Alf Bentley Posted 27 February 2015 Posted 27 February 2015 Doesn't Kate Moss go out with their guitarist..? Nah! She goes out with that Tommy Docherty, doesn't she? He enticed her away from Ian Brown, didn't he? I remember the football crowds singing about it...
Buce Posted 27 February 2015 Posted 27 February 2015 Nah! She goes out with that Tommy Docherty, doesn't she? He enticed her away from Ian Brown, didn't he? I remember the football crowds singing about it... "Who's up Mary Brown? Who's up Mary Brown? Tommy, Tommy Docherty Tommy, Tommy Docherty..." You mean that song? Must have been before he started putting the 'brown' in himself...
Vlad the Fox Posted 27 February 2015 Posted 27 February 2015 I don't have a problem with religion and believe it does a great deal of good in the background of a modern civilised society providing comfort for the lonely, supporting the community, charity work as well as the faith it offers people. The way I see it is that religion becomes a problem when it is the driving factor in the laws and customs of a country, a country that is ruled by rules thousands of years old is going to conflict with a modern world. What then happens without the brakes of any sort of modern constitution outside of religion is that people take these religions and interpret them to support their own warped views and use it to exert control over people and to rule how they want, brutality and murder is used to fear people into conforming but this is why stability never comes to these regions as all the people can't and won't be coerced or forced into these extreme views. If it wasn't religion it would be something else these lunatics would use to exert control, until they modernise and become civilised this is always going to happen. In the modern world the means are there to try and extend their sick ideology which is why it needs confronting. And if nothing of that makes sense it's because my uncivilised children are playing havoc this morning.
surrifox Posted 27 February 2015 Posted 27 February 2015 I'd never heard of CAGE (they wouldn't get much out of rattling their collecting tins round here to be fair ) and having watched the spokesman concluded that he was just another terrorist apologist bed-wetter but the Telegraph are not so sure... http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/peteroborne/100279865/if-cage-has-broken-the-law-let-it-be-prosecuted-this-reeks-of-the-police-state/
Danno Posted 27 February 2015 Posted 27 February 2015 Why do people believe in free speech but think religion should be banned
Head Honcho Posted 27 February 2015 Posted 27 February 2015 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/jihadi-john-cage-representative-storms-off-sky-news-interview-after-accusing-kay-burley-of-islamaphobia-10073785.html The interview of Cage guy number 2 is on there, watch how Kay Burley responds to an accusation of being Islamaphobic Bet he hated being spoken to like that by a woman. Fair play to her she's just gone up in my estimations. She'll have to watch her step now mind!
Guest MattP Posted 27 February 2015 Posted 27 February 2015 Fair play to her she's just gone up in my estimations. She'll have to watch her step now mind! She did well. There is a Muslim guy on Daily Politics now from the Qulillem society, saying this 'charity' CAGE has been a well known front for Islamism for quite some time and openly support Jihad and the creation of a caliphate, the question really has to be asked, why did the BBC and Sky News give so much coverage (on the BBC it was an hour uninterrupted coverage for these people to spread their hate last night on primetime television) to this group last night? He's pretty good actually, says we have to deal with Islamism in the same way society deals with racism, it shouldn't be tolerated and there can be no 'buts' when condemning it. Says he thinks how polite Britain is can also be a problem when tackling these issues as as a people and nation we just don't want to confront things.
Merging Cultures Posted 27 February 2015 Posted 27 February 2015 That's unfair. It's happened to me loads of times. I go on holiday get off the plane and lo and behold there's a terrorist training camp across the road from the hotel. To be fair, that does happen to me quite frequently.
Collymore Posted 27 February 2015 Posted 27 February 2015 Can you imagine Stringer doing these interviews....
Buce Posted 27 February 2015 Posted 27 February 2015 Can you imagine Stringer doing these interviews.... What do you think the cut-throat gesture was about...?
Fox92 Posted 2 March 2015 Posted 2 March 2015 Oh, has anybody seen this http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/isis-desperate-mum-told-youve-5257013 ISIS: Desperate mum told 'you've just eaten your son' after visiting militants' base in search of kidnap victim Thrown off a building, stoned to death and then cooked wtf.
johnny the fox Posted 2 March 2015 Posted 2 March 2015 Still don't understand all this fuss over Jihadi John.... you cut off a few lousy heads and everybody makes a big deal over it..
