Mampi Posted 11 May 2016 Posted 11 May 2016 Spurs have seemed pretty average without Dembele but mainly Alli. I think the fact Alli has been out and they have been pants shows what a top player he is, Alli is a big catalyst for when they have looked class this year. Also though with players like Ryan Mason they will win nothing - how did he even get in the England team? People say without Kante / Mahrez we will be crap but if Spurs lose Alli and Kane so will they I have never rated Mason, but he has struggled coming back from injury - he was a bit better than he is at the moment when Sherwood was giving him an extended run of games in the first team - the same can be said for Bentaleb. We would struggle without Lloris, Walker, Dier, Alderweireld, Dembele, Eriksen, Alli or Kane to be honest. They are all incredibly important for us. Alli could go on to be better than Gerrard. I would give him 5000/1 odds to stay at Spurs if he did progress that much, but we can be happy it is in his best interest to remain with us for now. I thought it was interesting when Spurs played Leicester in the FA Cup. We both made quite a few changes to the first teams, and like the league games - they were all closely contested events. There certainly wasn't 1 team playing better football than the other, or getting results that really stood out as a sign of superiority. Honestly think Leicester could deal with losing a key player better than Spurs - as they have proved recently I suppose.
Sublime_Coatsworth Posted 11 May 2016 Posted 11 May 2016 It makes me laugh when Spurs fans pretend to put on a brave face and try and make out they weren't really in the running. It's like the kid at school who came in second on sports day, but said he was never really trying. EVERY SPURS FAN IS HURTING RIGHT NOW. Because they KNOW this was their BEST chance in a LIFETIME, and they BOTTLED it. There are a lot of unknowns about next season, but one thing you can absolutely guarantee is that Spurs will not be premiere league champions. They'll start the season like they ended this one, dropped points, disappointment and excuses. They simply do not have the iron will that makes champions what they are. They never fail to disappoint.
dylanlegend Posted 11 May 2016 Posted 11 May 2016 I have never rated Mason, but he has struggled coming back from injury - he was a bit better than he is at the moment when Sherwood was giving him an extended run of games in the first team - the same can be said for Bentaleb. We would struggle without Lloris, Walker, Dier, Alderweireld, Dembele, Eriksen, Alli or Kane to be honest. They are all incredibly important for us. Alli could go on to be better than Gerrard. I would give him 5000/1 odds to stay at Spurs if he did progress that much, but we can be happy it is in his best interest to remain with us for now. I thought it was interesting when Spurs played Leicester in the FA Cup. We both made quite a few changes to the first teams, and like the league games - they were all closely contested events. There certainly wasn't 1 team playing better football than the other, or getting results that really stood out as a sign of superiority. Honestly think Leicester could deal with losing a key player better than Spurs - as they have proved recently I suppose. A well balanced view from a spurs fan on an online forum.... Unbelievable Jeff!!
Richmondfox Posted 11 May 2016 Posted 11 May 2016 His personal wealth makes no difference to the clubs books. He doesn't pump in money - we are self sufficient. We do things like sell players for world record fees and take out bank loans to fund a £400m - £800m stadium. Joe Lewis will not be putting his hand in his pocket for that. Bank loans = tin pot. On a serious note, aren't you worried about that level of debt being put onto your club? I doubt it would be like the Man Utd situation where the debt is on the club with the owners cashing in shares and dividends but not reducing the debt in any hurry. If he's not dipping into his own pocket would it increase the clubs operating costs? I don't think Spurs have a great second string team judging by the Dortmund and cup displays so you would need to buy in, along with extra ground rents and wages could make for some lean times ahead. Also could I ask the question to a Spurs fan on what they make of your club ambassador Ledley King's violent, unprovoked racist attack on a man trying to do his job? It seems to go unmentioned on your forums but they think Vardy should be banished from the country.
