foxoffderby Posted 15 September 2016 Posted 15 September 2016 Those stats are interesting but it doesn't take into account that Chelsea play possession football with 5 in midfield. Kante plays behind Hazard, William, Matic, and Oscar who rarely give the ball away. We play a counter attacking game with more of a direct style. Matic is also a ball winner so they have 2 of the same type of player where we have Amertey.
Max Power Posted 15 September 2016 Posted 15 September 2016 Amartey has been good against Swansea and Brugge, but Ranieri has to realise that we can't rock up to big away games like Liverpool, Man Utd etc with two in midfield. We will just keep getting overrun.
AKCJ Posted 15 September 2016 Posted 15 September 2016 I don't think Amartey showed enough awareness to cope with Liverpool's midfield runners. Last night he played like Nemanja Matic of 14/15. Tackled and recycled. On repeat.
Clever Fox Posted 15 September 2016 Posted 15 September 2016 The way I see it is Amartey is the future King is the past. Now that might be a little unfair to King. But he's had is chance to really nail down a first team place over the past 5 seasons. For me he just hasn't kicked on like DD or Vardy has, and it doesn't look as if he'll will or get the chance to. That's not saying he's not a good player because he is.It's a pity because we're talking small margins. But he hasn't developed that steely determination you need at the level we're at now. For that reason it has to be Amartey, He also is a good footballer covers the ground quicker and all round has that presence we need. All he lacks is experience which you can only really get by learning on the job.
Ric Flair Posted 15 September 2016 Posted 15 September 2016 I think Mendy is more comfortable in a midfield 3 when the onus is on keeping things ticking over, his passing stats are incredible but it's because he sits in front of a back four and feeds the ball to the nearest outlet with the odd class pass up field. It's way too early to suggest he'll not fit in here but I hope we look to got 3 in the middle when we're away from home against the best sides as he could be invaluable then. Amartey vs Swansea and last night is a great combination of strength, work rate and positionally looks superb.
tsintskaro Posted 15 September 2016 Posted 15 September 2016 As already said you may win with a game against Swansea with only 2 in centre,but against Arsenal,Liverpool and etc,you will be destroyed Drinky-Amartey-Mendy for that hard games,before they buy Silva(i hope they still are for him) Saturday will be same squad i think,but i am looking for changes against Manchester
Buzzell Posted 15 September 2016 Posted 15 September 2016 If Amartey plays well whilst Mendy is out then obviously he needs to stay within the first team. The guy needs game time and this is his chance to impress.
sylofox Posted 15 September 2016 Posted 15 September 2016 2 hours ago, indierich06 said: Still haven't seen enough of Amartey. He's looked great against Swansea and Brugge, but he had an asbolute nightmare against Liverpool the other day (but then who didn't?). Would definitely stick with him against Burnley, and possibly Chelsea. Imo I do not see us putting out a full team against Chelsea CM will be king and Mendy if fit. Out wide Gray and Musa Slim and Okazaki/Ulloa up front. Kasper benched with Wasa in the back 4 with Hernandez if Simpson is fit and young Chilly at LB.
fuchsntf Posted 15 September 2016 Posted 15 September 2016 Claudio..he'll know . I have no crystal ball, but the 3 o f them will be seeing a fair bit of action.I am happy to sit back and watch them display their skills..There is not one who wont be playing during the season...
Spicer Posted 15 September 2016 Posted 15 September 2016 I feel bad for Matty James. We seem to have forgotten his existence since the injury.
zealot Posted 15 September 2016 Posted 15 September 2016 3 hours ago, lgfualol said: Amartey. But Drinkwater, Amartey and Mendy (or Dramandy) against tough teams. 3 hours ago, Wilson_6 said: Amarty and Drinkwater against teams with a brilliant midfield but when we play the top sides it needs to be a 3 of Amarty Dinks and Mendy 2 hours ago, Max Power said: Amartey has been good against Swansea and Brugge, but Ranieri has to realise that we can't rock up to big away games like Liverpool, Man Utd etc with two in midfield. We will just keep getting overrun. Absolutely - this is key. Hopefully he's learned what we've learned. We need Amartey AND Mendy alongside Drinkwater as Plan B against teams that play those little passes in front of your box. Kante mopped all that up last season. Against the Liverpools, Man Citys and Barcelonas of the world we need to pack the middle more. Even against Brugge last night you could see the amount of space in front of our back-four. The best oppo team's will exploit that: Brugge couldn't. Question is who do you drop to accommodate Amartey, Mendy and Drinkwater. I'd be tempted to have Slimani on his own up front. He held the ball up so well last night. When we need to defend a Kante-less Leicester need to line up something more like this: Kasper Simpson-Morgan-Huth-Fuchs Amartey-Mendy Mahrez-Drinkwater-Allbrighton Slimani
crazyleicester Posted 15 September 2016 Posted 15 September 2016 Not King for me. He will pop up from the bench and tick things over but for me he is not a complete central midfielder these days if playing 442. He has developed a tendency to go missing in games and hasnt got the pace to patrol the middle of the park IMO. If we go for a 451 and play three centrally then he can fit in that as he has a great knack of bombing forward and playing in the last third of the pitch. Regarding Amartey and Mendy, we shouldnt really already be in a position to make a judgement as both need chances in the role to put themselves forward. Mendy has been injured so we shouldnt be in a position to call it either way. Amartey though has managed 3 games, impressed in two and not so much at Anfield but like many others have stated, he needs a real run in the team to form a partnership with Drinky and learn the movements he needs in that position. Quite a few players over the years who are deemed as utility players end up losing the plot being 7/10 in a number of positions but never 8,9 or 10s. Milner and Rooney spring to mind in this generation and old school players like Denis Irwin and Steve Nicol from yesteryear. Amartey has done enough for me to hold the possy for now and deserves a run in the side but Im really looking forward to Mendy contributing as I think we will be singing his praises over the course of the season. He has so much going for him and is probably closer to a Danny Drinkwater type player who can block tackle and pass.
