Mack Posted 5 January 2014 Posted 5 January 2014 We can't offerreduced terms with those on your essential list, which in the position we currently are at, would be the only thing we could offer. I'd imagine if we were to get promotion, the moment it is confirmed, comparable offers would be made. The current contracts do not fit with what is sustainable in this league, for what we pay them, next season we could get 2 quality replacement should we still be in the championship. I believe the owners should show faith in the project and these players who have all been fantastic servants of our club and offer them at least the same terms they are on now. You can build a spine around those players that will be good for seasons to come, and the owners who have shown they are here for the long term need to see that and cement our positive future. In my opinion.
davieG Posted 5 January 2014 Posted 5 January 2014 I believe the owners should show faith in the project and these players who have all been fantastic servants of our club and offer them at least the same terms they are on now. You can build a spine around those players that will be good for seasons to come, and the owners who have shown they are here for the long term need to see that and cement our positive future. In my opinion. How can we offer them what they're on now. It those wages that have impacted on our ability to achieve FFP and severely restricted Pearson in the transfer market/squad development, why else would he have signed the likes of Bakayago? And what about the impact that would have on incoming players on vastly reduced wages by comaprison?
Kinowe Soorie Posted 5 January 2014 Posted 5 January 2014 It doesn't matter who we think what players should be retained, it's Nigel's (if he's still here) and he will know what players are good enough for whichever division we are in and if they deserve a new contract or not.
Babylon Posted 5 January 2014 Posted 5 January 2014 I believe the owners should show faith in the project and these players who have all been fantastic servants of our club and offer them at least the same terms they are on now. You can build a spine around those players that will be good for seasons to come, and the owners who have shown they are here for the long term need to see that and cement our positive future. In my opinion. How can we offer the same terms, if you read between the lines we will reach FFP, but it will take the full £8m loss to do so. That would need reducing by £5m plus next year.
Happy Fox Posted 5 January 2014 Posted 5 January 2014 Affirmation that the owners will wait till see if we are promoted. http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/leicester-contract-row-wes-morgan-2986855 Leicester captain Wes Morgan fears the successful side may be ripped apart by a growing contract row. The Foxes top the Championship and head to Premier League Stoke today. But stopper Morgan (above) is one of 11 players out of contract this season, as well as manager Nigel Pearson. They also include highly-rated keeper Kasper Schmeichel and top-scorer David Nugent. But Leicester’s Thai owners refuse to commit two new deals until they know what division the club will be in next season. They are insisting on cut-backs after spending big under Sven Goran Eriksson. But, from this month, Leicester’s out-of-contract players are free to speak to foreign clubs. Morgan, 29, said: “It is unfortunate nothing has been sorted. Nothing has been said either. There are a lot of boys up at the end of the season and they are thinking about the situation. “It would be nice to see support from upstairs. Hopefully, they will look at what our boys have done and reward some of them – or tell us one way or the other. “We have a great team and it would be unfortunate if some of the players did go or start thinking about elsewhere.†Check out all the latest News, Sport & Celeb gossip at Mirror.co.uk http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/leicester-contract-row-wes-morgan-2986855#ixzz2pWJN8dKS Follow us: @DailyMirror on Twitter | DailyMirror on Facebook
LCCFox96 Posted 5 January 2014 Posted 5 January 2014 People are very hasty to get rid wasyl. I would certainly include him on the list of those to offer a new deal. Bags of experience and has looked steady since his arrival. Worth a 1 year extension at least. Certainly a good player for the championship and also a good squad player for PL. It's his last decent pay day so he'll take a decent contract (likely the same terms) if offered. Also I wouldn't be too hasty on GTF. He is starting to show glimpses of quality and has proved himself useful in some tighter games - most notetale QPR (a) - when coming off the bench. Whilst he is no twinkle toes he is an intelligent player and is a very different option to what we have now. I would definately keep him if we stayed down and consider hard before releasing of we went up. Agree with Danns, Whitbread and SSL leaving. With 2 already on loan till their contracts are up they are clearly leaving on frees and I should imagine we will try and shift SSL and Waghorn this window. This debate on nugent is slightly harsh imo. Whilst he has not recreated his best form ( far from it) this year he is still top scorer and has been for a few years now. His form has slightly improved in the last 2 league games (don't know about the cup game cus I couldn't make it). I also believed he has some innate quality and class, which his England cap and PL experience highlights, which stands him out ahead of vardy, schlupp and waghorn (don't get me wrong still all good players). I believe wood to be in a similar mould to nugent. Those two are players who can score goals ( leave the penalty puns out of this) without being on top form and are devastating when on form. I would definately offer nugent fresh terms with a slightly lower pay cheque and 2-3 year deal. As onE of the only players we have to have played EPL it would be stupid to go up without him and he can be one of the top players in this league so silly to carry on without him in the championship as well.
