Chilwell

[goose2010]

And if that's what we offer him, that's why he will move on. IF We want to be a 'big team', we have to act like 'big teams' do. We are faced with a decision re our future. Is this the 'difference of perspective' highlighted between the board and NP?

We haven't made the rules but we can't 'put the genie back in the bottle'.

Would be madness to offer him more than 8k a week, he wont be first team this season or next you wouldn't of thought even if we offer him 8k on a 4 year contract he will be 22 then and that's when you can make the judgement on his future or before if he breaks into the team before this.

[dbtcity]

I imagine he will know roughly what gray is on and will expect a wage on par with him

[CloudFox]

So he's got 18 months on his contract still? Phew, thought it was only 6 months!! Sign him up, expecting good things from him, and he will only improve learning from Fuchs.

[CloudFox]

I imagine he will know roughly what gray is on and will expect a wage on par with him

That would make sense. Even a little less with add-ons to come, considering how much senior football Gray has seen compared to him.

[st albans fox]

Would be madness to offer him more than 8k a week, he wont be first team this season or next you wouldn't of thought even if we offer him 8k on a 4 year contract he will be 22 then and that's when you can make the judgement on his future or before if he breaks into the team before this.

That's fine then. - we should get a couple million from the tribunal as we are entitled with him being under 24. Let's hope we can pick up another free like Fuchs for the season after next or unearth another gem for that couple of mill. After all, paying him 12k a week over 4 years comes to 2.4 million. 600 grand a year for who could be our first choice left back next season. if we do make European football, we will need two quality players in each position.

paying players more also raises their worth in the transfer market. We have to make a judgement on chilwell. Either he has it or he hasn't. From what I have seen at U21 and on Sunday plus the reports from Huddersfield, he has it.

There is really no comparison to be made with what happened with Martin George or Portsmouth. Portsmouth had owners with no money. The PL money was nothing like it is now. When we went bust, again the money sloshing about was nothing like it is now and again, we didn't have wealthy owners. And QPR are an interesting call but they were paying vast sums to journeymen pros with no care about how they performed, week to week.

no one is suggesting paying everyone 100k a week. But if you don't aim high, you are likely to end up struggling at the wrong end.

[Thracian]

Fuchs is a quality defender but when it comes to accurate foot-to-foot distribution Chilwell looks a natural.

Against Villa Fuchs too often just followed the rest of the side in lofting the ball hopefully forward - and losing possession - instead of passing it with purpose.      

[MPH]

Fuchs is a quality defender but when it comes to accurate foot-to-foot distribution Chilwell looks a natural.

Against Villa Fuchs too often just followed the rest of the side in lofting the ball hopefully forward - and losing possession - instead of passing it with purpose.      

 

 

 

 

 

Here we go again.....

[teblin]

Fuchs is a quality defender but when it comes to accurate foot-to-foot distribution Chilwell looks a natural.

Against Villa Fuchs too often just followed the rest of the side in lofting the ball hopefully forward - and losing possession - instead of passing it with purpose.

Crazy, best out and out left back we've had since I've been supporting Leicester which is about 27 years.

[DEMANN]

Fuchs is a quality defender but when it comes to accurate foot-to-foot distribution Chilwell looks a natural.

Against Villa Fuchs too often just followed the rest of the side in lofting the ball hopefully forward - and losing possession - instead of passing it with purpose.

You remember that goal Vardy scored against Manchester United a few weeks back?

[Guest]

Here we go again.....

Still, at least he does look better than Alan Sheehan this time

[Thracian]

Here we go again.....

 

 

If you're not concerned about the way we've started lofting the ball long or simply giving it away so carelessly of late then perhaps you should see how our goals tally has dropped and how games we should have won quite comfortably have been allowed to slip away.

We're so uninspired going forward now. There's no numbers when we break and nothing like the pace or conviction. There's hardly any movement, apart from Vardy's and none of the quick interchange of passes that used to be a hallmark of our attacking.