MikeyT Posted 3 March 2015 Posted 3 March 2015 Oh, has anybody seen this http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/isis-desperate-mum-told-youve-5257013 Thrown off a building, stoned to death and then cooked wtf. My mind can't process these people. Just absolutely sickening.
leicsmac Posted 3 March 2015 Posted 3 March 2015 Oh, has anybody seen this http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/isis-desperate-mum-told-youve-5257013 Thrown off a building, stoned to death and then cooked wtf. As if there was any more proof needed that they value the lives of others as practically nothing. Scum.
surrifox Posted 3 March 2015 Posted 3 March 2015 Meanwhile the beheader is enjoying his 15 minutes of fame shortly to end as a puddle of grease in the desert
Benji Posted 3 March 2015 Posted 3 March 2015 Attacking our intelligence services for accusing a man of being an extremist, who has since been shown to behead hostages (including aid workers). Only in this country.
leicsmac Posted 3 March 2015 Posted 3 March 2015 Attacking our intelligence services for accusing a man of being an extremist, who has since been shown to behead hostages (including aid workers). Only in this country. Yeah. I'm all for accountability for those who work in the shadows but I'm inclined to believe that they got this one right. Still, I'd rather have them annoyed at being held accountable than the alternative.
Carl the Llama Posted 3 March 2015 Posted 3 March 2015 Regarding that Kay Burley interview, shoot me down if you like, but: "What level of harrassment by the security services here in the UK justifies beheading" is an imbecilic loaded opening question, even more imbecilic is that she keeps pushing him on how he feels about the beheading when he clearly responds to the opener with "it's not about justifying it, it's about looking at the causes of it so we can make everybody safer". He would have done himself a lot of favours by not reacting so indignantly to her line of questioning, but I can't be the only one who viewed him as clearly against the executions.
bovril Posted 5 March 2015 Posted 5 March 2015 http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/03/isil-fighters-bulldoze-ancient-assyrian-palace-iraq-150305195222805.html So tragic. These people are at war with civilization itself.
leicsmac Posted 6 March 2015 Posted 6 March 2015 http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/03/isil-fighters-bulldoze-ancient-assyrian-palace-iraq-150305195222805.html So tragic. These people are at war with civilization itself. Exactly. Or at war with any version of civilisation other than the perverted book-thumping dictatorship they follow. Fascism by any other name, really.
bovril Posted 6 March 2015 Posted 6 March 2015 Exactly. Or at war with any version of civilisation other than the perverted book-thumping dictatorship they follow. Fascism by any other name, really. Indeed. It's not a 'medieval' version of Islam as some commentators put it. There is no precedent for what ISIS and the Taliban have done, destroying artwork and archeological sites like this. It's very modern thuggish totalitarianism. No different from Nazis burning modern art or Communists destroying churches. And it flourishes in a vacuum created by war, greed and destruction.
Dr The Singh Posted 6 March 2015 Posted 6 March 2015 Indeed. It's not a 'medieval' version of Islam as some commentators put it. There is no precedent for what ISIS and the Taliban have done, destroying artwork and archeological sites like this. It's very modern thuggish totalitarianism. No different from Nazis burning modern art or Communists destroying churches. And it flourishes in a vacuum created by war, greed and destruction.I think people should understand Islam and study Islamic history and see what The prophet got upto. These guys are just following his ways to a certain extent
Rincewind Posted 6 March 2015 Posted 6 March 2015 its what religion is all about. following old myths legends and traditions that have no relevance in the 21st century. if only they updated now and again it wouldnt be so bad
MikeyT Posted 8 March 2015 Posted 8 March 2015 http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/boko-haram-militants-ally-with-islamic-state/ar-AA9v8vL Nigerian militant group Boko Haram has pledged allegiance to Islamic State in an audio statement, according to SITE. The monitoring group said part of the message, which has been translated from Arabic, read: "We announce our allegiance to the Caliph of the Muslims Ibrahim ibn Awad ibn Ibrahim al-Husseini al-Qurashi and will hear and obey in times of difficulty and prosperity." The pledge of allegiance has been attributed to Boko Haram leader Abubakar Shekau. Ibrahim ibn Awad ibn Ibrahim al Husseini al Qurashi - better known as Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi - is the leader of Islamic State. He has already accepted pledges of allegiance from other jihadist groups in the Middle East, Afghanistan, Pakistan and north Africa. Boko Haram has staged a military campaign to establish its own Islamic caliphate in northern Nigeria over the last six years. On Saturday, four bomb blasts killed at least 50 people in the city of Maiduguri in some of the worst attacks since Boko Haram militants tried to capture the town in two major assaults earlier this year.