Mampi Posted 11 May 2016 Posted 11 May 2016 Bank loans = tin pot. On a serious note, aren't you worried about that level of debt being put onto your club? I doubt it would be like the Man Utd situation where the debt is on the club with the owners cashing in shares and dividends but not reducing the debt in any hurry. If he's not dipping into his own pocket would it increase the clubs operating costs? I don't think Spurs have a great second string team judging by the Dortmund and cup displays so you would need to buy in, along with extra ground rents and wages could make for some lean times ahead. Also could I ask the question to a Spurs fan on what they make of your club ambassador Ledley King's violent, unprovoked racist attack on a man trying to do his job? It seems to go unmentioned on your forums but they think Vardy should be banished from the country. It depends on the sources you want to listen to - but Spurs are in very good financial health. Here is last years financial report for those looking for exact figures; http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/uploadedFiles/Shared_Assets/Documents/Annual_Reports/annual-report-2015.pdf But this (although it's Daily Mail) is quite an interesting snapshot of what was going on at the start of the season. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3016432/Club-club-guide-Premier-League-s-financial-health.html Leicester even now have more reason to worry about finances than Spurs - but isn't their little comment about Leicester's survival chances quite funny now? (Spurs and Swansea seem to be the only clubs not in debt - whereas Chelsea are a billion in debt) Leicester Income: £23m (Breakdown of Leicester’s income unclear) Wages: £30m (130% of income) Pre-tax loss: £20m Debt: £103m Financial picture is as clear as their survival chances — not good. Loss-making, dependent on owners. Tottenham Income: £181m (MD £44m, TV £95m, Com £42m) Wages: £105m (58% of income) Pre-tax profit: £36m Debt: Zero Daniel Levy drives a hard bargain. He also runs a tight ship. In shape to challenge the top four. Leicester and QPR were the only teams paying more out in wages than their income. Not a good place to be. Moving to a new stadium won't be easy, and it will be a good excuse to sell our best players when the time comes - but we simply need a new ground and the area needs the re development. We have a 36,000 stadium, with a season ticket waiting list of 45,000. I am one of the 100,000 paying members, and number 15,000 in the season ticket waiting list which I have been on since I was 18 and ale to afford it (I'm now 31). This season has been hard to get tickets. You log on the website an hour before they go on sale, wait 1-2 hours in a queue, then get a 'sold out' message - and this is selling tickets at a very high price - I paid £84 for West Ham and £88 for Chelsea (0-0 bore). With 61,000 seats and a set of fans willing to pay 'London prices', as well as hosting NFL on our retractable pitch amongst other events - our long term revenue will look very rosy. So no, I'm not worried about taking out loans for the stadium when the people doing the business are shrewd and experienced - not foreigners using a club as their toy or 'play thing'. (That's not a dig at Leicester - more at City, Cardiff, Chelsea) As for Ledley King.. I'm still gutted I didn't get to see King Campbell partnership for Spurs. They were both in the top 5 defenders I have ever seen in my life - genuine world class. He deserves a role at the club for being our '1 club man', but meaning no disrespect to him - I think he is a bit dim. He isn't very eloquent - and like so many footballers running on such high adrenaline, he got in some stupid trouble that is shameful and probably overlooked a little bit because he is black. That being said - I have even less respect for those that beat up their wives. (Danny Simpson) but I know he isn't 'club ambassador'. That title is just some bullshit made up for Ledley to keep him busy anyway.