Vardy's fast becoming our only dangerous outlet but the opposition are aware now and we're trying ever more desperately to feed him the early ball instead of breaking fast but in other directions too and by passing the ball properly.

I've no idea why but Fuchs started doing the same against Villa and Huth was no different. Gradually there seemed to be no foundation to our attacking at all and Villa couldn't believe their luck as they were almost invited to equalise.         

[Thracian]

Crazy, best out and out left back we've had since I've been supporting Leicester which is about 27 years.

 

 

I wouldn't disagree in general. I just don't know why he's joined others in playing these hopeful flighted passes to nowhere. It's as if the team's  been told to just hold their lines and wait for Vardy to make something out of nothing. With Mahrez being out of touch and Albrighton no real danger at all just lately all the energy, passing and moving has disappeared.    

[teblin]

I wouldn't disagree in general. I just don't know why he's joined others in playing these hopeful flighted passes to nowhere. It's as if the team's been told to just hold their lines and wait for Vardy to make something out of nothing. With Mahrez being out of touch and Albrighton no real danger at all just lately all the energy, passing and moving has disappeared.

Think we are going through a spell where teams have sussed us a tad and we need to evolve a little. I'm sure he and the team will come out of it.

[Father Ted]

If you're not concerned about the way we've started lofting the ball long or simply giving it away so carelessly of late then perhaps you should see how our goals tally has dropped and how games we should have won quite comfortably have been allowed to slip away.

We're so uninspired going forward now. There's no numbers when we break and nothing like the pace or conviction. There's hardly any movement, apart from Vardy's and none of the quick interchange of passes that used to be a hallmark of our attacking.

Vardy's fast becoming our only dangerous outlet but the opposition are aware now and we're trying ever more desperately to feed him the early ball instead of breaking fast but in other directions too and by passing the ball properly.

I've no idea why but Fuchs started doing the same against Villa and Huth was no different. Gradually there seemed to be no foundation to our attacking at all and Villa couldn't believe their luck as they were almost invited to equalise.         

I disagree with that. The reason for our careless long balls is down to Ranieri's  tactics and not the personnel. Ranieri has become far more cautious within the last 6 or 7 games I would say, sitting far deeper to try and protect our poor defence. Teams have the ball against us on the half way line and we are camped on the edge of our 18-yard box. This is becoming a monotonous and negative tactic and win possession back, we are far too compact and far too deep to play out. Teams pounce on us like a rash and sometimes playing risky balls into midfield when you're so deep is just asking for trouble. Hence, the only solution is a long ball down the line for Vardy to chase. This is not Fuchs' fault. When he can, he looks to play it feet to Albrighton or inside to Drinkwater but sometimes it's just not possible.

 

Compare Fuchs to Konchesky who lumped it long at every opportunity possible and you can see the difference. The solution is to gamble a bit more and start pressing high up the pitch, harass defenders, play a higher line like we were earlier in the season rather than bottling it now.

[Thracian]

Still, at least he does look better than Alan Sheehan this time

 

 

I don't think it much matters one way or the other. I'd actually be surprised if he extends his time here. I don't think our fans are that supportive of home developed players anyway. There's no glamour to them - no big transfer fees to drool over or big club pedigree.

 

And, with the direction we're headed and the calibre of signings we're chasing, they'll probably better off moving and having the name Leicester City on their CV together with all their International age-group honours, rather than sticking around and hoping for an avenue of opportunity that will probably be a long time coming....because basically there isn't one and the club plays very little alternative football that will be useful to them.

 

Yes, they could go on loan but loanees are loanees wherever they go, just like Dyer. Why wouldn't they just join a club a bit further down the ladder and evolve with them consistently. We're always saying promising emerging players would be better off coming here rather than sitting on a bench at Manchester City or Arsenal but we're becoming one of the club's where that happens now and there's very little real encouragement - or opportunity - for our own that I can see. 

 

Now we've got stacks of money, the "new toy" syndrome has an even greater grim that it used to. 

