Bayfox Posted 4 January 2014 Posted 4 January 2014 I get this, but surely, if we get promoted with these players and get better ones, a championship team would want them? Actually, I know they would. And if we lose wes, kasper, dyer, nugent because we don't want to commit to contracts. How much money would we have to spend on transfer fees for BETTER players? Them fees would probably eclipse all there contracts after we let them go or free. Chuck in the equation that we got bids on kasper and wes 6 months ago for a combined £4m, it makes it very hard to swallow. I understand that but kasper is the only one I can see moving abroad so he's the only one we are potentially risking having his head turned before the end of the season. ok a few maybe unsettled. But they are not gonna get better money elsewhere at the minute. time to get their heads down and win promotion. Then see what that leads too. if we dont get up I bet our reduced terms are still better than most. But if the owners let pearson leave who says the new man wants nugent, dyer, etc. I think we may have lost kasper anyway and wes will only stay on his terms.
pleatout Posted 4 January 2014 Posted 4 January 2014 Surprised we haven't offered our key players contracts along the lines of: (a) if we get promoted they get a rise of X% on what they're currently on; (b) if we don't go up, the player can stay but on X% less than what they're currently on (FFP); and © if we don't go up, the player can walk away if he thinks he can get more than the number in (b). End of the day, you can have a contract say whatever you want and getting them signed up on conditions gives safety to the club and the player that they're wanted. My understanding from the Bosman rules is that if a player is offered a contract on less than current terms they automatically become a free agent. They can move for free or resign on the reduced terms. So offering a contract now on lower terms essentially the same as waiting until the summer. Players can't leave before the summer so it seems to me that the club has realised: Promotion - may want some but not all of those out of contract. They will make some offers but they may get better value from bringing new players in. Wes et al just become players in a pool of free agents or transfers that are available. Still in championship - players have to choose if they want to stay for less money. BUT will they get a better deal elsewhere? No wonder they want the contracts sorted and the club doesn't. The only financial losers in this are going to be the players.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 4 January 2014 Posted 4 January 2014 You'd have thought that players performing so well in successful team would have sufficient confidence in their own abilty to know they'll easily get a new contract at the end of the season either with lcfc or some other championship team. Of course it wont be as lucrative as their current one unless it's with a pl team. So they should knuckle down, get us promoted and show all prospective employers how valuable they are. A promotion on their cv wnt do themany harm either. Absolutely right. We don't want any complacency coming into the side at this stage. The players are employees, and as such need to work hard for a new contract, as do others in life.
Haydos Posted 4 January 2014 Posted 4 January 2014 Bit unprofessional of Wes to come out with this publicly Is it? He must be getting pretty frustrated along with other players in the same situation. He's been asked by someone and he's answered honestly. Why should he be made to shut up about it? It's a fair thing to talk about.
Haydos Posted 4 January 2014 Posted 4 January 2014 Surprised we haven't offered our key players contracts along the lines of: (a) if we get promoted they get a rise of X% on what they're currently on; (b) if we don't go up, the player can stay but on X% less than what they're currently on (FFP); and © if we don't go up, the player can walk away if he thinks he can get more than the number in (b). End of the day, you can have a contract say whatever you want and getting them signed up on conditions gives safety to the club and the player that they're wanted. Because some players might not want to stay if we don't go up?
Strokes Posted 4 January 2014 Posted 4 January 2014 A footballers career isnt over when they retire from playing, they just have to develop themselves. Coaching, management, scouting, media (chris kamara gets loads of work and he is a lunatic) and after dinner speeches. Im not sure why you think we owe them anything, if we get promoted he gets offered a contract, probably around what he is currently getting, if we dont the contract offered will be a smaller one, if he can get better he will leave, if he cant he will accept and adjust his lifestyle accordingly. Its not much of a story really.
Stadt Posted 4 January 2014 Posted 4 January 2014 Surely the players know that they aren't going to be able to command the same wage that they are on elsewhere because of FFP? Say Nugent for example is on 20k but if he were to leave the biggest wage that was offered would be at most 15k, so rather than leave and get 15k you could stay and get the same pay packet here and play in a higher division.
_Fatboyslow_ Posted 4 January 2014 Posted 4 January 2014 My understanding from the Bosman rules is that if a player is offered a contract on less than current terms they automatically become a free agent. They can move for free or resign on the reduced terms. . If ture then it's easy to see why, but it makes you wonder about the knowledge some of the journos have. Scaremongering trolls
Benji Posted 4 January 2014 Posted 4 January 2014 Because some players might not want to stay if we don't go up? Option c with or without the money cap?
