reynard Posted 5 February 2015 Posted 5 February 2015 Why is it the older posters in particular who want Pearson out? Because he's not as good as O'neil? We don't. But he isn't. So far he's not as good as Bloomfield either but he's better than McClintock about on a par with Little and not quite as good Micky Adams or Gordon Milne. And we've spent a long time on the bottom a bit like under Bassett. Maybe at the end of the season he will have moved up a bit let's wait and see.
The Doctor Posted 5 February 2015 Posted 5 February 2015 They're all lefties that tolerate muesli terrorists and stuff What in gods name is a muesli terrorist?
Bettsj2 Posted 5 February 2015 Posted 5 February 2015 What in gods name is a muesli terrorist? Blowin shit up in the name of Granola. Terrible business.
Orkneyfox Posted 6 February 2015 Posted 6 February 2015 What in gods name is a muesli terrorist? A cereal killer...
iancognito Posted 6 February 2015 Posted 6 February 2015 not quite as good Micky Adams or Gordon Milne That's taking the piss. Micky Adams was here for 3 years and his team of journeymen weren't anywhere near as good as what Pearson's put together. He got lucky keeping a handful of O'Neill's players and did amazingly well getting players like Summerbee playing for free promoted but Pearson's been far more successful. As for Gordon Milne, no, just no.
Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot Posted 6 February 2015 Posted 6 February 2015 He's almost surpassed Craig Levein now, still a long way to go imamhoo.
CosbehFox Posted 6 February 2015 Posted 6 February 2015 Because we're too old to have teenage infatuations and support the club not individuals? Fair more logical than that. Older set have seen more sustained runs in the top flight. Younger fans haven't.
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 6 February 2015 Posted 6 February 2015 Fair more logical than that. Older set have seen more sustained runs in the top flight. Younger fans haven't.In fairness Cardiff Fox that sounds about right
Mark 'expert' Lawrenson Posted 6 February 2015 Posted 6 February 2015 That's taking the piss. Micky Adams was here for 3 years and his team of journeymen weren't anywhere near as good as what Pearson's put together. He got lucky keeping a handful of O'Neill's players and did amazingly well getting players like Summerbee playing for free promoted but Pearson's been far more successful. As for Gordon Milne, no, just no.[/quot Harsh on Milne, got us promoted to the top flight in 1982-83 and kept us in there till the 86-87 season, great memories of his time in charge, and on the whole an underrated manager.
RUDZY Posted 6 February 2015 Posted 6 February 2015 Why on Earth would you want to undo all the hard work and team spirit built up by the present Manager? Success don't come easy, let the man do his job and finish his contract
Finn Claw II Posted 6 February 2015 Posted 6 February 2015 I never felt mickey Adams created his own team, but his hands were somewhat tied. NP certainly has built his own team, much in the way O'Neill did and little also.
Webbo Posted 6 February 2015 Posted 6 February 2015 If Pearson keeps us up you can say he's better than Adams, until then he's achieved no more but on a far better budget.
