Buzzell Posted 17 February 2014 Posted 17 February 2014 The potential signing of Lescott to me would be a sensible one. Calculated risk, bags of experience and would be very capable for us. With his £80k+ wages?
Happy Fox Posted 17 February 2014 Posted 17 February 2014 You don't half talk some guff. The Thais are realistic and i'm sure would be delighted just to stay up in our first season. The gulf between the Championship and Premier League is massive so avoiding relegation and the chance to build from there would be seen as a successful first season. Certainly not the bottom half. By starters I meant within the next couple of seasons., anyway lets f**king get promotion before we can worry about the semantics of where we could finish etc.
Hack Posted 17 February 2014 Posted 17 February 2014 Biggest issue for Lescott in joining us or any club like us is the amount of his wages. He has been on an incredible out at man City (aren't they all). we would not be able to match or get close to enough to entice him. Look for a Liverpool or someone like that to bring him in. His wag bill would cause big problems for us in more ways than one. newly promoted teams do not spend of 50k per week on players just in case they don't stay up.
Donut Posted 17 February 2014 Posted 17 February 2014 With his £80k+ wages? Hes taking a wage cut wherever he goes
Captain... Posted 17 February 2014 Posted 17 February 2014 With his £80k+ wages? Free transfer means that the wages are largely irrelevant, comes out at 4million a year, one year contract, would you pay a 4 million fee for Lescott (we paid 5 for Mills FFS) if he said he would play for free for a year? It is the same amount. Biggest issue for Lescott in joining us or any club like us is the amount of his wages. He has been on an incredible out at man City (aren't they all). we would not be able to match or get close to enough to entice him. Look for a Liverpool or someone like that to bring him in. His wag bill would cause big problems for us in more ways than one. newly promoted teams do not spend of 50k per week on players just in case they don't stay up. Newly promoted teams have spent £8M on Caulker + wages, £3M on Mariappa + wages, £2.5M on Curtis Davies + wages. If we take an estimate of 30K a week in wages, that is another 1.5M. A one year deal for Lescott on those wages would cost less than Caulker, Mariappa or Davies and wouldn't tie us to an expensive long term contract in case of relegation, he would be a massive asset if he is anything like the player he was a couple of years ago. Any newly promoted team would jump at the chance to get him on a free and any newly promoted team can afford it with the new bumper TV package. The only issue is if he would go to a newly promoted club for one year and whether the money he and other new signings would be on becomes an issue in the dressing room.
Buzzell Posted 17 February 2014 Posted 17 February 2014 Whether it's a free transfer or not it's still ALOT of money being spent on one player. I can't see us offering players that sort of money. Plus couldn't see him even looking at us tbh, there will be plenty of established Prem clubs looking at him.
Captain... Posted 17 February 2014 Posted 17 February 2014 Whether it's a free transfer or not it's still ALOT of money being spent on one player. I can't see us offering players that sort of money. Plus couldn't see him even looking at us tbh, there will be plenty of established Prem clubs looking at him. Newly promoted clubs have A LOT of money to spend on transfers, that is the reason why Cardiff, Palace and Hull have all spent over £25M on players this season and all 3 have brought in over a full team of players since promotion. £63M in TV and prize money, minimum for finishing bottom of the premierleague + £60M in parachute payments. Assuming we are within FFP our current squad is paid for by our revnue in the Championship, we have no debts, we will clear out some of the deadwood, which means we can use that entire £60M to strengthen the squad and not go into the red £4-5M for a year of Lescott is less than a 10th of that budget. There will be plenty of prem clubs looking at him, but as the article says, he would arguably be better off at Leicester, whether we could attract Lescott I don't know, but if we wanted him and it came down to money on a prem budget it wouldn't be an issue.
