fleckneymike Posted 8 November 2015 Posted 8 November 2015 Just me who thought Watford were bang average? Apart from that Ighalo chance in the first half they did nothing, Morgan & Huth bossed the rest of the game. Their defence in particular were poor, some of the clearances were atrocious, especially from Cathcart & Britos. First half was average from both sides & very tight, second half we were much the better side, Watford after their penalty tried to press but still created nothing. Don't think Watford will go down though, about 5-6 teams are worse than them. The major difference was the swirling wind. We struggled first half to just the light and length of passes, they struggled second half.
Dan Posted 8 November 2015 Posted 8 November 2015 Very similar to what I expected. Watford are a good side and will survive easily. On another level to the likes of Sunderland, Villa, Bournemouth, Norwich, West Brom etc... but there are faults to them, they were pretty weak after we went ahead and didn't really threaten other than being gifted a penalty. We were quite lucky on the day really. Gomes has absolutely gifted us that game. But... I'm not reading into it. Just think how often this kind of thing went against us last season. Once again I'm struggling for our best player, that is not a bad thing. EDIT: Just re-read this. What a disgusting lack of praise for how good a side we've turned into. I'm confident we'll finish at least in the top half now.
fleckneymike Posted 8 November 2015 Posted 8 November 2015 You thought they played well yesterday? Deeney was anonymous other than his penalty and Im not sure whether ighalo has found his way out of Morgan's pocket. Other than a pretty even first half they were shite yesterday and we were worthy winners. Other than a mistake from Kante for their penalty I genuinely wasn't concerned for anything other than a win and it was only a tense finish because they'd got a consolation. Except for the occasion when Deeney passed to Ighalo who touched it past Morgan and his the frame of the goal.
Nalis Posted 8 November 2015 Posted 8 November 2015 You have my respect. Which of course means more to you than a few hundred quid. True mate, its priceless.
Matt Posted 8 November 2015 Posted 8 November 2015 Just me who thought Watford were bang average? Apart from that Ighalo chance in the first half they did nothing, Morgan & Huth bossed the rest of the game. Their defence in particular were poor, some of the clearances were atrocious, especially from Cathcart & Britos. First half was average from both sides & very tight, second half we were much the better side, Watford after their penalty tried to press but still created nothing. Don't think Watford will go down though, about 5-6 teams are worse than them. Nope, I didn't they were up to that much really either, i'm not sure where people are coming from saying they were good. Maybe i'm in the wrong but for me they came the play headball and ruin the game, they stink of a Championship team, they're tough to beat i'll give them that because of the two points i've made which I suppose if they can get through this season and survive then it's been successful for them, then they can look at improving their style but I wouldn't call them good from yesterdays showing.
sdb Posted 8 November 2015 Posted 8 November 2015 Watford won me around a little yesterday. Fans walking to the ground seemed nice, Deeney in the tunnel cam vid seems sound enough and he congratulated Morgan after that class header out for a corner. They didn't dive or moan about the little gamesmanship tactics we were so naiive to last season. They put the ball out as soon as Vardy went down and even half their team motioned to our bench. Can't believe i'm saying it but really want them to stay up - which they certainly will.
Itsblueuptnorth Posted 8 November 2015 Posted 8 November 2015 Except for the occasion when Deeney passed to Ighalo who touched it past Morgan and his the frame of the goal. Okay so one occurrence which constituted about 8 seconds of the 90 minutes, and it wasn't even a shot on target! For me, Watford came for a 0-1 yesterday and played negatively, they were okay in the first half but were poor for the second. If they'd have actually gone for it they could have caused us some problems, they have a lot of pace in their side but they chose to pack their midfield instead, even Deeney was in their for quite long spells, and that was their downfall IMO.
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 8 November 2015 Posted 8 November 2015 I'd say there have been 2 absolute stonewallers in the last 2 games - yesterday's and the Huth barge on Fletcher at WBA. There has been 1 (in my view) incorrectly given and a couple of "seen them given"s too over the last 3 games. The thing is that last year the "seen them given"s were all going against us. There's no doubt that we're a much better side this year than last but part of it is (comparatively speaking) getting the rub of the green with opposition howlers and penalty decisions. Last year we got absolutely shafted by the officials for the first 6 months of the season (starting on the first day when Gareth Barry inexplicably wasn't sent off) and then probably had a fairly even run of it for the last few games. This year we're probably marginally up on contentious decisions. In the Palace and West Brom games there could have been 5 penalties given against us, albeit only one looked blatant and that wasn't the one given at the Hawthorns, whilst Vardy got a very cheap penalty at Norwich and Schmeichel could easily have given away a penalty/red card at Upton Park. Yes, some things have gone the other way (Mahrez should have had a penalty against Spurs, Lee Mason was abject in the first game against Sunderland and we certainly weren't looked upon favourably in the Arsenal game) but overall I think we've done quite well out of the officials so far this season. I actually thought that the referee yesterday, Roger East, was excellent. Barely showed a card, allowed the game to flow and got the two key decisions spot on (the linesman in front of the West Stand didn't signal for a penalty for the Gomes foul on Vardy, he flagged for a foul but not the pen). Best referee we've had this season for sure. I do agree with you comments regarding last season. Zaha's was a clear dive rightly punished by a yellow - agreed. However, Fletcher - no pen. If you watch the replay he controls the ball with his bicep just before Huth takes him out. Regarding yesterday how can you say East had a good game, when he failed the implement a basic rule of the game when failing to send off Gomes. His not sending the keeper off could well have contributed to a game changing situation - them playing the remainder of the game with 11 not 10. Gomes took Vardy out as the last man. Whether defenders would have got back to stand on the line is immaterial. Gomes prevented a clear goal scoring opportunity therefore it's a red. The rules don't say it has to be an absolute certain goal!