MikeyT Posted 10 March 2015 Posted 10 March 2015 http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/09/foreigners-kidnapped-from-libyan-oil-field Libya says Isis killed 8 guards and kidnapped 9 foreigners from oilfield Libyan guards beheaded and workers from Philippines, Austria, Czech Republic, Bangladesh and Ghana abducted; official says Isis is seeking control of Libya’s petroleum industry Militants from Libya’s Islamic State (Isis) affiliate abducted nine foreigners, including four Filipinos, in an attack on a central oilfield last week and beheaded eight Libyan guards, officials said on Monday. The attack last Friday on the al-Ghani oilfield near the town of Zalla, 750km (470 miles) south-east of the capital, Tripoli, was part of a series of deadly assaults on Libya’s oil infrastructure by Isis. The attacks in recent weeks have forced Libya to declare 11 fields non-operational, including al-Ghani, and invoke a force majeure clause that exempts the state from contractual obligations. Libya’s military spokesman, Ahmed al-Mesmari, warned on Monday that Isis militants’ long-term goal is to take over Libya’s petroleum industry. “This is the lifeline of the Libyan people,” he said, adding the consequences of such a loss would be dire. During the attack on al-Ghani, an employee watched the beheadings of the eight oil guards and subsequently died of a heart attack, al-Mesmari also said. He did not elaborate on how the army knew about the beheadings but the force serving as oil guards is closely allied to the Libyan military, which answers to the eastern-based government, one of Libya’s two rival governments. Meanwhile, authorities in the Philippines said four of their nationals were among the nine abducted from the oil field. An Austrian, a Czech, a Bangladeshi and a Ghana national were also taken. One hostage remains unidentified. Department of foreign affairs spokesman Charles Jose said Manila was working with the employer of the nine workers, Austrian-owned VAOS Oil, and the Libyan government and embassies of the other foreigners abducted. The incident brings the total number of Filipinos missing in Libya to seven. Three others were snatched in another oil field on 3 February and their whereabouts also remain unknown. Jose also appealed to around 4,000 Filipinos still in Libya to get in touch with the Philippine embassy and use the government’s mandatory repatriation programme which covers the cost of travel back to the Philippines. The al-Ghani oilfield had suspended operation for two weeks prior to the attack and most of the workers had left by the time the gunmen arrived there, he added. On Sunday, Philippine diplomats met with 52 other Filipino employees of VAOS Oil at the company’s headquarters in Tripoli. Jose said 36 of the 52 Filipinos want to go home and more are expected to sign up for repatriation in the coming days. The Philippines is among the world’s top labour exporters with about a tenth of its 100m people working abroad. Three years after Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi was overthrown in an Arab Spring-inspired uprising, Libya is bitterly divided between two rival governments and a wide array of militias. The internationally recognised government and parliament were forced to relocate to the country’s far east after Tripoli fell to Islamist-allied militias last summer. Al-Mesmari, the Libyan army spokesman, said that following the attack on al-Ghani, fighter jets took off from the Ras Lanouf port on Libya central coastline and targeted the militants. Earlier, Tripoli-based militias said their own fighter jets tried to stop the attack on al-Ghani but failed. The Libyan turmoil has provided fertile ground for militants allied with Isis, which is fighting in Iraq and Syria to expand its self-styled caliphate. The Libyan Isis affiliate now controls the eastern city of Darna and also Sirte, and has carried out several deadly suicide bombings across the country. In January, militants from Libya’s Isis affiliate stormed a luxury hotel in Tripoli, and in February, they released a video showing the beheading of 21 captured Egyptian Christians. The Egyptian military launched airstrikes on Darna in retaliation.
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