Oxfordfox83 Posted 17 February 2014 Posted 17 February 2014 Think he'll go to United. They have a major squad overhaul to do, and to bring in someone experienced to take the place of Vidic (and Grandpappy Ferdinand) would be useful. They won't want to spend a lot as they have to buy 6 new midfielders, and Moyes has got the best out of him before. Would have him, but think he and the club would consider it unambitious...
Tielemans63 Posted 17 February 2014 Posted 17 February 2014 I can't believe people have actually convinced themselves that this might happen.
blueonyou Posted 17 February 2014 Posted 17 February 2014 I can't believe people have actually convinced themselves that this might happen. Agreed, it's all well and good debating possibilities, but seriously, to the outsider we sound like knobs to say the least. How many games are left and we're talking about being in the prem siging Lescott? really? Getting a little too over-excited!
deep blue Posted 17 February 2014 Posted 17 February 2014 Free transfer means that the wages are largely irrelevant, comes out at 4million a year, one year contract, would you pay a 4 million fee for Lescott (we paid 5 for Mills FFS) if he said he would play for free for a year? It is the same amount. Newly promoted teams have spent £8M on Caulker + wages, £3M on Mariappa + wages, £2.5M on Curtis Davies + wages. If we take an estimate of 30K a week in wages, that is another 1.5M. A one year deal for Lescott on those wages would cost less than Caulker, Mariappa or Davies and wouldn't tie us to an expensive long term contract in case of relegation, he would be a massive asset if he is anything like the player he was a couple of years ago. Any newly promoted team would jump at the chance to get him on a free and any newly promoted team can afford it with the new bumper TV package. The only issue is if he would go to a newly promoted club for one year and whether the money he and other new signings would be on becomes an issue in the dressing room. I could imagine that being a VERY important issue for us.
Donut Posted 17 February 2014 Posted 17 February 2014 I could imagine that being a VERY important issue for us. I dont. The dressing room would be fvcking delighted to have a player of the calibre of Lescott at the club
Hungry Hungry Fox Posted 17 February 2014 Posted 17 February 2014 I'm surprised this thread is now on its 2nd page I think some people will be in for a disappointment transfer wise, if we get promoted
GingerrrFox Posted 17 February 2014 Posted 17 February 2014 Most of you try and make it sound so simple. Bring in 5+ "Premiership standard players" on big wages and we will be sweet. Have you even contemplated how that would effect changing room dynamics? Hypothetically say we go up and sign Lescott, we give him a sign on fee of around £1 million and give him wages of £70,000 because don't forget we've got the money to do that with the figure of around £60 million for promotion. Either Moore or Morgan find themselves on the bench on a weekly salary of less than half of Lescott's wage. But hang on a minute, we were an integral part of this team last season. We played some of the best football of our career to get this club promoted and now I'm replaced by someone who just waltzes in and takes my spot and gets more than double what I'm on. **** this, I want out. It's what happened under Sven, factions started to develop between the players on big money and the rest of the squad who were left over from Pearson/Sousa. It's literally team morale suicide. You can't suddenly go from being a Championship club with Championship wages to paying new players big money. It has to be a slow progression and you have to change the team dynamics slowly. Otherwise you've ****ed the team spirit that got you up in the first place. Nigel will gradually develop and change the squad and integrate new players, if he doesn't he will end up like countless other managers that have been sacked when their team goes to pot in the Premiership and I'm pretty sure he's smart enough to know this.
KFS Posted 17 February 2014 Posted 17 February 2014 Most of you try and make it sound so simple. Bring in 5+ "Premiership standard players" on big wages and we will be sweet. Have you even contemplated how that would effect changing room dynamics? Hypothetically say we go up and sign Lescott, we give him a sign on fee of around £1 million and give him wages of £70,000 because don't forget we've got the money to do that with the figure of around £60 million for promotion. Either Moore or Morgan find themselves on the bench on a weekly salary of less than half of Lescott's wage. But hang on a minute, we were an integral part of this team last season. We played some of the best football of our career to get this club promoted and now I'm replaced by someone who just waltzes in and takes my spot and gets more than double what I'm on. **** this, I want out. It's what happened under Sven, factions started to develop between the players on big money and the rest of the squad who were left over from Pearson/Sousa. It's literally team morale suicide. You can't suddenly go from being a Championship club with Championship wages to paying new players big money. It has to be a slow progression and you have to change the team dynamics slowly. Otherwise you've ****ed the team spirit that got you up in the first place. Nigel will gradually develop and change the squad and integrate new players, if he doesn't he will end up like countless other managers that have been sacked when their team goes to pot in the Premiership and I'm pretty sure he's smart enough to know this. Spot on mate.