cc_star Posted 6 February 2015 Posted 6 February 2015 If Pearson keeps us up you can say he's better than Adams, until then he's achieved no more but on a far better budget. Budget is relative to the era, spending more on two players in pound note terms doesn't mean he's spent loads in comparison to previous eras, and anyway he was hardly backed in the summer when the club missed out on a considerable numbers of strike partners for Ulloa and probably a multitude of other areas of the pitch too, also doesn't tell the whole story of there being practically no money in the pot after Sven & winning promotion in record breaking fashion while reducing the wage bill by a massive extent. If Pearson can keep us
veezeeblue Posted 6 February 2015 Posted 6 February 2015 Nice to see the forum hasn't lost it's completely radically polarized bitch slapping appeal I'm goin to the the Zionist-Jihad Thread for some relaxed discussion
inckley fox Posted 6 February 2015 Posted 6 February 2015 I suppose older fans have seen more success than some of the younger fans, expect more and so on. Give it 15 or 20 years and we'll be moaning that the new boss isn't as good as Pearson, I'm sure. As for Adams, as long as Pearson brings along guys like Schmeichel, Moore, James, Drinkwater, King, Kramaric, Mahrez, Knockaert, Albrighton and Schlupp he's done a better job than Adams, who inherited a 2nd tier squad, average age 28/29, which desperately needed an injection of youth and left us with a 2nd tier squad with an average age of over 30, and almost all on one year deals. The club's ten year collapse on the back of his reign owed a lot to the fact that we had to entirely assemble a new squad in 2004 and 2005. It wasn't his fault that he had to let go of Piper and couldn't bring any players in for a year, and it wasn't his fault that he had next to no funds for the next two seasons, but even with that in mind his policy was experience on short-term deals. He could have afforded to bring in younger, low-profile players for small fees, as Levein, Kelly and Pearson did - with Hobbs, Morrison and, later, Drinkwater, Mahrez and Albrighton, but instead he pinned his hopes on short-termism. It very nearly worked out, but it didn't. Adams preferred to bring in four or five older players for nothing, for a year, as opposed to one or two younger players for a small fee, for two or three years. Levein changed the policy and slashed the average age of our squad by six years, and our wage bill by a third. Sometimes he, and Kelly, got it right - Kisnorbo, Fryatt, McAuley - but too often their faith was in SPL players and they didn't. Had a manager come in, in summer 2004, with Pearson's ability to pick out younger talent, I doubt we'd have gone down in 2008, or spent a decade trying to get back to the Premier.
Bettsj2 Posted 6 February 2015 Posted 6 February 2015 I suppose older fans have seen more success than some of the younger fans, expect more and so on. Give it 15 or 20 years and we'll be moaning that the new boss isn't as good as Pearson, I'm sure. As for Adams, as long as Pearson brings along guys like Schmeichel, Moore, James, Drinkwater, King, Kramaric, Mahrez, Knockaert, Albrighton and Schlupp he's done a better job than Adams, who inherited a 2nd tier squad, average age 28/29, which desperately needed an injection of youth and left us with a 2nd tier squad with an average age of over 30, and almost all on one year deals. The club's ten year collapse on the back of his reign owed a lot to the fact that we had to entirely assemble a new squad in 2004 and 2005. It wasn't his fault that he had to let go of Piper and couldn't bring any players in for a year, and it wasn't his fault that he had next to no funds for the next two seasons, but even with that in mind his policy was experience on short-term deals. He could have afforded to bring in younger, low-profile players for small fees, as Levein, Kelly and Pearson did - with Hobbs, Morrison and, later, Drinkwater, Mahrez and Albrighton, but instead he pinned his hopes on short-termism. It very nearly worked out, but it didn't. Adams preferred to bring in four or five older players for nothing, for a year, as opposed to one or two younger players for a small fee, for two or three years. Levein changed the policy and slashed the average age of our squad by six years, and our wage bill by a third. Sometimes he, and Kelly, got it right - Kisnorbo, Fryatt, McAuley - but too often their faith was in SPL players and they didn't. Had a manager come in, in summer 2004, with Pearson's ability to pick out younger talent, I doubt we'd have gone down in 2008, or spent a decade trying to get back to the Premier. Incredibly harsh on Adams. His hand was forced in the transfer market into getting whoever he could, something which he was quite candid abiut on several occassions. In fact, there was an interview where he was asked why he had signed the types of players he had and he actually said that he had no choice and further added something along the lines of not being able to get quality if its a free transfer. Adams had to contend with a wage bill that was too high and needed trimming just as Pearson did but Adams didnt have a penny to replenish the squad. If you look back at what he had to contend with, the strength of the league when we were promoted and just how close we came to survival, it really was a remarkable job and one that I'm suprised he hasnt replicated anywhere else.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 6 February 2015 Posted 6 February 2015 Why on Earth would you want to undo all the hard work and team spirit built up by the present Manager? Success don't come easy, let the man do his job and finish his contract ....."do his job"
