How long are you going to give Ranieri?

[suffolk fox]

2 hours ago, ozvaldo said:

I'd rather be in the Premier League next season, than qualify for the knockouts of the CL this season.  
We're never going to win the CL (or come close to doing so).  Before any skip-licking BinHead says "yer but we wun the leeg at five fousand to wun", I'm full aware of that, however the difference in standard between the PL & CL is huge in the latter stages.

 

I like him as a person and want to see him continue managing success at LCFC.  
However, I really think he's got his priorities wrong.  I think he didn't manage pre-season very well (I know not all decisions are his, but he needs to be more influential).  He's not bought very well - to go from a £30million CM target to no one is a joke (again, not all his doing, but you'd know NP would have had a back up target and wouldn't have fûcked about in this scenario).  The worst thing for me is his tactics - 442 every week home or away.  It's not working this season, we're outplayed in the midfield each week. For example, Drinky has to do literally everything and those killer balls through to Vardy aren't present as much this season because he's having to win the ball deep, turn and play a pass which is 10-20 yards longer than any last season - giving defends ample time to counter this.  
Ranieri needs to offer more support to Drinky to allow him to be the amazing playmaker he can be.  The only time this season I can remember us quickly recycling the ball which lead to the classic 'long ball to Vardy goal' was Swansea at home - Amartey wins it, instantly plays it off to Drinky, quick ball over the top to Vardy, goal.  When it works, it's lethal - but it shouldn't be our only option.  

 

Claudio, I need more tactical nouse from you.  I don't need happy, jolly press conferences with no end product.

You do realise one of the main differences this season is a lot of the teams in the premier league, have worked out how we play.  They have studied endless footage of us winning the premiership last season, watching us break quickly and have countered this.

 

many teams now sit a lot deeper when they play us pack their defence and midfield, put two men on Mahrez and so limit and nullify our supply route.

 

Vardy, is isolated up front and so we end up passing sideways and backwards hoping that space will develop.  We have changed our style this season, because of this.

 

I do believe Ranieri is trying to work on this aspect and change our playing style.  It was interesting to note on Saturday, it wasn't pretty but interestingly we had more possession than them.  That, must be the first time that has happened in the premier league.

 

You criticise Ranieri's press conferences.  Why, I don't know.  They are always enlightening and enjoyable to listen too compared to some.

 

Ranieri will correct the problems, some need to have faith.

[Wymsey]

Not even worth thinking about considering how poor they are, but if we were to lose tomorrow my patience will start to dwindle quite fast...

[Fox92]

2 minutes ago, Wymeswold fox said:

Not even worth thinking about considering how poor they are, but if we were to lose tomorrow my patience will start to dwindle quite fast...

As you're probably aware I've been very negative and critical this season but even I don't think we'll lose tomorrow. Brugge were a very poor side when we beat them earlier in the group and they still haven't won since (or even picked up a single point). I know they didn't roll over at Porto, mind.

 

Middlesbrough is the game to worry about. A very organised side who don't concede many goals at all.

 

 

[norwichfox]

Can't sack him until the Statue is finished and the bronze has got the right patina, which will take more years than I have left to live He's Leicester Folklore now and maybe an upward move to director of football in a couple of years to make room for an English gentleman replacement such as Big Sam...

[ozvaldo]

1 hour ago, suffolk fox said:

You do realise one of the main differences this season is a lot of the teams in the premier league, have worked out how we play.  They have studied endless footage of us winning the premiership last season, watching us break quickly and have countered this.

 

You criticise Ranieri's press conferences.  Why, I don't know.  They are always enlightening and enjoyable to listen too compared to some.

 

 

Hence why I say we need more than one attacking option.  Yet the amount of pointless balls forward to an isolated Vardy is pretty painful to watch.  

 

With regards to Ranieri's press conferences, maybe they make your balls tingle and your arsèhole quiver, but I'm not a "sugarcoat it" kind of cûnt.  I want it straight.  I don't want him telling me "The passion and spirit is pleasing for him", when we've lost at home to West ****ing Brom.  

[weller54]

2 hours ago, Fox92 said:

As you're probably aware I've been very negative and critical this season but even I don't think we'll lose tomorrow. Brugge were a very poor side when we beat them earlier in the group and they still haven't won since (or even picked up a single point). I know they didn't roll over at Porto, mind.

 

Middlesbrough is the game to worry about. A very organised side who don't concede many goals at all.

 

 

Boro game is a nailed on 0-0!

[suffolk fox]

17 minutes ago, ozvaldo said:

 

Hence why I say we need more than one attacking option.  Yet the amount of pointless balls forward to an isolated Vardy is pretty painful to watch.  

 

With regards to Ranieri's press conferences, maybe they make your balls tingle and your arsèhole quiver, but I'm not a "sugarcoat it" kind of cûnt.  I want it straight.  I don't want him telling me "The passion and spirit is pleasing for him", when we've lost at home to West ****ing Brom.  

How would you like him to give his press conferences then?

 

One would suggest you use appropriate language on a public forum.  You do not know me from Adam, nor I you, but to insult someone is lower than low.

 

For your and anyone else's attention our record for this season, bar friendlies reads p16, w 6, drawn 4, lost 6.

 

Hardly sacking material.  For your info also West Brom have always been our bogey team at home and are no mugs.

 

Please come back and abuse me some more you obviously get a thrill out of it.

[adam]

Why in every press conference does he say the team need to fight. It's wearing pretty thin. Almost everything he says is a repeat of the previous press conference. We need some tactics Claudio. 

[fuchsntf]

As long as his contract..!!!

No threats, no media BS, No forum BS.No presumption, or concocted forum opinions then state them has fact.

Claudio stays for me, at least this and next season.

