Strokes Posted 12 November 2014 Share Posted 12 November 2014 It's a complement then that you felt compelled to reply , cheers buddy You must get lots of compliments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaelicFox Posted 12 November 2014 Share Posted 12 November 2014 next manager sacking is the only market i'd never follow the money on. pardew, allardyce, redknapp, lambert, irvine & poyet have all been very short prices (much shorter than 6/1) already since the start of the season. the 10s on betfair makes pearson about 6th favourite to be next sacked anyway. no big deal. if they had any genuine info/fear he'd be 1/6 not 6/1. FAIR point ....just interesting have been shifting last day or so , time will tell I guess You must get lots of compliments. Only from your missus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanSP Posted 12 November 2014 Share Posted 12 November 2014 Why is dropofclaridge not banned yet? Melon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bert Posted 12 November 2014 Share Posted 12 November 2014 I would start worrying if this was 4/7 and not 6/1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaelicFox Posted 12 November 2014 Share Posted 12 November 2014 Why is dropofclaridge not banned yet? Melon. Touchy I would start worrying if this was 4/7 and not 6/1. I wouldn't I'd be happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SystonFox Posted 12 November 2014 Share Posted 12 November 2014 You do post some utter guff. What motivates you to do so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Prussian Posted 12 November 2014 Share Posted 12 November 2014 All the 16-1 available freely Sunday is gone , as low as 6-1 in a place and William hill reporting Sizeable bets during week and cutting him from 16-1 to 8-1 on Monday/Tuesday The bookies are hounds and they smell a fox on the run ! You'd make a lovely pairing with Col city fan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corky Posted 12 November 2014 Share Posted 12 November 2014 You'd make a lovely pairing with Col city fan! Very true Michael (why does he call you Michael?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Posted 13 November 2014 Share Posted 13 November 2014 The short and narrow of it is that even if the Thais were trigger-happy at one time with their handling of Sven, then now they no longer are and seem to have since learned that sacking a manager who's previously done very well in adverse times is not the answer. Even if they were trigger-happy then you've got to give NP until Christmas at least in the current climate, even if we don't win another game between now and then. QPR and Burnley aren't talking of sackings just yet are they??! - and they're both still below us of course, thanks to our promising start. So far then I fear that us over coming our tough start, culminating in the Man Utd. 5-3 game gave everybody a false sense of expectation way too early on in the season. For me then it was always going to be as tough as it's turned out to be, to date. Madness to get rid of the finest manager we've had since M.O'Neill now, even if his tactics haven't been the wisest of late!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Half Wonder Posted 13 November 2014 Share Posted 13 November 2014 Sacking Pearson would set us back years - can we just do things the right way for once and keep patience with a manager and not join the typical circus that goes on at less well organised clubs. He needs to stay, but he does need to go back to what we're good at, especially at home; using wingers, which is how we got the best of Ulloa at the start and how we performed well all of last season. I don't remember us once playing a diamond last season. Look at how solid Southampton, West ham and Swansea are - they keep the same players in every game, a philosophy Nige adopted all last season, why has he changed tact? He's trying to accommodate too many central midfielders because none of them has stood out yet, really, no clear cut choice is there? I'd still want Pearson to be in charge if we went down tbh. Also, all the doom merchants please take a look at Newcastle Utd; dead and buried, verge of the sack, bottom, awful, then 4 wins on the bounce and they're 8th. Could be us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deep blue Posted 13 November 2014 Share Posted 13 November 2014 Sacking Pearson would set us back years - can we just do things the right way for once and keep patience with a manager and not join the typical circus that goes on at less well organised clubs. He needs to stay, but he does need to go back to what we're good at, especially at home; using wingers, which is how we got the best of Ulloa at the start and how we performed well all of last season. I don't remember us once playing a diamond last season. Look at how solid Southampton, West ham and Swansea are - they keep the same players in every game, a philosophy Nige adopted all last season, why has he changed tact? He's trying to accommodate too many central midfielders because none of them has stood out yet, really, no clear cut choice is there? I'd still want Pearson to be in charge if we went down tbh. Also, all the doom merchants please take a look at Newcastle Utd; dead and buried, verge of the sack, bottom, awful, then 4 wins