Look at the "Transfer" pages. If even a few of those names were signed there'd be next-to-no opportunities for anyone to break through from our Academy.    

 

We're not the only club with the same problem, but we're fast going the same way as the big guns.

 

Mock me all you like but if Chilwell were my kid I'd have him based where he'll get games. What did Gray get against Villa? A few minutes yet we were awful in the second half. What a brilliant opportunity to let him shine but no - we just daren't take the risk and that's the eternal excuse. When a bloke's getting paid a lot of times more than the lad sitting on the bench the lad's got no more than a token chance of any real opportunities. Managers simply have too much to lose.

 

I just think it's a pity but I don't expect any support or sympathy.     

 

As for Sheehan I simply said he was our best dead ball specialist at a time when the alternatives were woeful. Many years have passed since, yet he's still the best we've had in that department and it's a bit of a condemnation in some ways. Other than occasionally, we just don't have a clue from set pieces.            

[Thracian]

Think we are going through a spell where teams have sussed us a tad and we need to evolve a little. I'm sure he and the team will come out of it.

 

 

I'd agree but isn't that when manager's manage and talk the energy and belief into their teams? Dour banks of defenders are hardly going to galvanise a creaking team without at least the ammunition to break fast, furious and in various places 

 

Posters on here have pleaded for weeks that we need one or even two new strikers and a specialist number 10 come the window opening. Where are they?

 

Austin's been lost because we supposedly wouldn't play him, can you believe? So exactly what kind of specialist striker might we be chasing who'll be happy to twiddle his thumbs on the bench? And are we really going to continue playing one up front because it just ain't enough? 

 

The hope was we'd break from wide with Albrighton and Mahrez but there's no sparkle.

 

Mahrez seems to be in a world of his own for whatever reason and Abrighton just doesn't have the explosiveness.

 

He remains useful in a general sense but is a compromise player - part attacker/part defender but not really a danger unless we've numbers of players providing a target.

 

Mahrez, sadly, is not much use at all if his attacking skills are neutralised so, right now, we're firing on little more than the one cylinder that is post-operative Vardy and our limitations and nervour/uncertain state of mind has already cost us points that should have come gift wrapped.

[sphericalfox]

I disagree with that. The reason for our careless long balls is down to Ranieri's  tactics and not the personnel. Ranieri has become far more cautious within the last 6 or 7 games I would say, sitting far deeper to try and protect our poor defence. Teams have the ball against us on the half way line and we are camped on the edge of our 18-yard box. This is becoming a monotonous and negative tactic and win possession back, we are far too compact and far too deep to play out. Teams pounce on us like a rash and sometimes playing risky balls into midfield when you're so deep is just asking for trouble. Hence, the only solution is a long ball down the line for Vardy to chase. This is not Fuchs' fault. When he can, he looks to play it feet to Albrighton or inside to Drinkwater but sometimes it's just not possible.

 

Compare Fuchs to Konchesky who lumped it long at every opportunity possible and you can see the difference. The solution is to gamble a bit more and start pressing high up the pitch, harass defenders, play a higher line like we were earlier in the season rather than bottling it now.

 

 

We simply cannot revert back to the way we were playing until we've had a rest, and/or bring players in who can continue that pacy and relenting style of play. Since our back-ups can't replace like for like, the current style of play allows us to put the brakes on for awhile, try soak up a bit of pressure and catch on the break (less than before) where we can.

[Strokes]

If you're not concerned about the way we've started lofting the ball long or simply giving it away so carelessly of late then perhaps you should see how our goals tally has dropped and how games we should have won quite comfortably have been allowed to slip away.

We're so uninspired going forward now. There's no numbers when we break and nothing like the pace or conviction. There's hardly any movement, apart from Vardy's and none of the quick interchange of passes that used to be a hallmark of our attacking.

Vardy's fast becoming our only dangerous outlet but the opposition are aware now and we're trying ever more desperately to feed him the early ball instead of breaking fast but in other directions too and by passing the ball properly.

