But he was our top scorer last season.

[Matt]

Surprise surprise. Comes on for about 20 mins and guess who's first to pop up to criticise...

 

There is a reason for that.

 

His 'shot' was hilarious.

Still waiting for him to follow up on his "unfinished business" in the Prem comments.

 

I was fuming.

 

Nugent is terrified, that "shot" basically said "get this ****ing ball away from me".

 

Exactly, said it all.

 

I want him gone in January, unless we're right in the shit and look like we're probably going down - even if we go down it'd take consideration over whether we keep him or not for me.

 

Vardy wasn't at his best yesterday but if it was to swap him for Nugent, I'd have kept Vardy on the pitch all day long.

[Dr The Singh]

For a guy who has just bought a Ferrari his performances have been more Nissan Micra.

If I was as bad as he's been I wouldn't have bought a car like that - he'll be getting pelters everytime he steps out of it

That's unfair, Nissan Micra's are very good cars

[Dr The Singh]

Half of our starting line up aren't prem quality, January sales are going to be very important for us

[lcfcsnow]

He's only in it for the money. I suppose a lot of players are but I get the feeling he is more than most after trying to con us out of a 3 year deal all summer. I was distraught we settled for 2 in the end, that was a sign our recruitment had failed.

At least Dyer knew his limitations and got his 3 year deal albeit at a lower level, much respect for him.

[Monsell1976]

I think nugent is poor, but he's not on his own, we have a team of championship players.

The whole team barring mahrez look totally out of their depth in this league.

Yes most are young, or learning how to play in the premier league for the first time, but we cannot afford to be carrying so many players.

If the recruitment was right in the summer, experience or quality players would have been brought in, and nugent and vardy and the likes could have been introduced slowly.

The problem they have is they are all we have, and are expected to hit the ground running, and they are massively out of their depth, and look devoid of all confidence, and as with nugent, don't show any composure, and snatch at shots.

Bring in a decent striker, drop vardy to the bench, nugent in reserves, and in the mean time give wood a run of games, maybe even Lawrence, but stop persisting with players who cannot produce.

[ian_marshall]

I'm not so sure that both Nugent and Vardy don't have the quality to succeed in this league. For me personally I believe Pearson needs to start them together. I think that they compliment each other's game well and give opposition defenders very little time on the ball, which in turn allows us to play a higher line and close the gap between the midfield and the attack thus allowing us to create more chances as we are able to get our creative players in and around the box. More importantly they have a great understanding which any striker will tell you can make an average striker a decent striker. How many times have we seen consistent goalscoring strikers separated from their partner only to become absolute donkeys or seemingly average players playing with the right partner and being propelled to stardom? Given the fact that neither have started a game together this season playing in a 4-4-2 I think it's a little unfair that people are being so critical when the pairing that scored us a great number of goals last season haven't been given the opportunity to play together in the system that suits them best once.

Ulloa is part of the issue for me. Despite a great start he has contributed very little to the team. He doesn't seem to hold the ball up as well as someone like Pelle or Wickham, and isn't mobile enough to play the pressing game that we played last season. Yesterday was a prime example, Vardy looked unlike his usual self as he'd press the centre back simply to see the ball passed to the other centre back with no one closing down this man as Ulloa was just meandering out wide or in deep positions.

Don't get me wrong this isn't an attack on Ulloa as I think he has something to offer by giving us options for when we need to change, but I don't believe that he suits our primary style of play. I also think Pearson made the mistake of just putting him straight into the first team. In my opinion Nugent and Vardy should have started the season and Ulloa should have waited for his opportunity. I know people will say that without his goals we wouldn't be where we are but conversely aside from the price tag what had he actually done to warrant a start in the side and for Pearson to change our style of play given that statistically he was no better than our other strikers last season.

[Guest Col city fan]

I think nugent is poor, but he's not on his own, we have a team of championship players.

The whole team barring mahrez look totally out of their depth in this league.

Yes most are young, or learning how to play in the premier league for the first time, but we cannot afford to be carrying so many players.

If the recruitment was right in the summer, experience or quality players would have been brought in, and nugent and vardy and the likes could have been introduced slowly.

The problem they have is they are all we have, and are expected to hit the ground running, and they are massively out of their depth, and look devoid of all confidence, and as with nugent, don't show any composure, and snatch at shots.

