roblcfc84 Posted 12 November 2014 Posted 12 November 2014 After 10 years of waiting, fans would rather get relegated and spend however long trying to get promoted than sack one manager, who may (or not) be the cause of current form. I'm strugglng with this a little...how do we know the next manager won't be here for the next 10 years. Doesn't make us a sacking club...
Stadt Posted 12 November 2014 Posted 12 November 2014 What happens if Pulis turns us down (if NP is wrongly sacked)? Where do we go then?
jimmeh Posted 12 November 2014 Posted 12 November 2014 They would talk to pulis before they sack pearson
Renart Posted 12 November 2014 Posted 12 November 2014 After 10 years of waiting, fans would rather get relegated and spend however long trying to get promoted than sack one manager, who may (or not) be the cause of current form. I'm strugglng with this a little...how do we know the next manager won't be here for the next 10 years. Doesn't make us a sacking club... No. I would rather not get relegated! But your argument can easily be inverted - how do you know that the next manager will not be here till the end of the season only? If you are saying yourself that the manager 'may (or [may] not) be the cause of [the] current form', then by your own logic why sack him? Football is full of ups and downs and we can only base our decisions on what we know and that is that we have been in a situation before where a dip in form has been turned around by this manager! I agree that there are no certainties but in-my-opinion it is an awful risk to roll the dice at this stage. I cannot think who I would want to walk into that dressing room and try to turn around a group of players that he has no relationship with what-so-ever! It could condemn the club to years of problems. The players and the club and (I hope) the fans want some stability and with that comes success. Look at the clubs that constantly change their manager - they are no better off and in most instances are certainly worse off. This is a bad run but to suggest getting rid is ludicrous. What worries me is that we live in this world of instant gratification and people make stupid decisions because they feel entitled - let it run its course and then judge. The problems come about because ideas get momentum through forums, media, bookies and then it becomes self fulfilling. The players are playing at a higher level and after a couple of poor results begin to lack confidence, they don't play well in the next game and then some fans start to get on them (and the manager) and then the media picks up on this and then the confidence gets worse; the manager tries to solve the problem but it is confounded. We need to back the team and the manager; If this was a manager that we had no attachment to then I might understand it but he has gotten us promoted twice and if given the support can turn it around. I am not even sure why this conversation is taking place - did the fans honestly believe that we wouldn't be in a fight with the step up in quality? We are around about where we should be - NP will do well to keep us up and that is because it would be f**cking hard for any manager to do that with us. If we scrape through at the end then I hope people will appreciate what he has done and not think we should have done better! We are where we should be and, given the quality of our players, the fact that we are newly promoted, and the size of our club, where we will be with a handful of games to go! Delusions of grandeur or what!
shailen Posted 12 November 2014 Posted 12 November 2014 even if you ignore the past and focus on this season, the first 6 games were excellent. The next 5 have been awful results wise, but not necessarily performance wise. But are we seriously considering sacking a manager after 5 poor games. We are not in a position where we can't recover. A few wins and we are top half. I agree it's games we should have got more points in, but it's not like we are doomed to relegation. Is there a need for change in manager? No, we are competing well in most games, but have lost the ability to score goals which is mainly due to confidence in my opinion. One good result and I believe it will all come back. Keep the faith
BlueSi13 Posted 12 November 2014 Posted 12 November 2014 What a sad moment it would be for the club if Pearson was to lose his job (before Dyche and Redknapp to boot) after such hope, joy and optimism just a few months ago. For me he has been responsible for every bright spark this club has had during the past decade. He deserves the full season and the chance to get us back up the next if we do indeed go down. He is, like the players, learning at this level. We knew it was going to be a tough ask (has nobody noticed that the three bottom clubs are the same three that got promotion?), so lets enjoy the ride come what may.
Buzzell Posted 12 November 2014 Posted 12 November 2014 Did people expect us to have an easy ride this season?
the messenger Posted 12 November 2014 Posted 12 November 2014 Yes a tough ask, but when you put barriers in the way like the wage cap to stop you signing proven quality prem players this has quite clearly hindered our chances of avoiding relegation. We will see at Christmas if we are still struggling this wage cap ruling will come back to bite the Thai's arses and the aim of european football within 3 years will seem light years away. I'm really hoping Pearson can turn it round but I just cannot see it with this defence and the tactics being used.
