and Dyer while he has his pace.

 

Not even sure our owners will stay loyal to NP even if he takes us up.

Thinking they will use the summer to clear the decks and start again if we go up.

[ktfox59]

can one of the moderators please tell me why it appears that my posts have been removed from this topic.

I certainly thought the content was relevant and this is a forum which, I assumed when I signed up, was a place for debate.

Thanks in advance.

[ktfox59]

they have now re appeared thanks and apologies for my poor eyesight

[Guest MattP]

The "I need to think about my family' line is a pisspoor cop out.

Even if we release Wes he isn't going to be without a club next year.

These players are probably on contracts more than they are worth. I couldn't make a decision as to whether I think he deserves one unless I knew what he was on and what he's asking.

[Dan]

The "I need to think about my family' line is a pisspoor cop out.

Even if we release Wes he isn't going to be without a club next year.

These players are probably on contracts more than they are worth. I couldn't make a decision as to whether I think he deserves one unless I knew what he was on and what he's asking.

 

Pretty much that although I can say with some confidence that he'll be on an amount that more than covers feeding his family.

[C-man]

Starting to think most of the 11 will be set free come june.

I don't think it will matter what happens this season.

If we miss out they are not good enough and overpaid.

If we make it how many are really good enough out of the 11.

praps Kasper and Dyer while he has his pace.

Not even sure our owners will stay loyal to NP even if he takes us up.

Thinking they will use the summer to clear the decks and start again if we go up.

Football is littered with success stories where clubs have 'cleared the decks'...

[davieG]

Morgan - http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Sort-contracts-lose-stars-warns-Leicester-City/story-20408252-detail/story.html

Pearson - http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Leicester-City-boss-Nigel-Pearson-says-contract/story-20408251-detail/story.html

[Dickov22]

Getting pretty bored of Wes Morgan what with his wife's ridiculous Twitter outbursts, and now him being quoted in local media. He's been half the player this season compared to last. He should get his head down and stop letting the Manager and the fans down with disruptive comments that help no one. He's hardly going to be left at the end of the season without a club is he? He's a good player who other clubs will want, in the unlikely event that we don't want him. It's very bratty behaviour in my opinion.