Guest MattP Posted 21 October 2014 Posted 21 October 2014 Ukip does deal with far-right, racist Holocaust-denier to save EU funding The agreement with the Polish Congress of the New Right will save Nigel Farage’s European parliament grouping http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/oct/20/ukip-does-deal-with-far-right-to-save-european-grouping Just so we all understand what Farage will do for power. This is where the media inconsistency really pisses me off. He's joined the group as an individual and not part of a party, they only need a new member as the dark forces at the top of the EU were trying to dismantle the EFD group as they have done with every single eurosceptic group at some point. Have you seen the Croatian group Labour are in with and their view on homosexuals? Seen the some of the right wing groups the Tories have linked up with? Why does only UKIP have to answer to this? The whole reason they introduced these silly rulings of needing 40 MEP's from 7 different countries to allow a group to get funding and even have a proper voice on the floor was to try and stop anyone who had anything bad to say about the project being allowed to speak. That's the real story here, not Farage needing to rope in an independant to allow him to represent the millions of people who wanted his party to be the Britsh majority in the EU, but again the people who are in power in this hideous thing trying to silence anyone who dare speak out against it.
Alf Bentley Posted 21 October 2014 Posted 21 October 2014 I've always liked Ken Clarke as well, shame he's so pro EU he'd have made a great PM. To be fair to Mrs T she got 42/43% of the vote. It wasn't just the splitting of the left wing vote why she got in. True, the Tories would still have won in 1983 for various reasons (Labour in disarray, memories of Winter of Discontent, council house sales, Falklands etc.), but 42/43% of the vote wouldn't normally have won them a majority of anything like 144 seats without the Lab/SDP split, even if no party is likely to get anywhere close to 42% this time. Surprising to see that, in total, the Tories actually got 700,000 fewer votes in 1983 than in 1979, according to Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_election,_1983 Just checked the 1979 data, and in 1979 the Tories only got a majority of 44, despite winning a higher share of the votes (43.9%): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_election,_1979 Just shows what an effect the Lab/SDP split had in terms of seats (together with other factors), despite the Tory vote actually falling....hopefully the same will happen in 2015, just the other way round!
fleckneymike Posted 21 October 2014 Posted 21 October 2014 Ken Clarke is one of the politicians who you can't help but like. I'm a Labour voter but I've always like Clarke.
lavrentis Posted 21 October 2014 Posted 21 October 2014 Ken Clarke is one of the politicians who you can't help but like. I'm a Labour voter but I've always like Clarke. Seriously ? He's one of the most dislikeable politicians out there
Fox92 Posted 21 October 2014 Posted 21 October 2014 Boris Johnson would be the best Tory PM Nah, he just acts like an idiot on purpose.
Strokes Posted 21 October 2014 Posted 21 October 2014 I do like Ken Clarke although I dont agree with him on the EU, he is a very clever guy. This UKIP bigot/racist/xenophobe/homophobe/or whatever other IST or phobe you want to attach is becoming tiresome. All this mudslinging is just evidence of how nervous they are making the political elite. Long may that continue.
Rincewind Posted 21 October 2014 Posted 21 October 2014 Nah, he just acts like an idiot on purpose. Why would he do that? Does he think an idiot is more appealing to the electorate? Personally I would like to see a politician who connects with the voter, have empathy and understanding for those they represent not distance themselves from them and treat them like second rate citizens. But I expect that I am alone in thinking this and it is an old fashioned leftie POV and has no place in the Britain of 2014.
Guest MattP Posted 22 October 2014 Posted 22 October 2014 Maybe Clarke should defect to the Lib Dems? I don't dislike the guy but why he seeks to alienate his own voters sometimes baffles me, suppose he's not too fussed given he can pick up 50% of a vote.
Guest MattP Posted 22 October 2014 Posted 22 October 2014 Why would he do that? Does he think an idiot is more appealing to the electorate? Personally I would like to see a politician who connects with the voter, have empathy and understanding for those they represent not distance themselves from them and treat them like second rate citizens. But I expect that I am alone in thinking this and it is an old fashioned leftie POV and has no place in the Britain of 2014. How has he treated anyone like a second class citizen? He's clearly done a pretty good job so far, he's been relected down there and for a Tory to be able to achieve that in London is quite incredible given the demographics.