Thracian Posted 8 November 2015 Posted 8 November 2015 It's just a thought but if Mahrez had taken our penalty and scored we'd have had Jamie Vardy as the Premierships top scorer this season and Mahrez second.
suffolk fox Posted 8 November 2015 Posted 8 November 2015 Nope, I didn't they were up to that much really either, i'm not sure where people are coming from saying they were good. Maybe i'm in the wrong but for me they came the play headball and ruin the game, they stink of a Championship team, they're tough to beat i'll give them that because of the two points i've made which I suppose if they can get through this season and survive then it's been successful for them, then they can look at improving their style but I wouldn't call them good from yesterdays showing. Hear, hear top post. I too thought they were beng average both me and my lad was screaming out first half not to be dragged down to their level hoof ball and loop it up in the air. Kept saying keep it on the bloody deck. Also noticed second half Igahla or whatever his bloody name is kept falling to the floor all falling over asking for a foul that never was. Can only beat whats in front of you though. Was well pleased cos a lot of their fans before kick off were making comments like we haven't played anyone yet and we will bring them down to earth. All time classic was the if we have delusions of finishing in the top seven we need to beat cannon fodder like these. I for one am so pleased we won this.
foxfanazer Posted 8 November 2015 Posted 8 November 2015 Apart from that Ighalo chance they did nothing to threaten us. Wes and Huth marked Deeney and Ighalo's cards early on As for these mistakes from opposition players its really no coincidence. Ok Gomes 1st mistake is nothing to do with us but his second was and many others this season have been down to our high tempo pressing game
yorkie1999 Posted 8 November 2015 Posted 8 November 2015 I do agree with you comments regarding last season. Zaha's was a clear dive rightly punished by a yellow - agreed. However, Fletcher - no pen. If you watch the replay he controls the ball with his bicep just before Huth takes him out. Regarding yesterday how can you say East had a good game, when he failed the implement a basic rule of the game when failing to send off Gomes. His not sending the keeper off could well have contributed to a game changing situation - them playing the remainder of the game with 11 not 10. Gomes took Vardy out as the last man. Whether defenders would have got back to stand on the line is immaterial. Gomes prevented a clear goal scoring opportunity therefore it's a red. The rules don't say it has to be an absolute certain goal! If vardy had been within the width of the 6 yard box it would have been a sending off, but being on the edge of the penalty area I think the ref got it right.
Webbo Posted 8 November 2015 Posted 8 November 2015 I think the people praising Watford are referring to their defensive display which was pretty good.
The Doctor Posted 8 November 2015 Posted 8 November 2015 If vardy had been within the width of the 6 yard box it would have been a sending off, but being on the edge of the penalty area I think the ref got it right. I don't see that the position makes that much of a difference, the question is if it's a clear goal scoring opportunity, and well if gomes doesn't bring him down it's a tap-in
Guest ttfn Posted 8 November 2015 Posted 8 November 2015 I don't see that the position makes that much of a difference, the question is if it's a clear goal scoring opportunity, and well if gomes doesn't bring him down it's a tap-in Sorry Doc but I couldn't disagree more.The speed he's running at, the fact that he's not running directly at the goal, the fact that he's pretty much on the corner of the penalty area and the angle isn't brilliant - even with the form he's in it would have been a hell of a finish, especially with a couple of Watford players running directly back towards the goal to cover. A goalscoring opportunity? Probably. A "clear" goalscoring opportunity? I don't think so and I was adamant at the time that Gomes should have walked.