on the bounce and they're 8th. Could be us. Great post. Correct in every respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Ulike Posted 13 November 2014 Share Posted 13 November 2014 It's funny you keep on talking about Pulis, like a few others are doing at the moment. The development of Stoke under Pulis in his first two years is somewhat similar to what Pearson has done at Leicester so far. When you then look at the Potters' record in the Premier League, then their example should be followed - which means standing by the current manager and permit him to continue developing the club and the squad. I find it somewhat ironic people keep banging on changing about the manager after his first ten games in the Premier League and are at the same time suggesting a manager who in his own right was given time and backing in order to allow growing and nurturing the club following promotion to the top tier. Could not agree more. Just for info, I was just chatting about Tony Pulis yesterday. I wasn't suggesting that we needed a managerial change. I really don't see how we could improve on Pearson if we got rid of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justfoxes Posted 13 November 2014 Share Posted 13 November 2014 I've got a feeling this international break has come at a good time for us as we can regroup sort this slump out once and for all PEARSON needs to drop this diamond formation as it's not working he needs to look at his best starting 11 and decide if they are and go with them go back to 4-4-2 if they have too more protection for the back than the diamond, he needs to take a look at our first 5 games and see where our togetherness and tenacity has disappeared to! We can play a good game as those first five games show! Do we need to strengthen in January ? YES we need a proven goal scorer maybe another defender, but we do have the players to compete of they've lost their bottle they just need to find it back as I've seen is play some awesome football back in this premier league and I really hope NIGEL can turn this slump around and I hope the owners stick with him ! But let's just sit back enjoy the ride and stop stressing we will be ok our mojo will return !! Onwards and upwards and in NIGEL we trust !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevosevic Posted 13 November 2014 Share Posted 13 November 2014 Sacking Pearson would set us back years - can we just do things the right way for once and keep patience with a manager and not join the typical circus that goes on at less well organised clubs. He needs to stay, but he does need to go back to what we're good at, especially at home; using wingers, which is how we got the best of Ulloa at the start and how we performed well all of last season. I don't remember us once playing a diamond last season. Look at how solid Southampton, West ham and Swansea are - they keep the same players in every game, a philosophy Nige adopted all last season, why has he changed tact? He's trying to accommodate too many central midfielders because none of them has stood out yet, really, no clear cut choice is there? I'd still want Pearson to be in charge if we went down tbh. Also, all the doom merchants please take a look at Newcastle Utd; dead and buried, verge of the sack, bottom, awful, then 4 wins on the bounce and they're 8th. Could be us. Newcastle had a team and manager that finished in the top half last year - they were always going to turn it round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanner73 Posted 13 November 2014 Share Posted 13 November 2014 Yep 6 /1 from a sizeable 28/1 in 5 days ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inckley fox Posted 13 November 2014 Share Posted 13 November 2014 Sacking Pearson would set us back years - can we just do things the right way for once and keep patience with a manager and not join the typical circus that goes on at less well organised clubs. He needs to stay, but he does need to go back to what we're good at, especially at home; using wingers, which is how we got the best of Ulloa at the start and how we performed well all of last season. I don't remember us once playing a diamond last season. Look at how solid Southampton, West ham and Swansea are - they keep the same players in every game, a philosophy Nige adopted all last season, why has he changed tact? He's trying to accommodate too many central midfielders because none of them has stood out yet, really, no clear cut choice is there? I'd still want Pearson to be in charge if we went down tbh. Also, all the doom merchants please take a look at Newcastle Utd; dead and buried, verge of the sack, bottom, awful, then 4 wins on the bounce and they're 8th. Could be us. Getting relegated could set us back years, in fact it would leave us in a position not entirely dissimilar to the one he found us in three years ago, or Levein seven years before that. We simply don't know what effect sacking Pearson would have. When you consider the numerous promoted sides who have parted with their managers (Southampton, West Brom, Palace, Newcastle, Sunderland among them) and the fact that it does work out for at least as many clubs as it doesn't work out for, you can't come to the conclusion that it would definitely set us back in any way at all. In fact, you give the example