Dr The Singh Posted 12 November 2014 Posted 12 November 2014 Pearson will be here for a long while yet, he got us promoted and deserves the chance to keep us here. UNLESS, he totally fooks up and were rotting near the bottom with a massive gap in points to stay up. At this moment and time, he has loads of matches to get things right
roblcfc84 Posted 12 November 2014 Posted 12 November 2014 No. I would rather not get relegated! But your argument can easily be inverted - how do you know that the next manager will not be here till the end of the season only? If you are saying yourself that the manager 'may (or [may] not) be the cause of [the] current form', then by your own logic why sack him? Football is full of ups and downs and we can only base our decisions on what we know and that is that we have been in a situation before where a dip in form has been turned around by this manager! I agree that there are no certainties but in-my-opinion it is an awful risk to roll the dice at this stage. I cannot think who I would want to walk into that dressing room and try to turn around a group of players that he has no relationship with what-so-ever! It could condemn the club to years of problems. The players and the club and (I hope) the fans want some stability and with that comes success. Look at the clubs that constantly change their manager - they are no better off and in most instances are certainly worse off. This is a bad run but to suggest getting rid is ludicrous. What worries me is that we live in this world of instant gratification and people make stupid decisions because they feel entitled - let it run its course and then judge. The problems come about because ideas get momentum through forums, media, bookies and then it becomes self fulfilling. The players are playing at a higher level and after a couple of poor results begin to lack confidence, they don't play well in the next game and then some fans start to get on them (and the manager) and then the media picks up on this and then the confidence gets worse; the manager tries to solve the problem but it is confounded. We need to back the team and the manager; If this was a manager that we had no attachment to then I might understand it but he has gotten us promoted twice and if given the support can turn it around. I am not even sure why this conversation is taking place - did the fans honestly believe that we wouldn't be in a fight with the step up in quality? We are around about where we should be - NP will do well to keep us up and that is because it would be f**cking hard for any manager to do that with us. If we scrape through at the end then I hope people will appreciate what he has done and not think we should have done better! We are where we should be and, given the quality of our players, the fact that we are newly promoted, and the size of our club, where we will be with a handful of games to go! Delusions of grandeur or what! Your argument is eloquently articulated. I understood that this would be extremely difficult and by no means expected us to be winning week in and week out. For the record I have a great deal of respect for NP but My concerns are and I believe others share this view: Regardless of what barriers people place in front of this argument, like wage cap, like newly promoted etc, I don't believe any fan can contest that the summer recruit was average. NP may not be to blame, as he may not undertake negotiations, but ultimately as the manager he takes responsibility for incomings/outgoings. Again, I believe, some tactical decisions have been extremely naive, especially considering the success we had early on. We seem to have reverted to a system intended to nullify the opposition and not play to the strengths we saw last year. Additionally, NP appears to have favourites within the squad that continually get picked after average performances. There is no doubt NP has a stubborn streak that could cost us long term. I also believe, and just my opinion, he reluctance the change his style with the media and at times it appears certain players does the club no favours. You can applaud the man for being himself etc but he needs to understand the PL is a global product, like it or not, and one that has given our club huge financial rewards. he surely must understand that his approach needs to change to promote the club in best light globally and domestically. I think fans who want to stick by him are justified, but there is a debate to be had and my point is that relegation in exchange for keeping a manager who may or may not be able to get the club back in the PL is not an option. I hope he gets the results in the next two games and I can admit I jumped in too early with the above and misconstrued some signs which I believe suggest he is not cut out for the PL. But you must admit lose the next two games and serious questions have to be asked. The assertion that we don't know a new man would make a difference is true, but equally you would know the current manager definitely wasn't making a positive difference.