J.Lisemore Posted 4 January 2014 Posted 4 January 2014 Honestly, have a word with yourself. If you were paid well, and did better than expected, would YOU want to take a paycut? If we get promoted we get better players, if we stay down, we can't afford his wages. What message does that give to wes? Our captain? He is 30 years old and has about 3 years left and has to provide for a family for the rest of his life. Not likely to get a decent job after is he? Give the guy a break, it's a job and he wants security and to be paid in line with the best defenders in the league. If he doesn't get a contract, think of what he will have to do, move house etc, schools for his kids etc. this talk about it being selfish is just plain deluded. He has earned his contract, not to even talk about it to him is downright disrespectful from leicester. I'd probably be made redundant like a lot of people mate. If we go up then yes, of course he'll get a new contract on the same wages he's on now. But for the time-being, its time to shut up and crack on with what he's paid to do, help us get promoted. Its a demanding job to play for Leicester City at the minute, but that's the reality...if your on wages that your company can't afford to pay anymore, THATS LIFE.
MooseBreath Posted 4 January 2014 Posted 4 January 2014 Club captains should be dodging questions like that, no question about it. For me the club is doing the right thing. The worst that can happen is that we fail to get promotion and the players find a better contract elsewhere. Not sure how likely that is to happen since none of them are going to a premiership club, and not many if any championship clubs are going to be able to offer them better deals than we can. Besides if they fail to achieve promotion from this point then maybe it would be time to freshen up the squad anyway. It's all well and good Wes saying he needs to think about how he is going to keep his family in Bentley's and Rolex's, but the club needs to think about its position in what are still very precarious financial times. In that respect I know exactly where my loyalties lie. We and the owners have witnessed the damage which can be done by dishing out stupid contracts all over the shop so it's no surprise that they are now being much more cautious, and I'm fully behind them.
Bluetintedspecs Posted 4 January 2014 Posted 4 January 2014 I don't get the fuss. Those players whose deals are due to expire (with the possible exception of Dyer) are on very good money for this level, money which realistically no club can afford anymore so the chances of them being 'poached' by Championship rivals is slim to non. The only Premiership sides likely to be interested would be those destined to return to the Championship so any player jumping ship is gambling on City not going up and those in the Prem staying up. As a club we cannot lose, let the contracts run down and if we fail to gain promotion we can offer vastly reduced terms or release them OR let the contracts run down, gain promotion and renew some deals. The players cannot really lose, gain promotion and they more than likely be offered a deal by us (or a competing deal by a relegated side with parachute payments), choke and they are unlikely to be offered a deal by us on the same terms and unlikely to be offered the same terms by a relegated side (as they choked) so the big incentive is to gain promotion and a new contract. Lets not forget we are also quite an attractive proposition for any average player, billionaire owners and a relatively big fish in a small pool so moving away isn't the wisest career move. Totally agree Mike and pretty much what I've said in previous threads. I am actually finding it very refreshing how FFP has totally tipped the balance of power away from Players and Agents. I say stop fookin moaning roll yor sleeves up and and earn a contract here or elsewhere.
LCFC FOX Posted 4 January 2014 Posted 4 January 2014 Said it before and will say it again. As soon as Pearson is signed up players will be offered contracts IMO.
davieG Posted 4 January 2014 Posted 4 January 2014 If you were employed by a 'normal' business as a Project Manager on a 3 year contract to deliver that project then you'd stick it out to the end ensuring that what you were paid for you achieve and knowing that if you achieve it you're more likely to be retained to deliver another project or you'll find it easier to get a new contract elsewhere. Yes you might start looking around for alternatives but you certainly wouldn't be bleating about it. I really don't see why we should be concerned about whether the likes of Wes can maintain the luxury life style we've given him for the last for years any more than any other person in a contractual employment. The size of his remuneration like most other project leaders is considerable higher (compensation for a contract type role) than those in normal employment whose job is no more safe than a contract worker.
Viva Posted 4 January 2014 Posted 4 January 2014 What has he earned at forest for 10 years? 10k a week? Minus 40% tax I believe. So about 520 weeks of 6k. Around £3m for his whole career? Not that much more than an average person. Edit: maybe it is but it's not what people think they earn. Granted its over a short period, and we can go into morals of a footballer but when all is said and done, Leicester cannot complain if he leaves regardless of what happens because we ask for player loyalty, but we have shown ZERO loyalty to players that are at the minute getting us promoted. And will we if we do? I doubt it. We all have a go at players, but clubs are the most unloyal part of football. About £2m more than what the average person would earn in their life (based on average salary of £26,500). In such a short space of time as well, so the mortgage on a very decent house should have already been well paid off and there should be a large reserve of cash saved in the bank.