Bring in a decent striker, drop vardy to the bench, nugent in reserves, and in the mean time give wood a run of games, maybe even Lawrence, but stop persisting with players who cannot produce.

Spot on...

[MC Prussian]

I think nugent is poor, but he's not on his own, we have a team of championship players.

The whole team barring mahrez look totally out of their depth in this league.

Yes most are young, or learning how to play in the premier league for the first time, but we cannot afford to be carrying so many players.

If the recruitment was right in the summer, experience or quality players would have been brought in, and nugent and vardy and the likes could have been introduced slowly.

The problem they have is they are all we have, and are expected to hit the ground running, and they are massively out of their depth, and look devoid of all confidence, and as with nugent, don't show any composure, and snatch at shots.

Bring in a decent striker, drop vardy to the bench, nugent in reserves, and in the mean time give wood a run of games, maybe even Lawrence, but stop persisting with players who cannot produce.

I bet you didn't say that after we embarrassed Manchester United 5-3.

 

They aren't poor players per se, but have somewhat lost touch with the grim reality of the Premier League and need to wake up soon.

I think defensively, we're looking pretty solid. Remember that they were all mostly Championship players for years, too.

 

So, it can't be that some of our strikers or midfielders simply aren't good enough. From my point of view, they are currently suffering from a bad case of bad form and it's up to them and the managerial team to motivate them and to give them some incentive.

 

Target practice is one thing, straight and quick shooting another. The amount of times we're trying to overcomplicate things up front is so annoying. We saw it what a quick shot can do when Cambiasso scored against Manchester United.

[Monsell1976]

I bet you didn't say that after we embarrassed Manchester United 5-3.

They aren't poor players per se, but have somewhat lost touch with the grim reality of the Premier League and need to wake up soon.

I think defensively, we're looking pretty solid. Remember that they were all mostly Championship players for years, too.

So, it can't be that some of our strikers or midfielders simply aren't good enough. From my point of view, they are currently suffering from a bad case of bad form and it's up to them and the managerial team to motivate them and to give them some incentive.

Target practice is one thing, straight and quick shooting another. The amount of times we're trying to overcomplicate things up front is so annoying. We saw it what a quick shot can do when Cambiasso scored against Manchester United.

Lower league teams get themselves up for cup games, and beat top clubs, but that doesn't make them top players.

Yes I enjoyed the Man U game, but they were all at sea at the time, and are slowly becoming a good side again.

Diference is we have a championship side, who on occasion can perform at this level, but cannot play to the standard week in, week out.

Wether it's pearsons negative tactics, and the players inferior ability, but we have proven that the some of the players are no where near good enough for this league, some would be squad players, but not to be relyed on to perform every week.

This have been proved by the lack of goals, disjointed play, and the amount of goals we let in/ give away.

We are carrying to many players, but it's not all doom and gloom, we saw a bit of a response yesterday, still lacked quality and composure, but if he drops some that are not performing and give those who could offer something, and have something to prove, add quality in the right places in January, we might be get lucky and stay up.

[MC Prussian]

Lower league teams get themselves up for cup games, and beat top clubs, but that doesn't make them top players.

Yes I enjoyed the Man U game, but they were all at sea at the time, and are slowly becoming a good side again.

Diference is we have a championship side, who on occasion can perform at this level, but cannot play to the standard week in, week out.

Wether it's pearsons negative tactics, and the players inferior ability, but we have proven that the some of the players are no where near good enough for this league, some would be squad players, but not to be relyed on to perform every week.

This have been proved by the lack of goals, disjointed play, and the amount of goals we let in/ give away.

We are carrying to many players, but it's not all doom and gloom, we saw a bit of a response yesterday, still lacked quality and composure, but if he drops some that are not performing and give those who could offer something, and have something to prove, add quality in the right places in January, we might be get lucky and stay up.

Like I've already mentioned, we don't seem to be conceding too many goals (and that with a "Championship defense") and are looking rather solid in that department - our main worries at the moment lie up front.

 

You're giving Manchester United credit for finding back to their winning ways after having troubles fitting all the new talent in - why can't you give a newly-promoted side with almost as many new faces the same appreciation?