Grewks Posted 15 September 2016 Posted 15 September 2016 I said after the Swansea game, that even though Amartey was MOTM and showed glimpses of a 'Vieraesque' performance, it's unfair to rely on him in the big games to compete with the better sides. He's young and will improve. He's already bossing games like Swansea and Brugge, but he will also have off days like Liverpool. He's only gonna grow physically bigger and become more positionally aware the more he plays, but Ranieri needs to protect him. IMO Claudio failed him at Liverpool, asking him to play against a midfield with extra men.
SheppyFox Posted 15 September 2016 Posted 15 September 2016 Andy king with 0 votes whod have thought it?
Grewks Posted 15 September 2016 Posted 15 September 2016 Just now, SheppyFox said: Andy king with 0 votes whod have thought it? You could say 'invisible'.
Simo86 Posted 15 September 2016 Posted 15 September 2016 Amartey for me at the moment. I haven't seen enough of Mendy to have a strong enough opinion of what he brings to the side
notnow john Posted 15 September 2016 Posted 15 September 2016 3 hours ago, FoxonMaui said: I agree with Baylon re Mendy,don't see how he fits for us based on what I have seen so far. Think he has been struggling with the frenetic pace of the Prem. He reminds me a bit of Inler that he needs one too many touches when it comes to moving the ball forward. His passing lanes are gone by the time he goes to make the pass. The Prem is very different to League 1. He's going to need time to adjust. My fear is that we could have done much better snapping up Gueye for 7m , half what we paid for Mendy and have had the rest towards buying cover for Drinkwater. We have no one who can remotely replace Drinkwater if he get injured or tired. Let's pray he survives until January. Amazing, Mendy is 22 he's played 50 minutes in the premier league and you've written him off.
Bryn Posted 15 September 2016 Posted 15 September 2016 Amartey looked vastly out of his depth against Liverpool but good against Swansea and Brugge. I still suspect we will need to play three in midfield before long. Schmeichel Simpson Morgan Huth Fuchs Amartey Drinkwater Mendy Mahrez Vardy Slimani
sm1 Posted 15 September 2016 Posted 15 September 2016 3 minutes ago, Bryn said: Amartey looked vastly out of his depth against Liverpool but good against Swansea and Brugge. I still suspect we will need to play three in midfield before long. Schmeichel Simpson Morgan Huth Fuchs Amartey Drinkwater Mendy Mahrez Vardy Slimani Looks a good team although i'd be tempted to put Albrighton in for Mendy on the left side of central midfield.
RastaDog Posted 15 September 2016 Posted 15 September 2016 You've provided the answers but what is the question? And why "or"? Is there no case for 'and'?
Wilson_6 Posted 15 September 2016 Posted 15 September 2016 1 hour ago, zealot said: Absolutely - this is key. Hopefully he's learned what we've learned. We need Amartey AND Mendy alongside Drinkwater as Plan B against teams that play those little passes in front of your box. Kante mopped all that up last season. Against the Liverpools, Man Citys and Barcelonas of the world we need to pack the middle more. Even against Brugge last night you could see the amount of space in front of our back-four. The best oppo team's will exploit that: Brugge couldn't. Question is who do you drop to accommodate Amartey, Mendy and Drinkwater. I'd be tempted to have Slimani on his own up front. He held the ball up so well last night. When we need to defend a Kante-less Leicester need to line up something more like this: Kasper Simpson-Morgan-Huth-Fuchs Amartey-Mendy Mahrez-Drinkwater-Allbrighton Slimani Have to agree with this. We could then at least grind out a draw against the better teams instead of getting smashed.
Beliall Posted 15 September 2016 Posted 15 September 2016 Haven't seen enough of Mendy yet, but Amartey has more strength for sure, and will get better I feel with every game he plays
zealot Posted 15 September 2016 Posted 15 September 2016 1 hour ago, Bryn said: Schmeichel Simpson Morgan Huth Fuchs Amartey Drinkwater Mendy Mahrez Vardy Slimani 1 hour ago, sm1 said: Looks a good team although i'd be tempted to put Albrighton in for Mendy on the left side of central midfield. Exactly I'm afraid the formation above Bryn is not 4-3-1-2 it's a basic 4-3-3. Not enough width there and you're forcing Amartey and Mendy out of where we need them. It's a bit too narrow a formation to be effective as a Plan B. The point is to have Amartey AND Mendy in front of the back four not as wing backs! This is not for all games. We should still have a counter-attacking 4-4-2 as Plan A but we need a more defensive minded give-nothing-away option against the more possession focussed tiki-taka teams.
Mark 'expert' Lawrenson Posted 15 September 2016 Posted 15 September 2016 Amartey at the moment, King is now just a squad player and Mendy not seen enough of him yet to even form an opinion.
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