I've no idea why but Fuchs started doing the same against Villa and Huth was no different. Gradually there seemed to be no foundation to our attacking at all and Villa couldn't believe their luck as they were almost invited to equalise.

Come on thrac, you taken one good game that chilwells played and one bad game that Fuchs has played and compared the twos ability on that basis. I know you aren't daft, but you do say silly things sometimes.

[Thracian]

We simply cannot revert back to the way we were playing until we've had a rest, and/or bring players in who can continue that pacy and relenting style of play. Since our back-ups can't replace like for like, the current style of play allows us to put the brakes on for awhile, try soak up a bit of pressure and catch on the break (less than before) where we can.

 

I understand and accept your point to an extent, but did we really need to put the brakes on against Villa and invite them into the game?

 

And what about our contingency preparations?

 

Schlupp's been out for months. Surely we've had stacks of time to earmark a pacey replacement.

 

And to find someone with speed, movement and attitude up front.

 

Did we seriously expect to go through a season without cover or support for our most influencial players?  

 

Our potential problems have been mentioned on here by lots of posters for months. Especially concerns about Vardy needing support. Where is that support?

[sphericalfox]

I understand and accept your point to an extent, but did we really need to put the brakes on against Villa and invite them into the game?

 

And what about our contingency preparations?

 

Schlupp's been out for months. Surely we've had stacks of time to earmark a pacey replacement.

 

And to find someone with speed, movement and attitude up front.

 

Did we seriously expect to go through a season without cover or support for our most influencial players?  

 

Our potential problems have been mentioned on here by lots of posters for months. Especially concerns about Vardy needing support. Where is that support?

 

You do realise the window is still open don't you? We clearly aren't just signing any Tom Dick or Harry. It's a difficult window to operate in, but I have confidence we'll bring a few players in that'll reinvigorate and release the pressure off individuals who have put the most miles in.

[Thracian]

Come on thrac, you taken one good game that chilwells played and one bad game that Fuchs has played and compared the twos ability on that basis. I know you aren't daft, but you do say silly things sometimes.

 

 

I'm not suggesting Chilwell replaces Fuchs if that's what you're getting at. I don't even think Fuchs played especially badly in the team context because it was an thoughtless performance in many areas. 

 

I'm not "promoting" Chilwell in any sense because, frankly , I don't see the point in him staying here. He's no chance of replacing Fuchs unless the bloke gets injured - and that means he'll be sitting around doing nothing much of the time.

 

My comment about Fuchs falling into the same aimless pattern of floating generic nothing-balls towards vague spaces and usually onto the heads of waiting defenders was merely an expression of frustration at our lack of ambition beyond our mass ranks of four - and it just invited ever more unnecessary pressure which Villa finally took advantage of.

 

I simply said that Chilwell at least looked as if passing the ball to feet was second nature - as in I wished the whole bloody side would pass the ball properly instead of giving it away for nothing.

 

I don't like hopeful high balls at the best of times - either from defenders or attackers.

 

If there's a genuine target they're fine but usually I like quick passes that are seen in advance and have a purpose - not just from one player but from everyone.

 

It's the way Arsenal play, United used to play, Barcelona play and Real Madrid too. It's not even that hard but it does take attitude and the first attitude is to stop lumping the ball to nowhere - except in emergencies.

 

Months back, when we genuinely sought to break quickly, we didn't just lump the ball. We played two or three one-touch passes to create the space for the likes of Schlupp, Mahrez or Vardy to move into and take advantage of.

 

Now we do hardly any of that. We just aim the ball into space and hope Vardy can somehow work miracles.

 

Drinkwater's not a pass-and-move player really - more a pinger of the ball over medium to longer distances when at his most constructive. Kante runs with the ball before passing and Shinji/Ulloa tend to fumble the ball or trip over it rather than adding to the flow of a move.

 

So what's gone is the quick passing-and-moving that was so often at the heart of our best moves - including, for example, on the first day of the season against Sunderland. I'd like us to get it back.  