Donut Posted 17 February 2014 Posted 17 February 2014 Top quality players dont fvck your team dynamics. If you can improve the team, you do it. If a player as good as that is available, and wants to come here, he would improve the team considerably. Signing a load of random shit like QPR and Holloway did at Palace does.
Captain... Posted 18 February 2014 Posted 18 February 2014 Most of you try and make it sound so simple. Bring in 5+ "Premiership standard players" on big wages and we will be sweet. Have you even contemplated how that would effect changing room dynamics? Hypothetically say we go up and sign Lescott, we give him a sign on fee of around £1 million and give him wages of £70,000 because don't forget we've got the money to do that with the figure of around £60 million for promotion. Either Moore or Morgan find themselves on the bench on a weekly salary of less than half of Lescott's wage. But hang on a minute, we were an integral part of this team last season. We played some of the best football of our career to get this club promoted and now I'm replaced by someone who just waltzes in and takes my spot and gets more than double what I'm on. **** this, I want out. It's what happened under Sven, factions started to develop between the players on big money and the rest of the squad who were left over from Pearson/Sousa. It's literally team morale suicide. You can't suddenly go from being a Championship club with Championship wages to paying new players big money. It has to be a slow progression and you have to change the team dynamics slowly. Otherwise you've ****ed the team spirit that got you up in the first place. Nigel will gradually develop and change the squad and integrate new players, if he doesn't he will end up like countless other managers that have been sacked when their team goes to pot in the Premiership and I'm pretty sure he's smart enough to know this. You are right, it is not simple, far from it, but if we get promoted we won't have time to gradually integrate changes, we will have one season to not get relegated and we will have £60M to help achieve that. We will need to add to the squad and we will need to add quality, we can't get in a James or Vardy or De Laet that needed a season to find their best form. I've said this before, that if we get promoted it will be the most important transfer window of NP's career, he has never had a budget even remotely like £60M and we are a big draw in the Championship, in the prem we will be competing for targets with other prem clubs, and if we aren't willing to pay prem wages, you can guarantee QPR or Forest or whoever else comes up will. Every club, player we go after, and their agent, will know we have an extra £60M to spend. Cardiff paid £8.5M for Steven Caulker?!?!?! Hopefully having a DoF will help, as NP will have assitance, just look at Palace in how to fvck it up, or Cardiff. Swansea, Southampton, Norwich have all been promotion success stories, but they still spent a lot and brought in a lot of players. That is the reality of it, to improve our squad we will need quality and we will need to pay for it, how NP and the DoF manage this will be as big a test of their credentials as anything on the pitch.
Out Foxed Posted 18 February 2014 Posted 18 February 2014 I'm surprised this thread is now on its 2nd page I think some people will be in for a disappointment transfer wise, if we get promoted
jonthefox Posted 18 February 2014 Posted 18 February 2014 He's on £85000 a week........ Close thread This. I was going to say, Have we learnt nothing .