Fox Ulike Posted 12 November 2014 Posted 12 November 2014 If that is based on money spent during the Premier League seasons then Pulis, at the time, averaged a £21 million spend each year. If Pearson had the same amount, would you say that was limited resources for Leicester? Also, Pulis was spending good amounts when the TV revenue wasn't at this current level and FFP wasn't involved. Again, he did a good job at Stoke. He had financial support to do it. He wanted it at Palace and he'll probably want it here. With the current regulations, he might not be given the chance. Well no, its saying that between 2003 and 2012 Stoke spent £84m. That's less than half of what Sunderland, Villa or Newcastle spent. It's also less than teams like Fulham, Blackburn and Wigan who haven't managed to stay in the division. Its a much more reliable stat than yours cos it compares Stoke with every other team in the league, rather than just Arsenal. Stoke are 17th in the money table but Pulis took them into the top 10. That suggests an over-achievement rather than an over-spend.
Corky Posted 12 November 2014 Posted 12 November 2014 Here we are- a breakdown of Stoke's transfer dealings: http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/stoke-city-transfers.html
MC Prussian Posted 12 November 2014 Posted 12 November 2014 Well no, its saying that between 2003 and 2012 Stoke spent £84m. That's less than half of what Sunderland, Villa or Newcastle spent. It's also less than teams like Fulham, Blackburn and Wigan who haven't managed to stay in the division. Its a much more reliable stat than yours cos it compares Stoke with every other team in the league, rather than just Arsenal. Stoke are 17th in the money table but Pulis took them into the top 10. That suggests an over-achievement rather than an over-spend. It's funny you keep on talking about Pulis, like a few others are doing at the moment. The development of Stoke under Pulis in his first two years is somewhat similar to what Pearson has done at Leicester so far. When you then look at the Potters' record in the Premier League, then their example should be followed - which means standing by the current manager and permit him to continue developing the club and the squad. I find it somewhat ironic people keep banging on changing about the manager after his first ten games in the Premier League and are at the same time suggesting a manager who in his own right was given time and backing in order to allow growing and nurturing the club following promotion to the top tier.
Guest ttfn Posted 12 November 2014 Posted 12 November 2014 £10 million for a 30 year old Crouchy and £5.5m for The Secret Footballer are steals imo. Should have been top 4 with that squad.
GaelicFox Posted 12 November 2014 Posted 12 November 2014 All the 16-1 available freely Sunday is gone , as low as 6-1 in a place and William hill reporting Sizeable bets during week and cutting him from 16-1 to 8-1 on Monday/Tuesday The bookies are hounds and they smell a fox on the run !
Strokes Posted 12 November 2014 Posted 12 November 2014 Fans bemoan lack of loyalty in the sport, take a look at yourselves.
Corky Posted 12 November 2014 Posted 12 November 2014 Manager on losing run and in relegation struggle in being under pressure shocker!!
SystonFox Posted 12 November 2014 Posted 12 November 2014 Dropofclaridge must be the worst poster since Leicesterpool
GaelicFox Posted 12 November 2014 Posted 12 November 2014 Money talks in the market , but really not much needed on this type of market , its just noticeable the collapse in price in last 48hrs across the board , and William Hill 16-1 to 8-1 yesterday was an eye opener as they have a very good sack race risk assessment team
ScouseFox Posted 12 November 2014 Posted 12 November 2014 next manager sacking is the only market i'd never follow the money on. pardew, allardyce, redknapp, lambert, irvine & poyet have all been very short prices (much shorter than 6/1) already since the start of the season. the 10s on betfair makes pearson about 6th favourite to be next sacked anyway. no big deal. if they had any genuine info/fear he'd be 1/6 not 6/1.
Strokes Posted 12 November 2014 Posted 12 November 2014 Trends like this often happen with no real substance, a few take a punt at attractive odds after a poor run. Bookies shorten the odds, people see odds getting shorter and whack on asap, odds reduce further.
Corky Posted 12 November 2014 Posted 12 November 2014 Money talks in the market , but really not much needed on this type of market , its just noticeable the collapse in price in last 48hrs across the board , and William Hill 16-1 to 8-1 yesterday was an eye opener as they have a very good sack race risk assessment team You mean people who look at league tables, results and internet forums?
GaelicFox Posted 12 November 2014 Posted 12 November 2014 Dropofclaridge must be the worst poster since Leicesterpool It's a complement then that you felt compelled to reply , cheers buddy
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