chapero82 Posted 11 May 2016 Posted 11 May 2016 It depends on the sources you want to listen to - but Spurs are in very good financial health. Here is last years financial report for those looking for exact figures; http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/uploadedFiles/Shared_Assets/Documents/Annual_Reports/annual-report-2015.pdf But this (although it's Daily Mail) is quite an interesting snapshot of what was going on at the start of the season. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3016432/Club-club-guide-Premier-League-s-financial-health.html Leicester even now have more reason to worry about finances than Spurs - but isn't their little comment about Leicester's survival chances quite funny now? (Spurs and Swansea seem to be the only clubs not in debt - whereas Chelsea are a billion in debt) Leicester Income: £23m (Breakdown of Leicester’s income unclear) Wages: £30m (130% of income) Pre-tax loss: £20m Debt: £103m Financial picture is as clear as their survival chances — not good. Loss-making, dependent on owners. Tottenham Income: £181m (MD £44m, TV £95m, Com £42m) Wages: £105m (58% of income) Pre-tax profit: £36m Debt: Zero Daniel Levy drives a hard bargain. He also runs a tight ship. In shape to challenge the top four. Leicester and QPR were the only teams paying more out in wages than their income. Not a good place to be. Moving to a new stadium won't be easy, and it will be a good excuse to sell our best players when the time comes - but we simply need a new ground and the area needs the re development. We have a 36,000 stadium, with a season ticket waiting list of 45,000. I am one of the 100,000 paying members, and number 15,000 in the season ticket waiting list which I have been on since I was 18 and ale to afford it (I'm now 31). This season has been hard to get tickets. You log on the website an hour before they go on sale, wait 1-2 hours in a queue, then get a 'sold out' message - and this is selling tickets at a very high price - I paid £84 for West Ham and £88 for Chelsea (0-0 bore). With 61,000 seats and a set of fans willing to pay 'London prices', as well as hosting NFL on our retractable pitch amongst other events - our long term revenue will look very rosy. So no, I'm not worried about taking out loans for the stadium when the people doing the business are shrewd and experienced - not foreigners using a club as their toy or 'play thing'. (That's not a dig at Leicester - more at City, Cardiff, Chelsea) As for Ledley King.. I'm still gutted I didn't get to see King Campbell partnership for Spurs. They were both in the top 5 defenders I have ever seen in my life - genuine world class. He deserves a role at the club for being our '1 club man', but meaning no disrespect to him - I think he is a bit dim. He isn't very eloquent - and like so many footballers running on such high adrenaline, he got in some stupid trouble that is shameful and probably overlooked a little bit because he is black. That being said - I have even lehttp://m.leicestermercury.co.uk/Future-City-secure-owner-wipes-huge-debts/story-20352762-detail/story.htmlssrespect for those that beat up their wives. (Danny Simpson) but I know he isn't 'club ambassador'. That title is just some bullshit made up for Ledley to keep him busy anyway. You do realise the debt was written off don't you? http://m.leicestermercury.co.uk/Future-City-secure-owner-wipes-huge-debts/story-20352762-detail/story.html
The Doctor Posted 11 May 2016 Posted 11 May 2016 Citing the daily mails debt statistics which were 18 months out of date before they were even printed Cool, if we're going to start flinging random accusations at each other, at least we didn't burn down a business for refusing to move for our new ground: http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/major-fire-at-last-remaining-business-on-site-of-spurs-planned-new-stadium-9881105.html
Mampi Posted 11 May 2016 Posted 11 May 2016 You do realise the debt was written off don't you? Leicester's debt? No, I have very little knowledge of your finances. I have read that there have been some dodgy sponsorship deals, but £100m debt becomes very manageable when you are in the Champions League, on TV every week, and getting the full Premier League prize money. Leicester's figures will look so very different for the next 2 years at least. Lets be honest - it wouldn't be a terrible move to sell Mahrez for £60m or so - which would be something like 10% - 20% cost of a modest new stadium. (Although the new Filbert Street is not very old). You will always have your name on the cup, but it would be nice to see a legacy left behind. With poor ownership you could be back in the Championship with nothing to show from topping English football in a few years, but although I moan about foreign owners, I do think your guy is going about it in the right way. Think I saw he gave £2m to charity or something recently? What a gesture. I don't know the City of Leicester, but would expect youth centres, sport facilities and charities would appreciate funding and development for example.