MC Prussian Posted 18 February 2014 Posted 18 February 2014 The general question is whether "high-profile" signings really help to improve the current team. Wages and the wage difference (compared to the more established players on Championship wages) are one obstacle. Secondly, does the new guy fit in personality-wise? Can he commit to the cause? How long will it take for him to blend in? It's a fine line with those transfers and we should all know better how blinded we were when the £££ were splashed out left and right only a few seasons ago. As for Joleon Lescott - personally, I think we should look elsewhere. I'd rather sign two good and promising players at half the price each.
volpeazzurro Posted 18 February 2014 Posted 18 February 2014 Think he'll go to United. They have a major squad overhaul to do, and to bring in someone experienced to take the place of Vidic (and Grandpappy Ferdinand) would be useful. They won't want to spend a lot as they have to buy 6 new midfielders, and Moyes has got the best out of him before. Would have him, but think he and the club would consider it unambitious... Nowhere near up to what United would aspire to get in for their overhaul, he's hardly a spring chicken himself. He only gets a game for City when their really desperate, in fact they more than often persist with the young Greek fella despite his frequent mistakes! There's a reason he's not playing, he's not what he was, nowhere near. He's certainly doesn't come into Roy Hodgeson's reckoning according to the press and there's a very good reason for that, he's sadly on the downwards spiral. When I watched him against us in a strong Man City side he shone out like a beacon as being a gaping weak link, so poor in fact it quite shocked me. Experience is a great thing if still able to contribute something on the field of play and Lescott sadly now contributes very little. Morgan, for all his good points is going to be a bit cumbersome at times if we get promoted, we don't need two CB's the same. Whilst John Terry (just an example) has never been quick, his reading of the game, even now, is far superior to Lescott's who's often found out of position this year hence his lack of appearances. Would be a poor aquisition for less than half the wages he's supposedly on imo.
Captain... Posted 18 February 2014 Posted 18 February 2014 The general question is whether "high-profile" signings really help to improve the current team. Wages and the wage difference (compared to the more established players on Championship wages) are one obstacle. Secondly, does the new guy fit in personality-wise? Can he commit to the cause? How long will it take for him to blend in? It's a fine line with those transfers and we should all know better how blinded we were when the £££ were splashed out left and right only a few seasons ago. As for Joleon Lescott - personally, I think we should look elsewhere. I'd rather sign two good and promising players at half the price each. I don't know how NP would approach a prem transfer window, but picking up very experienced prem players for free would certainly not surprise me. If we are taking Lescott as the theoretical example, attitude wise I don't think there would be a problem, he is a good pro who has played his way to the top and would be great in terms of experience. Whether he would be committed or be like Keown was and looking for a final payday I don't know. NP would know by talking to him, he isn't that high profile, we're not talking picking up Terry or Vidic. But for a one year deal it would be risk free, we get relegated we aren't tied into a big contract. He won't need time to settle in and will be a leader on the pitch, no disrespect to Moore, but if he isn't better than Moore then something has gone seriously wrong for him in the last year. As for Moore he would get his games, but imagine how much he would develop playing and training around Lescott, then the following season he would be able to step up easily. The difference between being in the Prem and splashing the cash under Sven is that the money we would spend would be ours by right of getting promoted, rather than being bank rolled by our owners. £60M would get us 2 or 3 experienced pros on free contracts and high wages as well as 2 or 3 good and promising players like Trippier and there still be plenty left over. I really don't think people get what it means to be promoted, this season is the first season under the new TV deal, last season the bottom club got around £30M, this season it will be £63M. It is a ridiculous amount of money. Really really crazy money. Paying 85k in wages for one player is well within budget, £4.5M (85k*52) is 7% of that budget.
TJB-fox Posted 18 February 2014 Posted 18 February 2014 I think if we do go up, we are lucky to have Walsh Shakey and NP, who I fully trust to bring in the right players, the right numher of players, on the correct wages
cityfanlee23 Posted 18 February 2014 Posted 18 February 2014 Been on the pitch 20 mins and been horrific tonight... Against Barcelona but doesn't look remotely interested
volpeazzurro Posted 18 February 2014 Posted 18 February 2014 Good shout. Yes, Caulker at his age can improve and should do, Lescott is going quicker down the hill than a mud slide down South.
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