LanguedocFox Posted 6 February 2015 Posted 6 February 2015 I suppose older fans have seen more success than some of the younger fans, expect more and so on. Give it 15 or 20 years and we'll be moaning that the new boss isn't as good as Pearson, I'm sure. As for Adams, as long as Pearson brings along guys like Schmeichel, Moore, James, Drinkwater, King, Kramaric, Mahrez, Knockaert, Albrighton and Schlupp he's done a better job than Adams, who inherited a 2nd tier squad, average age 28/29, which desperately needed an injection of youth and left us with a 2nd tier squad with an average age of over 30, and almost all on one year deals. The club's ten year collapse on the back of his reign owed a lot to the fact that we had to entirely assemble a new squad in 2004 and 2005. It wasn't his fault that he had to let go of Piper and couldn't bring any players in for a year, and it wasn't his fault that he had next to no funds for the next two seasons, but even with that in mind his policy was experience on short-term deals. He could have afforded to bring in younger, low-profile players for small fees, as Levein, Kelly and Pearson did - with Hobbs, Morrison and, later, Drinkwater, Mahrez and Albrighton, but instead he pinned his hopes on short-termism. It very nearly worked out, but it didn't. Adams preferred to bring in four or five older players for nothing, for a year, as opposed to one or two younger players for a small fee, for two or three years. Levein changed the policy and slashed the average age of our squad by six years, and our wage bill by a third. Sometimes he, and Kelly, got it right - Kisnorbo, Fryatt, McAuley - but too often their faith was in SPL players and they didn't. Had a manager come in, in summer 2004, with Pearson's ability to pick out younger talent, I doubt we'd have gone down in 2008, or spent a decade trying to get back to the Premier. Incredibly harsh on Adams. His hand was forced in the transfer market into getting whoever he could, something which he was quite candid abiut on several occassions. In fact, there was an interview where he was asked why he had signed the types of players he had and he actually said that he had no choice and further added something along the lines of not being able to get quality if its a free transfer. Adams had to contend with a wage bill that was too high and needed trimming just as Pearson did but Adams didnt have a penny to replenish the squad. If you look back at what he had to contend with, the strength of the league when we were promoted and just how close we came to survival, it really was a remarkable job and one that I'm suprised he hasnt replicated anywhere else. As one of the older fans on here, I can tell you that I have seen more failure than success. The ten years after O'Neill left were awful and although Adams did well, he did bring in an awful lot of dross - as did his many successors. The thing that Pearson has done is to give back some pride and some hope, and in the main he has brought in good players. Apart from the away game at Villa Park, I have never felt that we would go down this season - and I still don't (although tomorrow's match against Palace is an absolute must-win). And if we do win tomorrow, I am sure we will stay up, and I hope our fans give Pearson the credit he deserves. I've seen City play under some brilliant managers, from Gillies to O'Neill. But, believe me, I have endured some crap as well, and if it is a choice between Pearson and anyone else since O'Neill left, it is absolutely no competition.
Guest seanfox778 Posted 6 February 2015 Posted 6 February 2015 Second best manager I've known us to have, I'm 28 and struggle to remember before McGhee. Wouldn't contemplate sacking him unless we were battling mid table in the Championship.
Clever Fox Posted 6 February 2015 Posted 6 February 2015 I believe he has the full backing of the owners having convinced them his way is the right way. The fact that he has turned around 2 Bad Patches will buy him even more time. If we can win tomorrow i think we could also get something from the Arsenal match. There still not the best at the back.
tickler28 Posted 6 February 2015 Posted 6 February 2015 3 points tomorrow Nigel....no excuses no whinging pick THE best team (one that doesn't include King, Drinkwater or Vardy) and have your tactics sorted before the game....lose and make out you've got to quit because of a dodgy knee please
Mark_w Posted 6 February 2015 Posted 6 February 2015 3 points tomorrow Nigel....no excuses no whinging pick THE best team (one that doesn't include King, Drinkwater or Vardy) and have your tactics sorted before the game....lose and make out you've got to quit because of a dodgy knee please Which is THE best team? Just so we can know at 2:00, rather than 5:00, whether you think he's got it right.
tickler28 Posted 6 February 2015 Posted 6 February 2015 Which is THE best team? Just so we can know at 2:00, rather than 5:00, whether you think he's got it right. See Palace pre match thread. To be fair he will never pick my team. These are the things I don't want to see: Vardy on the wing De Laet at left back (Konchesky scored our last winning goal remember and has a left foot) I want either Albrighton or Mahrez on right Kramaric in a 4-4-2 only....he's not a number 10 Hammond and James in a 2 or add Cambiasso only if you play Nugent or Mahrez behind Ulloa
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