Mampi Posted 11 May 2016 Posted 11 May 2016 Citing the daily mails debt statistics which were 18 months out of date before they were even printed Cool, if we're going to start flinging random accusations at each other, at least we didn't burn down a business for refusing to move for our new ground: http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/major-fire-at-last-remaining-business-on-site-of-spurs-planned-new-stadium-9881105.html It says updated June 2015, which if accurate for the start of this season is very relevant - as that is how you went in to a league winning season. Not sure why you think it's an accusation. I don't know the finances of Leicester - nor do they by their 'un clear' comment. If you're not in debt - that's great. I don't think Premier League teams should be allowed to operate at a loss when looking at the TV money, and FFP should be a lot tighter. How Man City haven't broken FFP rules I will never know.
The Doctor Posted 11 May 2016 Posted 11 May 2016 It says updated June 2015, which if accurate for the start of this season is very relevant - as that is how you went in to a league winning season. Not sure why you think it's an accusation. I don't know the finances of Leicester - nor do they by their 'un clear' comment. If you're not in debt - that's great. I don't think Premier League teams should be allowed to operate at a loss when looking at the TV money, and FFP should be a lot tighter. How Man City haven't broken FFP rules I will never know. So it was updated to June and was still 18 months out of date given the debt was cleared Christmas 2013. Absolutely spectacular journalism. Also, it should be quite clear given when you google Leicester debt the first result is the news reporting the clearing of the £103m debt.
orangecity23 Posted 11 May 2016 Posted 11 May 2016 Daily Mail article is cobblers, those figures are from the start of our first year back, hence the £23 million income, this was from the Championship, when all other clubs have approx 70 million at least in TV revenue. LCFC made a 26 million pound profit from last season: http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Leicester-City-black-26m-profit/story-28848176-detail/story.html
Richmondfox Posted 11 May 2016 Posted 11 May 2016 It depends on the sources you want to listen to - but Spurs are in very good financial health. Here is last years financial report for those looking for exact figures; http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/uploadedFiles/Shared_Assets/Documents/Annual_Reports/annual-report-2015.pdf But this (although it's Daily Mail) is quite an interesting snapshot of what was going on at the start of the season. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3016432/Club-club-guide-Premier-League-s-financial-health.html Leicester even now have more reason to worry about finances than Spurs - but isn't their little comment about Leicester's survival chances quite funny now? (Spurs and Swansea seem to be the only clubs not in debt - whereas Chelsea are a billion in debt) Leicester Income: £23m (Breakdown of Leicester’s income unclear) Wages: £30m (130% of income) Pre-tax loss: £20m Debt: £103m Financial picture is as clear as their survival chances — not good. Loss-making, dependent on owners. Tottenham Income: £181m (MD £44m, TV £95m, Com £42m) Wages: £105m (58% of income) Pre-tax profit: £36m Debt: Zero Daniel Levy drives a hard bargain. He also runs a tight ship. In shape to challenge the top four. Leicester and QPR were the only teams paying more out in wages than their income. Not a good place to be. Moving to a new stadium won't be easy, and it will be a good excuse to sell our best players when the time comes - but we simply need a new ground and the area needs the re development. We have a 36,000 stadium, with a season ticket waiting list of 45,000. I am one of the 100,000 paying members, and number 15,000 in the season ticket waiting list which I have been on since I was 18 and ale to afford it (I'm now 31). This season has been hard to get tickets. You log on the website an hour before they go on sale, wait 1-2 hours in a queue, then get a 'sold out' message - and this is selling tickets at a very high price - I paid £84 for West Ham and £88 for Chelsea (0-0 bore). With 61,000 seats and a set of fans willing to pay 'London prices', as well as hosting NFL on our retractable pitch amongst other events - our long term revenue will look very rosy. So no, I'm