 

Our players have proven to be good enough - it's being able to do that on a constant basis they're having troubles with. And this is where the manager and the coaching staff have some serious work to do.

[Monsell1976]

Like I've already mentioned, we don't seem to be conceding too many goals (and that with a "Championship defense") and are looking rather solid in that department - our main worries at the moment lie up front.

You're giving Manchester United credit for finding back to their winning ways after having troubles fitting all the new talent in - why can't you give a newly-promoted side with almost as many new faces the same appreciation?

Our players have proven to be good enough - it's being able to do that on a constant basis they're having troubles with. And this is where the manager and the coaching staff have some serious work to do.

The defence has improved since big Was has come in who is a experienced professional but prior to that we were leaking goals for fun, and were naive defensively and gifted many of those goals.

You say I give credit to Man U for improving, but in the summer they changed the manager and most of their team, we have had the stability people craved, the starting 11 is virtually the same as last season, but in the last half a dozen games we have played like a team that have never played together.

Your right we have had good results this season, which I believe was early season, and coming off the back of the confidence of last season, that confidence has long gone, and pearsons negative formations didn't help with that.

Your also right we need to find consistency, but that's the diference between a good premier league player, compared to a championship player.

It pains me to say it as I have followed city all my 38 years, but I would say half of our squad will not make the grade and look out of their depth, and the coaches can only teach so much, cannot teach composure and natural talent.

I'm not into singling out players but we are carrying to many, and that's the reason we cannot score or get the right results, nothing against them, just some players have a level, and no further, and we have a lot of them.

[Raj]

nugents"shot" when he had 2 players in better positions just about summed him up!!!

[Fox92]

Yeah but its a lose-lose situation because when players don't shoot they get criticised too.

[Raj]

shoot if you aint got another option.

That was just a nothing kick.

[MC Prussian]

The defence has improved since big Was has come in who is a experienced professional but prior to that we were leaking goals for fun, and were naive defensively and gifted many of those goals.

You say I give credit to Man U for improving, but in the summer they changed the manager and most of their team, we have had the stability people craved, the starting 11 is virtually the same as last season, but in the last half a dozen games we have played like a team that have never played together.

Your right we have had good results this season, which I believe was early season, and coming off the back of the confidence of last season, that confidence has long gone, and pearsons negative formations didn't help with that.

Your also right we need to find consistency, but that's the diference between a good premier league player, compared to a championship player.

It pains me to say it as I have followed city all my 38 years, but I would say half of our squad will not make the grade and look out of their depth, and the coaches can only teach so much, cannot teach composure and natural talent.

I'm not into singling out players but we are carrying to many, and that's the reason we cannot score or get the right results, nothing against them, just some players have a level, and no further, and we have a lot of them.

Wasilewski has played three games for us so far and may have improved the defense a bit - but even with Moore in the squad, apart from the three goals by Manchester United, we never conceded more than 2 in the nine games he featured: We got a draw against Everton and Arsenal, took three points from Stoke and lost by narrow margins against Newcastle as well as West Brom.

[Guest ttfn]

Yeah but its a lose-lose situation because when players don't shoot they get criticised too.

I can't imagine that anybody would have criticised him for not shooting there.

It was arguably rivalled for ineptitude by de Laet's lofted free kick into the arms of Pantillimon midway through the second half. I think it was the free kick we got from Cattermole's scissor tackle.

[Raj]

the 2 in the box didnt look too happy!!!!

[Monsell1976]

Wasilewski has played three games for us so far and may have improved the defense a bit - but even with Moore in the squad, apart from the three goals by Manchester United, we never conceded more than 2 in the nine games he featured: We got a draw against Everton and Arsenal, took three points from Stoke and lost by narrow margins against Newcastle as well as West Brom.

So are we good enough, we haven't scored in 500 odd minutes, and have had two clean sheets, season change, but in my opinion we haven't got enough quality.

What your saying is we need to score at least 1 goal a game for a draw, and at least 2 for a win, and our strikers are not good enough, as the last 500 minutes of football has shown.

You sound like Pearson going on about narrow margins, if we are good enough the narrow margins should go in our favour as well, but I've not seen many points for us with these margins.

Poor excuse, to excuse poor tactics and performances.

[MC Prussian]

So are we good enough, we haven't scored in 500 odd minutes, and have had two clean sheets, season changed, but in my opinion we haven't got enough quality.