of Newcastle sticking with their manager, but they didn't do the same when Hughton brought them up. Norwich stuck with him and they went down. The point, really, is that we're not Newcastle and Pearson isn't Chris Hughton, or Roberto Di Matteo, or Ian Holloway, or Roy Keane, or Nigel Adkins. But his success will have to depend on him doing better than some managers have in a relegation battle. We aren't in such an awful position that, in my view, justifies a change of manager. At least not yet. But plenty of clubs who have done a good job of getting promoted and staying promoted would disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suffolk fox Posted 13 November 2014 Share Posted 13 November 2014 Sacking Pearson would set us back years - can we just do things the right way for once and keep patience with a manager and not join the typical circus that goes on at less well organised clubs. He needs to stay, but he does need to go back to what we're good at, especially at home; using wingers, which is how we got the best of Ulloa at the start and how we performed well all of last season. I don't remember us once playing a diamond last season. Look at how solid Southampton, West ham and Swansea are - they keep the same players in every game, a philosophy Nige adopted all last season, why has he changed tact? He's trying to accommodate too many central midfielders because none of them has stood out yet, really, no clear cut choice is there? I'd still want Pearson to be in charge if we went down tbh. Also, all the doom merchants please take a look at Newcastle Utd; dead and buried, verge of the sack, bottom, awful, then 4 wins on the bounce and they're 8th. Could be us. With the backing of the Thais at this club for the time being I am just intrigued as to why it would set us back years? To me Nigel Pearson has lost all faith in his players at the moment because he appears to be setting us up not to get beaten too heavily? Where has all the confidence gone from the first six games? To compare us to Newcastle is not a great example been in the premier league for years and also have some quality players at their disposal. Even Qpr showed on Saturday how to play in this league against Man City. Play with wingers and having a right good go. We just dont ever look like doing this. No individual is bigger than the club I support if he cannot turn it around he may well get the sack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Ulike Posted 13 November 2014 Share Posted 13 November 2014 Getting relegated could set us back years, in fact it would leave us in a position not entirely dissimilar to the one he found us in three years ago, or Levein seven years before that. We simply don't know what effect sacking Pearson would have. When you consider the numerous promoted sides who have parted with their managers (Southampton, West Brom, Palace, Newcastle, Sunderland among them) and the fact that it does work out for at least as many clubs as it doesn't work out for, you can't come to the conclusion that it would definitely set us back in any way at all. In fact, you give the example of Newcastle sticking with their manager, but they didn't do the same when Hughton brought them up. Norwich stuck with him and they went down. The point, really, is that we're not Newcastle and Pearson isn't Chris Hughton, or Roberto Di Matteo, or Ian Holloway, or Roy Keane, or Nigel Adkins. But his success will have to depend on him doing better than some managers have in a relegation battle. We aren't in such an awful position that, in my view, justifies a change of manager. At least not yet. But plenty of clubs who have done a good job of getting promoted and staying promoted would disagree. Not exactly true. The only reason you can say it 'works out' for some clubs is because only 3 clubs can get relegated. So even if 8 sides change their managers during a season, at least five of them will definitely stay up. If you're looking at this statistically, then a huge % of clubs who get relegated change their managers before the end of the season. Of course there are exceptions, but there are far more examples of clubs getting worse than better following a managerial change. Last season both Cardiff and Fulham sacked their managers in November. Relegated. The year before, QPR sacked Hughes in November. Relegated without a trace on 25 points. Wolves dropped down TWO divisions after sacking Mick McCarthey in February 2012. And Blackburn never really recovered from sacking Sam Allydyce in December 2010. Statistically, I think that a team is much more likely to be relegated if they sack their manager before Winter is out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Ed Posted 13 November 2014 Share Posted 13 November 2014 4 seasons 2 promotions 2 play offs If Pearson was never our manager we'd all be talking about getting him in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inckley fox Posted 13 November 2014 Share Posted 13 November 2014 Not exactly true. The only reason you can say it 'works out' for some clubs is because only 3 clubs can get relegated. So even if 8 sides change their managers during a season, at least five of them will definitely stay up. If you're looking at this statistically, then a huge % of clubs who get relegated change their managers