Jobyfox Posted 5 January 2014 Posted 5 January 2014 Affirmation that the owners will wait till see if we are promoted. http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/leicester-contract-row-wes-morgan-2986855 Leicester captain Wes Morgan fears the successful side may be ripped apart by a growing contract row. The Foxes top the Championship and head to Premier League Stoke today. But stopper Morgan (above) is one of 11 players out of contract this season, as well as manager Nigel Pearson. They also include highly-rated keeper Kasper Schmeichel and top-scorer David Nugent. But Leicester’s Thai owners refuse to commit two new deals until they know what division the club will be in next season. They are insisting on cut-backs after spending big under Sven Goran Eriksson. But, from this month, Leicester’s out-of-contract players are free to speak to foreign clubs. Morgan, 29, said: “It is unfortunate nothing has been sorted. Nothing has been said either. There are a lot of boys up at the end of the season and they are thinking about the situation. “It would be nice to see support from upstairs. Hopefully, they will look at what our boys have done and reward some of them – or tell us one way or the other. “We have a great team and it would be unfortunate if some of the players did go or start thinking about elsewhere.†Check out all the latest News, Sport & Celeb gossip at Mirror.co.uk http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/leicester-contract-row-wes-morgan-2986855#ixzz2pWJN8dKS Follow us: @DailyMirror on Twitter | DailyMirror on Facebook
Babylon Posted 5 January 2014 Posted 5 January 2014 Affirmation that the owners will wait till see if we are promoted. http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/leicester-contract-row-wes-morgan-2986855 Leicester captain Wes Morgan fears the successful side may be ripped apart by a growing contract row. The Foxes top the Championship and head to Premier League Stoke today. But stopper Morgan (above) is one of 11 players out of contract this season, as well as manager Nigel Pearson. They also include highly-rated keeper Kasper Schmeichel and top-scorer David Nugent. But Leicester’s Thai owners refuse to commit two new deals until they know what division the club will be in next season. They are insisting on cut-backs after spending big under Sven Goran Eriksson. But, from this month, Leicester’s out-of-contract players are free to speak to foreign clubs. Morgan, 29, said: “It is unfortunate nothing has been sorted. Nothing has been said either. There are a lot of boys up at the end of the season and they are thinking about the situation. “It would be nice to see support from upstairs. Hopefully, they will look at what our boys have done and reward some of them – or tell us one way or the other. “We have a great team and it would be unfortunate if some of the players did go or start thinking about elsewhere.†Check out all the latest News, Sport & Celeb gossip at Mirror.co.uk http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/leicester-contract-row-wes-morgan-2986855#ixzz2pWJN8dKS Follow us: @DailyMirror on Twitter | DailyMirror on Facebook A reporter in the nationals using "two" incorrectly. Deary me.
Itsthejoeker Posted 5 January 2014 Posted 5 January 2014 We're hardly going to have a mass exodus of players if we get promoted, what a joke.
Mack Posted 5 January 2014 Posted 5 January 2014 How can we offer the same terms, if you read between the lines we will reach FFP, but it will take the full £8m loss to do so. That would need reducing by £5m plus next year. From what I understand of the conversion of the debt into shares a cushion of 8-10 million loss has been built into the financial deal at the time. So with minimal penalty given the offloading of Danns and 1 or two others in the summer should see us OK.
Corky Posted 5 January 2014 Posted 5 January 2014 They will be far more in demand and attractive if they've just won promotion, both to our club and others. Get the job done and then we can really talk about extending deals.
DanTheFox07 Posted 5 January 2014 Posted 5 January 2014 I agree with the club's stance over this, although the agents for each player will not be doing there job's if they are not touting there player's to club's and making it known they are out of contract in the summer. Wise thing to do make sure we get promoted first as if we don't then would change to position of most player's at the club anyway, if they really want to leave then I say let them leave.