What your saying is we need to score at least 1 goal a game for a draw, and at least 2 for a win, and our strikers are not good enough, as the last 500 minutes of football has shown.

You sound like Pearson going on about narrow margins, if we are good enough the narrow margins should go in our favour as well, but I've not seen many points for us with these margins.

Poor excuse, to excuse poor tactics and performances.

And they will.

 

People are getting on the manager's back not just because of the formation, but because the results can't come quick enough.

Of course, I'd have loved us to amass a lot more points at this stage of the season already myself.

But only the biggest fools would've insisted on wanting us to perform in the Premier League the way we did in the Championship.

Success grows organically, we've had in between three to four years to build for promotion.

Avoiding relegation is an entirely different chapter, even with the core group of players that we have.

If we had splashed the cash like crazy during the summer and got relegated, people would've criticized the manager for overspending.

 

I see this as a wise approach to see if things are working out with the squad that we have - I'd expect some shrewd additional transfers this January.

 

Also, my hope is that our defense to continue performing on a high level - in this case, one goal for a win will just fine for us.

[Charl91]

Put your money where your mouth is then.

 

£100 I'd be willing to put up,  £100 neither of them keep a fit unsuspended David Nugent out for a total of five Premeir League games or you can have three consecutive games instead if you want.

 

 

I'd bet you £10 that he doesn't score more than 5 goals from open play.

 

 

Moneys on the table.

 

 

I hope you're feeling lucky! 'Cus he hasn't scored one yet in the past 2 months.

[Grewks]

Surprise surprise. Comes on for about 20 mins and guess who's first to pop up to criticise...

 

 

And why the hell not?

 

 

Many of you on here criticized my view straight away, claiming he need time etc...

 

 

Last season he was fortunate enough to be playing alongside one of the top three strikers in the league. His goal scoring record, was poor. Whilst penalties count, Kasper would of hit at least 5 goals last season if he was taking them.

 

 

His touch, finishing and slow process of thought have always let his down as a player, and his performance yesterday was yet another disgrace.

 

 

Playing with a smile on your face is one thing, but smiling after constant poor decisions (the shot) and smiling after his awful attempted finishes in the warm up just doesn't impress anyone. Especially when you have someone like james trying to take the game by the scruff of the neck and running at players after playing an extra 70 minutes than nugent.

[Dickov22]

And why the hell not?

Many of you on here criticized my view straight away, claiming he need time etc...

Last season he was fortunate enough to be playing alongside one of the top three strikers in the league. His goal scoring record, was poor. Whilst penalties count, Kasper would of hit at least 5 goals last season if he was taking them.

His touch, finishing and slow process of thought have always let his down as a player, and his performance yesterday was yet another disgrace.

Playing with a smile on your face is one thing, but smiling after constant poor decisions (the shot) and smiling after his awful attempted finishes in the warm up just doesn't impress anyone. Especially when you have someone like james trying to take the game by the scruff of the neck and running at players after playing an extra 70 minutes than nugent.

Agree with the majority of that but let's not forget the good stuff he's done for us. Goals against QPR at home and away at Burnley were fantastic. He's never going to be good enough at this level though, and he knows it.

[Silverdaz]

and for those people who booed Nugent when he came on shame on you if this is your attitude go and support someone like Coventry

[dannythefox]

We still on about Nugent not being good enough? Nothing's changed, hopefully he'll leave in January then we can bring in two strikers

[Ross 'LCFC' Turner]

I think nugent is poor, but he's not on his own, we have a team of championship players.

The whole team barring mahrez look totally out of their depth in this league.

Yes most are young, or learning how to play in the premier league for the first time, but we cannot afford to be carrying so many players.

If the recruitment was right in the summer, experience or quality players would have been brought in, and nugent and vardy and the likes could have been introduced slowly.

The problem they have is they are all we have, and are expected to hit the ground running, and they are massively out of their depth, and look devoid of all confidence, and as with nugent, don't show any composure, and snatch at shots.

Bring in a decent striker, drop vardy to the bench, nugent in reserves, and in the mean time give wood a run of games, maybe even Lawrence, but stop persisting with players who cannot produce.

 

"We have a team of championship players, give Chris Wood a run of games"