reynard Posted 4 January 2014 Posted 4 January 2014 Honestly, have a word with yourself. If you were paid well, and did better than expected, would YOU want to take a paycut? If we get promoted we get better players, if we stay down, we can't afford his wages. What message does that give to wes? Our captain? He is 30 years old and has about 3 years left and has to provide for a family for the rest of his life. Not likely to get a decent job after is he? Give the guy a break, it's a job and he wants security and to be paid in line with the best defenders in the league. If he doesn't get a contract, think of what he will have to do, move house etc, schools for his kids etc. this talk about it being selfish is just plain deluded. He has earned his contract, not to even talk about it to him is downright disrespectful from leicester. Sadly people in the "real" world are and have been performing better than expected and have had to take pay cuts just to keep their jobs. Yes I realise this is football but I'm sorry to inform these guys that a big dose of reality is about to hit home. If and yes it is a big if FFP is to be properly implemented then players in the football league and their greedy agents are going to have to realise that just like in the real economy they are not going to get such good terms. Perhaps they will have to have smaller cars or cheaper houses etc etc. As for providing for their families if their agents are going their job properly then all their earnings in a year are probably more than most of us will earn in a lifetime and they should be investing wisely so I don't have much sympathy with them I'm afraid. Today was a classic lesson in illustrating how far from premier league standard a great many of our players are. The club is a business and needs to act like one. If that means less money for players and agents and more uncertainty over contracts then I'm afraid we as supporters and they as players need to get use to this.
MooseBreath Posted 4 January 2014 Posted 4 January 2014 About £2m more than what the average person would earn in their life (based on average salary of £26,500). In such a short space of time as well, so the mortgage on a very decent house should have already been well paid off and there should be a large reserve of cash saved in the bank. Or more likely he's got a couple of million sitting with a top-notch financial management firm who will easily be able to guarantee him 4% income from it forever without even dipping into the capital. That gives him at least £80k a year from a £2m lump sum rising with inflation for the rest of his life with no mortgage to pay off. What a chilling prospect that must be.
Matt Posted 4 January 2014 Posted 4 January 2014 If you were employed by a 'normal' business as a Project Manager on a 3 year contract to deliver that project then you'd stick it out to the end ensuring that what you were paid for you achieve and knowing that if you achieve it you're more likely to be retained to deliver another project or you'll find it easier to get a new contract elsewhere. Yes you might start looking around for alternatives but you certainly wouldn't be bleating about it. I really don't see why we should be concerned about whether the likes of Wes can maintain the luxury life style we've given him for the last for years any more than any other person in a contractual employment. The size of his remuneration like most other project leaders is considerable higher (compensation for a contract type role) than those in normal employment whose job is no more safe than a contract worker. Exactly. At a previous company I was unhappy, I was looking to move elsewhere, but I told no-one, I told no-one I was looking elsewhere and I told no-one I was unhappy at the company. Although I doubt anyone would be interested, I didn't put anything on shitter, or facebook and I certainly wouldn't have gone to the media - not that the media would have been interested in my situation. I just wouldn't do it and I don't see why these players are doing it.
Buzzell Posted 4 January 2014 Posted 4 January 2014 Can someone name all the players out of contract at the end of the season?
Jace Posted 4 January 2014 Posted 4 January 2014 Probably shitting it that he will have to return to Forest on his old wages unlucky
Langston Posted 4 January 2014 Posted 4 January 2014 Wes Morgan can f**k off any player that wants to go, can all f**K off, no matter how good they are. your username is steeped in irony
LCFC FOX Posted 4 January 2014 Posted 4 January 2014 Can someone name all the players out of contract at the end of the season?KasperMorgan Wasyl Konch SSL Whitbread Danns Dyer Waghorn Nugent GTF
Jace Posted 4 January 2014 Posted 4 January 2014 Lets not forget we are not the only club in this situation several of the other Championship teams will have big money players looking for new contracts
Buzzell Posted 4 January 2014 Posted 4 January 2014 Kasper Morgan Wasyl Konch SSL Whitbread Danns Dyer Waghorn Nugent GTF Well looking at that list, and presuming we get promoted, I would say there's 5 names on there that you would expect to be offered new contracts. Question is that if we don't get promoted do we offer them all contracts? Suppose it all depends on where we're at at the end of the season.
cityfanlee23 Posted 4 January 2014 Posted 4 January 2014 The club will be well aware of this situation, but there's nothing we as fans can do other than be patient and observe events to unfold. Even though we're in top spot in the league, things can change quickly in the Championship and I can only guess the management team wants more reassurance that we're still competing for promotion in the next four to eight weeks. It'll all come good. Everytime one of those players get the ball, we start singing "Sign him up"
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