Rincewind Posted 22 October 2014 Posted 22 October 2014 I don't live in London. I was just asking why he would want to portray himself as a buffoon to win public support. You may be surprised at this but I quite like Michael Portillo-although he is no longer in politics -he always seems to speak well and appears quite liber. But this may be more to seeing the TV programmes he is on and the episode of Who Do You Think You Are. He came from a quite humble background a for a Tory.
eye666 Posted 22 October 2014 Posted 22 October 2014 Why would he do that? Does he think an idiot is more appealing to the electorate? Personally I would like to see a politician who connects with the voter, have empathy and understanding for those they represent not distance themselves from them and treat them like second rate citizens. But I expect that I am alone in thinking this and it is an old fashioned leftie POV and has no place in the Britain of 2014. Just to play Devil's Advocate, who is this homogeneous "voter"? Everyone will have their own outlooks on life dependent on their experiences. How a politician can have an understanding of what it's like to be a black disabled lesbian (to use an exaggerated example) is beyond me...
Rincewind Posted 22 October 2014 Posted 22 October 2014 True. Maybe empathy was a word too many. Or the wrong word. If Lord Freud had said a black or female did not deserve the minimum wage there would have been a greater outcry. And what wage does he think a disabled black female lesbian should be on if for a disabled person it is £2? Boris Johnson has come out with remarks about the working class which shows he does not connect with them. Like you say he is from a different background so cannot understand what it is like at the lower end but he can at least listen and think before speaking.
Jon the Hat Posted 22 October 2014 Posted 22 October 2014 True. Maybe empathy was a word too many. Or the wrong word. If Lord Freud had said a black or female did not deserve the minimum wage there would have been a greater outcry. And what wage does he think a disabled black female lesbian should be on if for a disabled person it is £2? Boris Johnson has come out with remarks about the working class which shows he does not connect with them. Like you say he is from a different background so cannot understand what it is like at the lower end but he can at least listen and think before speaking. Lord Freud didnt say that though, becuase your race or gender has little if any impact on your ability to do a job. Disability on the other hand can have a huge impact on that ability. Which is why it is called a disability. See? Companies need some kind of incentive to cover the additional costs of employing people with disabilities, which I think everyone agrees can be a very good thing.
Guest MattP Posted 22 October 2014 Posted 22 October 2014 Lord Freud doesn't think a disabled person should earn £2 an hour. I thought this had already been covered.
johnny the fox Posted 22 October 2014 Posted 22 October 2014 We will be outta here This is way I am voting UKIP..
Guest MattP Posted 22 October 2014 Posted 22 October 2014 Fantastic. You can see why that lot are willing to do anything to silence him. I haven't heard of Lord Hill either, sounds absolutely perfect for a big job in the EC though.
bovril Posted 22 October 2014 Posted 22 October 2014 If Mike blacks up for the video, the Guardian will explode. Lance Percival made a career out of singing in a Jafaican accent. The Beatles did it with Ob la di, ob la da. A lot of The Police/Sting's best stuff is done in reggae style. In fact, if the PC police are outraged by Mike Read, they should be just as outraged at the culturally mangled utterances of Tim Westwood or Pro Green. My problem is not with Mike Read doing a Caribbean accent. My problem is, it's shite. I wonder if the people who are 'offended' by the song are similarly offended by the compare the meerkat adverts or the Dolmio one where the puppets talka lika thisa.
Webbo Posted 22 October 2014 Posted 22 October 2014 I wonder if the people who are 'offended' by the song are similarly offended by the compare the meerkat adverts or the Dolmio one where the puppets talka lika thisa. It's not offensive it's just so crap it's laughable.
absolutelegend Posted 23 October 2014 Posted 23 October 2014 We will be outta here Love it! Find it hard to disagree with the chap on a lot of issues
Harry - LCFC Posted 23 October 2014 Posted 23 October 2014 This is way I am voting UKIP.. ..because their leader speaks well? Or is there more to it than that?
Strokes Posted 23 October 2014 Posted 23 October 2014 ..because their leader speaks well? Or is there more to it than that?Do you not think it might be the content, as much as the delivery?
Harry - LCFC Posted 23 October 2014 Posted 23 October 2014 Do you not think it might be the content, as much as the delivery? Quite possibly, but with the amount of people who seem to adore Farage simply for 'saying it how it is' you just don't know.
Webbo Posted 23 October 2014 Posted 23 October 2014 Quite possibly, but with the amount of people who seem to adore Farage simply for 'saying it how it is' you just don't know. I don't particularly like farage and I won't be voting UKIP but what he said was spot on.
Carl the Llama Posted 23 October 2014 Posted 23 October 2014 Love it! Find it hard to disagree with the chap on a lot of issues I hope you're aware that the "anti-democratic" Commissioners are appointed by the elected heads of state from each member country and subjected to an approval vote (presumably what's being discussed in the video) held by the elected MEPs from each country. Put simply it is the people who we as a public have elected to act on our behalf, acting on our behalf. Short of Europe-wide elections which would only really be faesible if Europe was a USA-style union it's the best approximation to democracy available.
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