before the end of the season. Of course there are exceptions, but there are far more examples of clubs getting worse than better following a managerial change. Last season both Cardiff and Fulham sacked their managers in November. Relegated. The year before, QPR sacked Hughes in November. Relegated without a trace on 25 points. Wolves dropped down TWO divisions after sacking Mick McCarthey in February 2012. And Blackburn never really recovered from sacking Sam Allydyce in December 2010. Statistically, I think that a team is much more likely to be relegated if they sack their manager before Winter is out. Okay, but last year Palace sacked their manager and stayed up. Norwich didn't until March and went down. The year before, Reading didn't sack their manager until March and went down. Sunderland stayed up by the same measure. Southampton changed their manager earlier and stayed up. Wigan didn't change and went down. In the same year as Wolves sacked McCarthy in February, Blackburn didn't change their manager and went down, the same goes for Bolton. Meanwhile Sunderland changed before Christmas and stayed up. The year before that West Ham stuck with their manager and went down, as did Blackpool and Birmingham. Blackburn may have gone down a year later, but they didn't go down when they sacked their manager that year, and neither did West Brom when they sacked Di Matteo, although that was post-January. You are right to say that it goes wrong for plenty of clubs who change their managers, but I don't think it's anything like a majority. I used that stat before, that over the past five years ten clubs who have been in the bottom six at this stage in November have changed managers before the end of January. Seven have stayed up. It doesn't really provide a clear picture though. Stats can serve any purpose you want them to and we aren't Bolton, or Blackpool, or Palace, or Southampton. In my view you judge each case separately and, in ours, I don't see the sense in changing at the moment. But it's not a clear-cut issue at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inckley fox Posted 13 November 2014 Share Posted 13 November 2014 4 seasons 2 promotions 2 play offs If Pearson was never our manager we'd all be talking about getting him in. I'd never dispute his record in the second and third tier for one moment and he needs a chance to do a job at this level. But what we need right now is a survival specialist, not a promotion specialist! I believe he's a good enough manager to make that step up, but he's got a short window of time to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Ed Posted 13 November 2014 Share Posted 13 November 2014 I'd never dispute his record in the second and third tier for one moment and he needs a chance to do a job at this level. But what we need right now is a survival specialist, not a promotion specialist! I believe he's a good enough manager to make that step up, but he's got a short window of time to do it. I don't believe in specialists, winning games is what matters and he's proven over many seasons he can build teams that win games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Prussian Posted 13 November 2014 Share Posted 13 November 2014 I'd never dispute his record in the second and third tier for one moment and he needs a chance to do a job at this level. But what we need right now is a survival specialist, not a promotion specialist! I believe he's a good enough manager to make that step up, but he's got a short window of time to do it. I'm sorry, but what? How can you come to the conclusion that Pearson is a "promotion specialist"? Critics were getting on his back numerous times in the past few years because we failed in the playoffs twice before promotion! If we were going for "specialists" in sports in general, teams would be changing their "specialists" on more than just a regular basis - a "specialist" for every seasonal situation, so to speak. Which is nonsense, because it would work diametrically to consistency and to building a solid foundation for the future. Football is a funny old game, yet you cannot simply take one bit out of the equation, replace it by another and then expect the equation to make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike the Metal Ed Posted 13 November 2014 Share Posted 13 November 2014 I'd never dispute his record in the second and third tier for one moment and he needs a chance to do a job at this level. But what we need right now is a survival specialist, not a promotion specialist! I believe he's a good enough manager to make that step up, but he's got a short window of time to do it. Same logic that got us Dave Bassett and not David Moyes in 2001. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaelicFox Posted 13 November 2014 Share Posted 13 November 2014 Same logic that got us Dave Bassett and not David Moyes in 2001. Tony Pulis is no Dave Bassett , but NP deserves at least till Christmas before any panic , thankfully it's a fairly open league so no one looking doomed yet plenty of home games between now and New Year's Day , time to get behind the team and management and hope there is cash there to bring a little quality in in jan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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