Hirsty The Blue 94 Posted 5 January 2014 Posted 5 January 2014 Just sign Nigel up, wait for the rest til promotion is assured in mid March
reynard Posted 5 January 2014 Posted 5 January 2014 We're hardly going to have a mass exodus of players if we get promoted, what a joke. Why not? Most are simply not good enough for the premier league in any case. Look at our performances vs permier league sides in the cups. Frankly sqeaked past a much changed Fulham side who look like likely relegation fodder, not unsurprisngly completely outclassed by Man City and pretty much played off the pitch for a good hour yesterday by a Stoke side which is struggling to maintain a mid table position. Make no mistake even to compete with the bottom 10 clubs we would need a massive investment. The owners are quite right to hold fire on new contracts and the players who are damn well paid for what they do will have to accept this. As Davie G says, play well and show how good you are and the better will be your chance of a decent new contract. Maybe they should offer to do without agents! The club could pay the agent's cut direct to the player instead. The totally out of control spiralling player wages of recent years are one reason why ordinary fans have and are continuing to be priced out of the game and it is about time everyone remembered this.
hebangsthedrums Posted 5 January 2014 Posted 5 January 2014 Kasper Morgan Wasyl Konch SSL Whitbread Danns Dyer Waghorn Nugent GTF Signing up the first four and Nuge & Dyer would be my choice, depending of course on demands & where we are next year which none of us know. Replacing with free players isn't that easy as those players available are in the same boat as ours, in that they will ask for a better weekly deal than they would get were a fee paid on the basis that the acquiring club isn't having to pay a fee for them - fairly obvious I would have thought? I like how in some other leagues they look at a transfer in terms of overall value ie a £10m deal might actually only be a £5m fee to buy the player, with the contract they get is worth £5m over its course. I wouldn't want us to just cave in and sign players up as they might leave, but a I'm pretty sure its not as simple as saying 'Nugent is on 24k - we can get someone better for the same money' Yes maybe, but probably not on a free, likely if you pay £2/3M to acquire them. Best option to me would be new deals with differing pay scales depending on what league we are in next season. I'm sure its more complicated than that otherwise it would have been done though. I'm sure NP knows the score so is making plans either way.
XLM Posted 5 January 2014 Posted 5 January 2014 Have TOP forgotten or something? Should we fail to achieve promotion this year this must be the worst case scenario (i.e. all our best players and progress dismantled due to contracts expiring). I'm praying that tomorrow there's just a huge announcement and everyone's been offered 2 year deals.
MattyFromLE Posted 5 January 2014 Posted 5 January 2014 Times are changing in Football for me, very gradually player power is being eroded and it might even be that as the seasons pass fees for players will be come less prominent and players will arrange their futures as their contracts come to an end. That said what we have below with our players is the basis and spine of a team that will see us in good stead for a good few seasons to come, and regardless of where we will play next season they need to be signed up, as for the rest a better decision can be made when we know which division we are playing in come the summer, although some just don't fit our mould and would be better to move on to find better times elsewhere. Essential signings now: Kasper Morgan Nugent Dyer Konch Summer assessment: Wasyl Waghorn GTF Let them go: Danns Sean St Ledger Whitbread I think most would agree with this. Best case scenario in my opinion.
MooseBreath Posted 5 January 2014 Posted 5 January 2014 How can we offer the same terms, if you read between the lines we will reach FFP, but it will take the full £8m loss to do so. That would need reducing by £5m plus next year. Pearson actually said we are currently profitable a couple of weeks ago though didn't he? I'm assuming he probably meant profitable on a monthly basis, during a month when we had no signing on fees to pay or anything like that, but still if we're profitable then FFP ain't no thing. I just don't think we are willing to offer the same terms because they are absurd and the club doesn't see itself as a dumb cashcow for these players.