not worried about taking out loans for the stadium when the people doing the business are shrewd and experienced - not foreigners using a club as their toy or 'play thing'. (That's not a dig at Leicester - more at City, Cardiff, Chelsea) As for Ledley King.. I'm still gutted I didn't get to see King Campbell partnership for Spurs. They were both in the top 5 defenders I have ever seen in my life - genuine world class. He deserves a role at the club for being our '1 club man', but meaning no disrespect to him - I think he is a bit dim. He isn't very eloquent - and like so many footballers running on such high adrenaline, he got in some stupid trouble that is shameful and probably overlooked a little bit because he is black. That being said - I have even less respect for those that beat up their wives. (Danny Simpson) but I know he isn't 'club ambassador'. That title is just some bullshit made up for Ledley to keep him busy anyway. As others have said, the £100m 'debt' was put on the club by the owners for the money they had spent buying the club and other costs, the money wasn't owed to the bank (unlike QPR) but from his very deep pockets. They realised that it is wrong to put that debt onto the club so cleared the debt. The article from The Mail is misleading as it is comparing income from when we were in the Championship to other clubs that were in the Prem the year before. You say your club is debt free and healthy but if the owner takes out a £400m loan then your club will be deeply in debt. Hopefully Spurs won't fall back to their natural place in the footballing pecking order as this year they have been lucky with injuries, refereeing decisions and the big clubs not turning up.
MC Prussian Posted 11 May 2016 Posted 11 May 2016 His personal wealth makes no difference to the clubs books. He doesn't pump in money - we are self sufficient. We do things like sell players for world record fees and take out bank loans to fund a £400m - £800m stadium. Joe Lewis will not be putting his hand in his pocket for that. Excuse me, but since when is hitting the jackpot once equivalent of a regular occurrence? The reason why your club are doing so well at the moment is because of increase in TV revenue and - most of all - being prolific on the transfer market, mainly thanks to one particular transfer not so long ago. http://swissramble.blogspot.ch/2015/04/tottenham-hotspur-bottom-line.html As for the £800m sum mentioned as the club's worth: That information was spread by Joe Lewis himself, wasn't it? Tottenham's total value, inclusive of the new stadium, stands at £800m, according to club owner Joe Lewis http://www.90min.com/posts/3119674-huge-financial-backing-could-boost-tottenham-s-chances-of-keeping-mauricio-pochettino Listen, I do appreciate your input, but I sense there's a serious undertone of cynicism and a hint of arrogance going along with it, too.
Always Next Year Posted 12 May 2016 Posted 12 May 2016 Don't think that I can ever recall a more bitter bunch of fans or manager than what Spurs have. They tend to blame everything other than themselves for not winning the league. God I hope Vards takes the golden boot, that will really p-ss them off. Let's see who has a one off season next year.
thybluefox Posted 12 May 2016 Posted 12 May 2016 Mampi - you're quite honestly the most patronising opposing fan I've ever seen on this forum. Saying you've got no debt a few posts after saying you were borrowing £400mil from the bank? You know literally nothing about our club - yet think you can compare us and Spurs? You bottled it mate, you can go on about net spend, playing amazing football and having all the great young talent in the world but it'll all mean nothing in 20 years. We'll always have won the league though.
foxfanazer Posted 12 May 2016 Posted 12 May 2016 Mampi - you're quite honestly the most patronising opposing fan I've ever seen on this forum. Saying you've got no debt a few posts after saying you were borrowing £400mil from the bank? You know literally nothing about our club - yet think you can compare us and Spurs? You bottled it mate, you can go on about net spend, playing amazing football and having all the great young talent in the world but it'll all mean nothing in 20 years. We'll always have won the league though. Very well said sir
johnny the fox Posted 12 May 2016 Posted 12 May 2016 Makes me laugh when people without a pot to piss in..pontificate about high finance as if they are experts..