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 8 November 2015 Posted 8 November 2015 I don't see that the position makes that much of a difference, the question is if it's a clear goal scoring opportunity, and well if gomes doesn't bring him down it's a tap-in Right on Doc
The Doctor Posted 8 November 2015 Posted 8 November 2015 Sorry Doc but I couldn't disagree more.The speed he's running at, the fact that he's not running directly at the goal, the fact that he's pretty much on the corner of the penalty area and the angle isn't brilliant - even with the form he's in it would have been a hell of a finish, especially with a couple of Watford players running directly back towards the goal to cover. A goalscoring opportunity? Probably. A "clear" goalscoring opportunity? I don't think so and I was adamant at the time that Gomes should have walked. He may be going slightly wide but he's got the pace to catch the ball with a decent angle definitely, particularly given the touch wasn't bad at all to knock it past Gomes. There's players retreating sure, but they're also a few yards behind him and with his pace they're not catching him before he can get a shot away - and I don't see how a shot at an empty goal with a reasonable angle (certainly better than the one from which he scored from vs Arsenal) can't be considered a clear opportunity.
Guest ttfn Posted 8 November 2015 Posted 8 November 2015 He may be going slightly wide but he's got the pace to catch the ball with a decent angle definitely, particularly given the touch wasn't bad at all to knock it past Gomes. There's players retreating sure, but they're also a few yards behind him and with his pace they're not catching him before he can get a shot away - and I don't see how a shot at an empty goal with a reasonable angle (certainly better than the one from which he scored from vs Arsenal) can't be considered a clear opportunity. They're not catching him before he gets the shot away but there's a great chance they're getting back to stop a shot on the line - It's not about whether Vardy can score from where he is, it's about whether he's got a good chance of scoring. I really don't think he did.
Harry - LCFC Posted 8 November 2015 Posted 8 November 2015 Also forgot to mention, the defence looked the most solid I have seen all season, The back 4 all defenced superbly against a difficult Watford attack. Morgan and Huth intercepted,battled and won a lot of ariel challenges. And Simpson and Fucts stuck to their tasks well rarely getting beaten. On a side note Thoufgt the Watford right back looked a strong decent player didn't know his name tho. I agree. We've been a lethal attacking force all season but in the last three games we've defended well too. I think overall we're performing slightly better than we were at the beginning of the season.
Guest ttfn Posted 8 November 2015 Posted 8 November 2015 As an aside Quique Sanchez Flores ran past me on Hampstead Heath earlier which was a bit weird.
cjslcfc Posted 8 November 2015 Posted 8 November 2015 You can see why Watford haven't conceded too many this season. They are generally pretty solid and nullified us for most of the game yesterday. However, despite having Ighalo and Deeney you can see why they struggle to score goals. They created very little and lack the creativity from central midfield to provide a few more goals. I think they will be absolutely fine this season, based on their defence and general solid and organised approach. My god they sucked the life out of the game yesterday, though. Tried to play at a continental pace, which was probably deliberate considering we like to play at such a high tempo. Still, it was horrible to watch but effective. Also lost count of the number of times Capoue chipped it into Fuchs' channel. Although Morgan had a very good game, Ighalo was still a handful. He was strong, held the ball up well and was unlucky not to score. Overall, a tad disappointing from us in the first half. Shows how far we have come that I'm disappointed with that though! Second half was an improvement and we deserved to win. Mahrez skied an easy chance over and if we'd have shot a bit more often when we had the chance it would have been nice - Drinkwater and Okazaki two examples I can remember.
smudger63 Posted 8 November 2015 Posted 8 November 2015 They're not catching him before he gets the shot away but there's a great chance they're getting back to stop a shot on the line - It's not about whether Vardy can score from where he is, it's about whether he's got a good chance of scoring. I really don't think he did. Is it a goal scoring opportunity? Yes. Is the Keeper the last man? Yes. Stonewall Red card in my opinion. Not that i`m bothered now, alls well that ends well as they say.
cjslcfc Posted 8 November 2015 Posted 8 November 2015 Also big mention to Andy King who fulfilled his brief but important role to perfection yesterday. Helped us kill the game right off.
Guest ttfn Posted 8 November 2015 Posted 8 November 2015 Is it a goal scoring opportunity? Yes. Is the Keeper the last man? Yes. Stonewall Red card in my opinion. Not that i`m bothered now, alls well that ends well as they say. "Last man" means nothing. If you're the "last man" and wipe somebody out by the corner flag it doesn't mean it's a clear goalscoring opportunity, which is what the law requires. It's a matter of interpretation as to whether or not it was a "clear" opportunity. To my mind, with the speed Vardy was running at and the not particularly favourable angle it would have had to have been a brilliant finish from there. Also big mention to Andy King who fulfilled his brief but important role to perfection yesterday. Helped us kill the game right off. Unbelievable 5 minute cameo from him. Completed all of his passes and won the ball back a couple of times too.
TrentFox Posted 8 November 2015 Posted 8 November 2015 As an aside Quique Sanchez Flores ran past me on Hampstead Heath earlier which was a bit weird.Poor, on your part. Even if you couldn't get the ball, you should have taken him down and taken one for the team.
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