Out Foxed Posted 5 January 2014 Posted 5 January 2014 dunno about keeping conch, if he's willing to take a contract at 10k or less then maybe
oxtonfox Posted 5 January 2014 Posted 5 January 2014 This is a bit of a concern to be honest. Footballers quite rightly look after themselves and the Wes interview the other day was a bit of a worry. I am sure Billy Davies would like to upset our promotion push by dangling a few carrots his way. One thing is for sure that outside of our best 14 or so players we do not have any depth or decent cover including the youth team. Forest have more depth than us as do QPR, Blackburn. Bolton do too but I think they are too far back. King Power inc. have been quiet but I dont thing they are stupid and will know that they have a great chance of their Premiership holy grail so I hope they see the issue and resolve it somehow with half a dozen contract deals with a big incentive bonus payout if we get promoted.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 5 January 2014 Posted 5 January 2014 No one would offer you, or I, a new contract with a job half done Why should footballers be treated differently, just because they have big egos?
Rob1742 Posted 5 January 2014 Posted 5 January 2014 Tiger - the players are looking to secure their future, just like anyone would if you would be unemployed within 6 months. They are only trying to do what everybody would in their situation. Also footballers do not mean big egos. Some yes, some not. Just like in every walk of life
volpeazzurro Posted 5 January 2014 Posted 5 January 2014 This is a bit of a concern to be honest. Footballers quite rightly look after themselves and the Wes interview the other day was a bit of a worry. I am sure Billy Davies would like to upset our promotion push by dangling a few carrots his way. One thing is for sure that outside of our best 14 or so players we do not have any depth or decent cover including the youth team. Forest have more depth than us as do QPR, Blackburn. Bolton do too but I think they are too far back. King Power inc. have been quiet but I dont thing they are stupid and will know that they have a great chance of their Premiership holy grail so I hope they see the issue and resolve it somehow with half a dozen contract deals with a big incentive bonus payout if we get promoted. I think the depth of our squad is a match for anyone this year with perhaps the exception of QPR. All teams seem to be in a similar boat this year re contracts etc and the only one who appears to be whining a bit with us is Morgan. Should any of them need an incentive to strive for the Premiership then arguably there not the sort of players we want to keep anyway. Most local government and many other workers in the real world are, due to the current situation, on 'one year' contracts with families to support on wages not much higher than the minimum wage. They probably don't get to hear their fate until perhaps a month before their contracts expire, so my heart doesn't actually bleed for players like Morgan. He's been good this year but not that good. He was decidedly not up to the pace for most of the first half against Man City (I know they are exceptional), so he perhaps wouldn't be the towering figure in the Premiership that he is now. If we didn't renew his contract do you honestly think he'd be out of work for long? We are one of the best chances he'll ever get to play in the big time at his age so he shouldn't need any more incentive than that. If he does, then just sod off mate, Leicester City doesn't need you that much!
Gazza M Posted 5 January 2014 Posted 5 January 2014 This is clearly the biggest financial situation the club has had since it was in administration back in the Adams era. Quite daunting when you see the players names in the long list above and obviously Nigel Pearson is added to the list too. For me, the club needs to be getting people out the door still on loan or permanant to ease the wage bill. Disapointed Danns/Whitbread couldn't be sold for a fee really. Hope that Waghorn can move out permanantly and possibly St ledger on loan somewhere until the end of the season when fit. I don't believe there will be a contract signed until January has gone. I think there may be one sacrifice of the bigger players to go this month to again boost the financial situation and that could be Paul Konchesky for a fee somewhere, with maybe a loanee in to replace him. As soon as January has gone, I would give contract extensions to Morgan, Kasper, Nugent and Dyer with rises if promoted. I would then also sign Pearson up for another two and a half years, with a rise in salary if promoted. The remainder still have to prove their worth and I wouldn't decide on their situations until the season has finished.
Stan Posted 5 January 2014 Posted 5 January 2014 This is a bit of a concern to be honest. Footballers quite rightly look after themselves and the Wes interview the other day was a bit of a worry. I am sure Billy Davies would like to upset our promotion push by dangling a few carrots his way. One thing is for sure that outside of our best 14 or so players we do not have any depth or decent cover including the youth team. Forest have more depth than us as do QPR, Blackburn. Bolton do too but I think they are too far back. King Power inc. have been quiet but I dont thing they are stupid and will know that they have a great chance of their Premiership holy grail so I hope they see the issue and resolve it somehow with half a dozen contract deals with a big incentive bonus payout if we get promoted. I really don't understand the panic. There are over 250 Championship players in exactly the same situation. As leaders of the pack at the moment, and with debt cleared, we arguably in a very strong position on this issue.
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