trabuch Posted 20 August 2016 Share Posted 20 August 2016 It's horrible watching Kante. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajthefox Posted 20 August 2016 Share Posted 20 August 2016 6 minutes ago, Finnegan said: Jon ****ing Moss. Cvnt. 5 minutes ago, adam said: I see John moss bottled sending Costa off for a dive today .He couldn't get his card out quick enough for Vardy. Another hopeless ref. Unbelievable inconsistency. How on earth could he give Vardy that second yellow but doesn't give Costa one for the most obvious diver of the year. Fvcking ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuchsntf Posted 20 August 2016 Share Posted 20 August 2016 Hull....love it..!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trabuch Posted 20 August 2016 Share Posted 20 August 2016 Hull show what team spirit can do - as we did last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oohaahmustafa Posted 20 August 2016 Share Posted 20 August 2016 Liverpool have to the most bi polar team ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammie82uk Posted 20 August 2016 Share Posted 20 August 2016 1 hour ago, trabuch said: Hull show what team spirit can do - as we did last year. Odds checker website saying hull to win the league is a popular bet @ 1250/1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donut Posted 21 August 2016 Share Posted 21 August 2016 Theres something seriously bugging me about the refereeing we see in the Premier League. Its the fact that referees cant remain balanced in their decision making and frankly, its doing my head in. Firstly, its one thing to let the game flow, but its another to not punish clear bookable offences. I felt this began in the Euros, and while i applauded the concept of letting the game flow, it also led to some questionable play on decisions, none more so than Payet coming in and clearing Ronaldo out in the final. Yes, its good to keep a game 11 v 11, but Coquelin had to walk today. It was a clear 2nd bookable challenge and that would have affected the game significant way. Its just the same with early tackles. If someone puts in an early bad challenge, its not acceptable to give them the benefit of the doubt just because its early in the game. It has to be a card. And to go alongside this, there were several fouls in the first half of our game that were deemed as play on, where it definitely wasnt preferrable to play on. We should have had a free kick, there was absolutely no advantage. Holding in the box is the next one. We see a ridiculous amount of wrestling in the box from set pieces prior to this season, a new directive comes in that there is to be a clamp down on holding, and then we see decisions like the Sterling one in the Stoke v Man City game. Its OVERDOING the directive. Sterling was just being a nuisance, he barely impeded Shawcross as he contested the header. But i can imagine now there will be an absolute flurry of ridiculously soft penalties as a means of implementing the new directive. At the end of the day its marking. Players will get tight to each other and there will be some contact. But come on, if there is a clear holding offence like the ones we saw in the infamous game between Celtic and Juve then fine but this all or nothing approach is not good at all. And then you get a situation where John Moss wont book Diego Costa for a blatant dive. I believe he didnt, because he knew Costa was already on a yellow, and that yellow was a "soft" yellow for dissent. So by whipping the card out for dissent, I think this affected what would have been a much more key decision, which would have been the dive. Obviously, watching players run up to the referee and shout at them is not something we want to see. But that decision effectively (to me) made him reluctant to referee the game properly and book the "footballing" offence. It was the same in the game v West Ham....if your putting yourself in a position where youve got players on a booking for something cheap and then dont send them off, it kind of defeats the point of the dissent directive. All in all, poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_horns Posted 21 August 2016 Share Posted 21 August 2016 16 hours ago, FireFox said: Awful from Watford to concede there. Yes - we rather threw away the game gifting Chelsea chances they weren't going to miss.