[Thracian]

You do realise the window is still open don't you? We clearly aren't just signing any Tom Dick or Harry. It's a difficult window to operate in, but I have confidence we'll bring a few players in that'll reinvigorate and release the pressure off individuals who have put the most miles in.

 

 

I'd have thought the groundwork would have been done early given that we knew what was wanted. Yet, having already sacrificed two points unnecessarily on the back of what was an apologetic performance, there's still no signs of the striker or strikers we need so badly.

 

Nor the strong, swift replacement for Schlupp that seems almost equally important if we want to get our energy, excitement and threat back.

 

Yes, I know we've signed Gray.

 

But if a few minutes is all he's going to get to improve on the way we were playing Saturday then it's hardly a sign of faith in the guy and I can see him ending up as frustrated as Gradel.   

[char123]

I understand and accept your point to an extent, but did we really need to put the brakes on against Villa and invite them into the game?

And what about our contingency preparations?

Schlupp's been out for months. Surely we've had stacks of time to earmark a pacey replacement.

And to find someone with speed, movement and attitude up front.

Did we seriously expect to go through a season without cover or support for our most influencial players?

Our potential problems have been mentioned on here by lots of posters for months. Especially concerns about Vardy needing support. Where is that support?

Who would you go for as support for vardy??

[HoustonFox]

I'd have thought the groundwork would have been done early given that we knew what was wanted. Yet, having already sacrificed two points unnecessarily on the back of what was an apologetic performance, there's still no signs of the striker or strikers we need so badly.

 

Nor the strong, swift replacement for Schlupp that seems almost equally important if we want to get our energy, excitement and threat back.

 

Yes, I know we've signed Gray.

 

But if a few minutes is all he's going to get to improve on the way we were playing Saturday then it's hardly a sign of faith in the guy and I can see him ending up as frustrated as Gradel.

I'm hoping that CR and team realize they made a substitution and tactical error with the subs on Saturday. They normally seem to learn from their mistakes.

Also, I know we haven't been as cavalier the last few games but let's remember who we've played (Aston Villa withstanding), we played Liverpool who under Klopp, you don't know what you'll get, Man City, a good Bournemouth team who, if Mahrez hadn't missed the pen, we'd have beaten, Spurs twice and only lost one of those. Villa felt like a defeat to me, especially missing such a great opportunity to go 2-0 up and probably bury the game before half-time but we've got to keep pushing forward.

RE: the youngsters getting opportunities, I agree but I think if they are good enough, they will get in. The club is about results, not bringing through talent, much as I'd love to do both. Gray is a young talent and hopefully we will progress him. Albrighton and Drinkwater have shown that you can get a regular spot through grind and application of talent. I don't agree with your earlier comment that we are buying for the sake of it, I still think it is very targeted. Chilwell is the second choice left back of a top Prem team at what, 19? I wouldn't say he is doing too badly. I expect him to start on Wed. Shame we don't use him on the bench more but I would say that's because RDL covers both full back spots from the bench, as does Jeff covering LB when he's back.

[Vardinio'sCat]

If you're not concerned about the way we've started lofting the ball long or simply giving it away so carelessly of late then perhaps you should see how our goals tally has dropped and how games we should have won quite comfortably have been allowed to slip away.

We're so uninspired going forward now. There's no numbers when we break and nothing like the pace or conviction. There's hardly any movement, apart from Vardy's and none of the quick interchange of passes that used to be a hallmark of our attacking.

Vardy's fast becoming our only dangerous outlet but the opposition are aware now and we're trying ever more desperately to feed him the early ball instead of breaking fast but in other directions too and by passing the ball properly.

I've no idea why but Fuchs started doing the same against Villa and Huth was no different. Gradually there seemed to be no foundation to our attacking at all and Villa couldn't believe their luck as they were almost invited to equalise.         

 

And Chilwell is going to single-handedly turn that around, because he is a better passer than Fuchs?

 

I've only seen him play once, so I can't really contradict you, but I would suggest that Fuchs is almost certainly technically better, due to his experience and his rather useful left foot.