Mampi Posted 12 May 2016 Posted 12 May 2016 Excuse me, but since when is hitting the jackpot once equivalent of a regular occurrence? The reason why your club are doing so well at the moment is because of increase in TV revenue and - most of all - being prolific on the transfer market, mainly thanks to one particular transfer not so long ago. http://swissramble.blogspot.ch/2015/04/tottenham-hotspur-bottom-line.html As for the £800m sum mentioned as the club's worth: That information was spread by Joe Lewis himself, wasn't it? http://www.90min.com/posts/3119674-huge-financial-backing-could-boost-tottenham-s-chances-of-keeping-mauricio-pochettino Listen, I do appreciate your input, but I sense there's a serious undertone of cynicism and a hint of arrogance going along with it, too. We hit the jackpot selling Bale, but we are always good in the transfer market - and it's certainly no secret TV money is the reason behind every Premier League clubs financial situations. Even with this TV money clubs still make to make a mess of things somehow - and think that should be severely punished. I don't know about the £800m club valuation. I thought it was more like £600, and Joe Lewis wanted to sell for no less than 1 billion - but also saw a Forbes article saying Spurs are top 10 valued soccer team at around £750m. The cynicism and arrogance you supposedly sense is probably just your natural defence mechanisms. I work for Leicester FC & Tottenham FC, have a reasonable bit of 'inside information' and have respect for the way both clubs are run.
Mampi Posted 12 May 2016 Posted 12 May 2016 Mampi - you're quite honestly the most patronising opposing fan I've ever seen on this forum. Saying you've got no debt a few posts after saying you were borrowing £400mil from the bank? You know literally nothing about our club - yet think you can compare us and Spurs? You bottled it mate, you can go on about net spend, playing amazing football and having all the great young talent in the world but it'll all mean nothing in 20 years. We'll always have won the league though. We don't have debt, and the initial £400m stadium budget could end up as high as £800m by the end of the project. I didn't say we will borrow £400m - who knows what will or wont be needed. I do support your clubs HR and Payroll systems, so I do know a little bit - but nothing about the overall finances as I have said throughout. The media is my source and thank those of you that have pointed out when you cleared your debts. I can compare any club to any club - as can you if you like. What's the issue with comparing Leicester and Spurs? I haven't been talking about net spend, amazing football, children or bottles - but the stadium and area redevelopment will have an effect that lasts well over 20 years.. More like 100 years.. I'm getting the impression you scanned over parts of a couple of posts and came back shooting from the hip. Don't worry, I can forgive you. If that's patronising enough for you? Look I'm not here to flame, argue, patronise, belittle or anything negative. I can take criticism about myself or my club.
Innovindil Posted 12 May 2016 Posted 12 May 2016 "I can take criticism about myself or my club." Excellent. You're a bellend. The fact you're comparing incomes from the championship and premier league just shows how much you really know. The fact that you are pointing out every little thing to try and make our achievement seem less than it is comes across as pathetic. The fact that you feel the need to try and justify just how great spurs is compared to our "little leicester" should tell you what an achievement it is.
MrSpaM Posted 12 May 2016 Posted 12 May 2016 I'm glad you've got loads of money spurs, well done We won the league, it was ****ing amazing
Jack1993 Posted 12 May 2016 Posted 12 May 2016 last week at work we had a small celebration because we won the league, the celebration included cake and because there is not many of us here there was some left over. Left over slices were handed out to couriers, suppliers etc and our postman who is Spurs mad gladly accepted a slice and congratulated us. On that very same day we sent out an offer to all of our customers, detailing that for one week only they could receive a 20% discount due to Leicester winning the league, we received this reply; "I don't want your discount, you were lucky, I can't wait to see you get relegated next year and fail spectacularly in the Champions League, Spurs are on the up, enjoy The Championship whilst we compete for the Champions League year after year" I suppose some took it better than others
ScouseFox Posted 12 May 2016 Posted 12 May 2016 What's the issue with comparing Leicester and Spurs? no issues pal your team's highlight of the last 25 years ours
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