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuchsntf Posted 21 August 2016 Share Posted 21 August 2016 6 hours ago, Donut said: Theres something seriously bugging me about the refereeing we see in the Premier League. Its the fact that referees cant remain balanced in their decision making and frankly, its doing my head in. Firstly, its one thing to let the game flow, but its another to not punish clear bookable offences. I felt this began in the Euros, and while i applauded the concept of letting the game flow, it also led to some questionable play on decisions, none more so than Payet coming in and clearing Ronaldo out in the final. Yes, its good to keep a game 11 v 11, but Coquelin had to walk today. It was a clear 2nd bookable challenge and that would have affected the game significant way. Its just the same with early tackles. If someone puts in an early bad challenge, its not acceptable to give them the benefit of the doubt just because its early in the game. It has to be a card. And to go alongside this, there were several fouls in the first half of our game that were deemed as play on, where it definitely wasnt preferrable to play on. We should have had a free kick, there was absolutely no advantage. Holding in the box is the next one. We see a ridiculous amount of wrestling in the box from set pieces prior to this season, a new directive comes in that there is to be a clamp down on holding, and then we see decisions like the Sterling one in the Stoke v Man City game. Its OVERDOING the directive. Sterling was just being a nuisance, he barely impeded Shawcross as he contested the header. But i can imagine now there will be an absolute flurry of ridiculously soft penalties as a means of implementing the new directive. At the end of the day its marking. Players will get tight to each other and there will be some contact. But come on, if there is a clear holding offence like the ones we saw in the infamous game between Celtic and Juve then fine but this all or nothing approach is not good at all. And then you get a situation where John Moss wont book Diego Costa for a blatant dive. I believe he didnt, because he knew Costa was already on a yellow, and that yellow was a "soft" yellow for dissent. So by whipping the card out for dissent, I think this affected what would have been a much more key decision, which would have been the dive. Obviously, watching players run up to the referee and shout at them is not something we want to see. But that decision effectively (to me) made him reluctant to referee the game properly and book the "footballing" offence. It was the same in the game v West Ham....if your putting yourself in a position where youve got players on a booking for something cheap and then dont send them off, it kind of defeats the point of the dissent directive. All in all, poor. I see some of your points...but not on Sterling. I like many have see how over the many years, this has slowly become accepted. Holding pushing is x a penalty. Like Lineker and Shearer have ofter hinted, funny how defenders and midfielders tend to accept it more, when interviewed. My view.."part of the game" is poor, Grappling trying to get your arms around you opponent, still angers and irritates the fans.I would love to see the refs give 3-4 penalties per match. Its football, not rugby... BECAUSE ITS BEEN LET GO, doesnt mean or make it right.The refs and their bosses have got it wrong for 30 +yrs now.Managers also have been wrong. Cheating by defenders, and refs cheating the fans by seeing it and ignoring it, wrong wrong...!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vacamion Posted 21 August 2016 Share Posted 21 August 2016 If Mike Dean refs us and applies those strict corner/foul rules to our defence, we'll lose 19-0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammie82uk Posted 21 August 2016 Share Posted 21 August 2016 6 minutes ago, Vacamion said: If Mike Dean refs us and applies those strict corner/foul rules to our defence, we'll lose 19-0. Wasn't He was our ref last week against Hull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox92 Posted 21 August 2016 Share Posted 21 August 2016 Just now, jammie82uk said: Wasn't He was our ref last week against Hull Yes and he was shocking for both teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxile5 Posted 21 August 2016 Share Posted 21 August 2016 West Ham are such a dirty, scummy club. Their stadium theft is entirely typical of this. The taxpayer spend +£400m and another £200m see developing it (figures taken from Sky Sports). West Ham contribute £15m. They pay **** all rent. They're a disgrace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vacamion Posted 21 August 2016 Share Posted 21 August 2016 But he wasn't giving penos away for minor infringements. Something changed during the week. Huth and Morgan are two of the leagues notable "grapplers" at corners. Gulp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corky Posted 21 August 2016 Share Posted 21 August 2016 Mark Hughes said Mike Dean "wanted to be centre of attention". Hello? Where have you been for 15 years!? Have you not watched Mike Dean referee before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vacamion Posted 21 August 2016 Share Posted 21 August 2016 If you watch Aitor Karanka with the sound down, he looks like he is a Scouser. Don't ask me why this is the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsintskaro Posted 21 August 2016 Share Posted 21 August 2016 Everton will have very good season with Bolasie,Gueye and 19 years old rb now its obvious why Walsh is gone,club did not want to bring in all these players and its obvious too leicester lacks left winger,deffencive midfielder and young rb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donut Posted 21 August 2016 Share Posted 21 August 2016 1 minute ago, tsintskaro said: Everton will have very good season with Bolasie,Gueye and 19 years old rb now its obvious why Walsh is gone,club did not want to bring in all these players and its obvious too leicester lacks left winger,deffencive midfielder and young rb Getting absolutely fed up of people talking up these two players. Gueye was relegated in one of the worst premier league teams ever and was hardly a standout performer Bolasie is erratic and Everton paid massively over the top for him when arguably Palace picked up just as good a replacement in Townsend for half the price. Yet we are talking them up like theyre Messi and Neymar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsintskaro Posted 21 August 2016 Share Posted 21 August 2016 Just now, Donut said: Getting absolutely fed up of people talking up these two players. Gueye was relegated in one of the worst premier league teams ever and was hardly a standout performer Bolasie is erratic and Everton paid massively over the top for him when arguably Palace picked up just as good a replacement in Townsend for half the price. Yet we are talking them up like theyre Messi and Neymar. At least they are better Albrighton and King/Amartey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donut Posted 21 August 2016 Share Posted 21 August 2016 3 minutes ago, tsintskaro said: At least they are better Albrighton and King/Amartey Bolasie who scored what, 2 goals and assisted barely any, is better than Albrighton who was constantly involved, works like a beaver for the team, cost 30m less and won the league? Bolasie is fast ill give you that though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox92 Posted 21 August 2016 Share Posted 21 August 2016 28 minutes ago, foxile5 said: West Ham are such a dirty, scummy club. Their stadium theft is entirely typical of this. The taxpayer spend +£400m and another £200m see developing it (figures taken from Sky Sports). West Ham contribute £15m. They pay **** all rent. They're a disgrace. It's a tenancy agreement, I don't have to tell you that. They are renting. So if the council propose this deal what are the club going to do? "No mate we'll pay more"? It's business, and good business from West Ham. How much money did the Olympic Stadium generate for us during the Olympic games? I'd say the Council made millions so it's difficult to to suggest "oh it's us paying for it". As taxpayers, we contribute to much worse - we pay for the upkeep of the Royal Family and what for? The fee West Ham pay per year is currently 2.5mill. They will pay more fees on top of that depending on what they achieve each season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsintskaro Posted 21 August 2016 Share Posted 21 August 2016 Just now, Donut said: Bolasie who scored what, 2 goals and assisted barely any, is better than Albrighton who was constantly involved, works like a beaver for the team, cost 30m less and won the league? Bolasie is fast ill give you that though. Yes he is better than Albrighton whos only strength is work rate and who was completely lost yesterday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJB-fox Posted 21 August 2016 Share Posted 21 August 2016 16 minutes ago, tsintskaro said: Everton will have very good season with Bolasie,Gueye and 19 years old rb now its obvious why Walsh is gone,club did not want to bring in all these players and its obvious too leicester lacks left winger,deffencive midfielder and young rb What on earth are you on about? Two completely different clubs in completely different positions. Bizarre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donut Posted 21 August 2016 Share Posted 21 August 2016 And the "19 year old right back" had nothing to do with Walsh either, its Mason Holgate's 2nd season at Everton. So all in all youve had a bit of a mare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsintskaro Posted 21 August 2016 Share Posted 21 August 2016 6 minutes ago, Donut said: And the "19 year old right back" had nothing to do with Walsh either, its Mason Holgate's 2nd season at Everton. So all in all youve had a bit of a mare. yeah sure Everton brought Bolasie,Leicester was after him before Walsh was gone Everton made a bid for Kalinic,there was interest from leicester before Walsh was gone Everton brought Gueye and i think Walsh was for him too before he was gone,but club brought Mendy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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