Crap topic, just because we are doing what many expected, but dare not mention.

If we were a member of the top club brigade...we aint, but I would have another mind set.

Even from within..we have dipsticks who forget...

We know what we are,..We know  Who we are.

Anyway, I still dont know whats more fun,  Titles, or great Escapes....

[leicesterseddon]

The owners acted pretty ruthlessly with Pearson - but there were other factors involved. 

 

Even setting aside footballing achievements, his temperament/ethos will make him more popular with them.

 

And then of course the main argument to say it wouldn't happen is the greatest achievement in our history last year. 

 

I wouldn't say he's literally unsackable - but as near as dammit. 

 

Probably better to accept that at this stage and just get behind him. 

[ozvaldo]

5 hours ago, suffolk fox said:

How would you like him to give his press conferences then?

Straight.  

[volpeazzurro]

5 hours ago, suffolk fox said:

How would you like him to give his press conferences then?

 

One would suggest you use appropriate language on a public forum.  You do not know me from Adam, nor I you, but to insult someone is lower than low.

 

For your and anyone else's attention our record for this season, bar friendlies reads p16, w 6, drawn 4, lost 6.

 

Hardly sacking material.  For your info also West Brom have always been our bogey team at home and are no mugs.

 

Please come back and abuse me some more you obviously get a thrill out of it.

Agreed, absolutely no need for it and has for his assertions over transfers or lack of them or back ups for them here are a few facts:

1. He as a supporter hasn't got a clue whatsoever who Ranieri and the club really wanted and how hard they tried to get them.

2. You can only buy who is made available and who would like to come.

3. We may have won the Premiership and have a great story but some of our better targets may want just a bit more than that and I don't mean money  (ie see Kante).

4. Many foreign players like the Italian side of my family, until Ranieri came and did what we did, plus to a lesser extent the great escape,  they hadn't got the faintest idea where Leicester was! Wasn't it Marhez who was confused as he thought we were a rugby team?

5. Therefore even with money, it's hard to attract a top class established player to what is quite honestly a boil on the arse city. Even Posh Spice turned us down in favour of Milan (had the Highcross been built then possibly it may have sweetened the deal)

 

We still are essentially who we always were to the outside world yet, but now with a trophy that can't be taken back! We can afford to shop in a different market but still can't compete with the more famous names. We have to hope for the Vardy's and Marhez's of this world. For the future,  Kapustka,  Armartey and a couple of the other signings were good business but I don't think Ranieri bagained on having to play the latter yet. Who knows who they were after? They are not blind or stupid and would be well aware of our weaknesses. Certainly Ranieri has more pulling power than NP and the longer we're in Europe the better for me for the exposure.

 

Keep faith,  it will come good!

[4everfox]

Imagine a thread entertaining the idea of sacking the manager who has delivered something almost undeliverable reaching 7 pages without being locked. I feel guilty just reading it. I'd also keep Ranieri even if we get relegated. Sack the man? He deserves to have a statue, not a P45.

 

[inckley fox]

9 hours ago, suffolk fox said:

You do realise one of the main differences this season is a lot of the teams in the premier league, have worked out how we play.  They have studied endless footage of us winning the premiership last season, watching us break quickly and have countered this.

 

many teams now sit a lot deeper when they play us pack their defence and midfield, put two men on Mahrez and so limit and nullify our supply route.

 

Vardy, is isolated up front and so we end up passing sideways and backwards hoping that space will develop.  We have changed our style this season, because of this.

 

I do believe Ranieri is trying to work on this aspect and change our playing style.  It was interesting to note on Saturday, it wasn't pretty but interestingly we had more possession than them.  That, must be the first time that has happened in the premier league.

 

You criticise Ranieri's press conferences.  Why, I don't know.  They are always enlightening and enjoyable to listen too compared to some.

 

Ranieri will correct the problems, some need to have faith.

I'm sorry but the 'people have sussed us' argument doesn't do it for me.

 

Firstly, because if our system was one which could so comprehensively be planned against, then you would expect the second half of last season - when sides were playing us for the second time, when we were already top, when they'd had plenty of time to study what made us so effective - should have been measurably inferior to the first. Add to this that the tone for the season was set in that first game against Hull, who hadn't once come up against Leicester in all their glory, and it seems unlikely that sides had simply had enough time to learn how to play us.

 

And secondly, because it assumes that people are playing as well as they were last season, or at very least that their shortcomings were because sides were setting up more effectively against us. Maybe other sides are setting themselves up even more cautiously and effectively than when we were at our best, but it's also obvious that players are making more unforced errors than before. Missing more chances, completing less passes, covering less distance per game, losing out in more 50-50s, competing for less challenges, making less blocks, appearing less fit, losing pace and making more costly mistakes. If we'd gone into, say, the Chelsea game at around this time last year and played how we have played for the past couple of games, I doubt very much we'd have done well.

 

Finally, of course, is the Kante factor. We've lost one of the world's best midfielders who made a largely defunct formation (which we just happened to be familiar with) incredibly playable. And we haven't replaced him. In fact, none of those new signings who were presumably designed to steal a march on our opponents have obviously added to the quality of our line-up. All £65,000,000 of them.

 

So okay, possibly one of many problems is that sides know more about us than before. But it is, like I said, one of many problems. Poor investment, a key departure, a dodgy pre-season programme, changes in backroom staff, placing huge emphasis on European games and a change in the mentality of the players (one which Ranieri has alluded to more than once, even if he occasionally contradicts himself) are all going to be of equal, or greater, importance. And I don't think anyone should be considering Ranieri's position, but if he's still got the same desire to manage at this level then I suspect he'll already have a few regrets of his own.

[sylofox]

2 hours ago, volpeazzurro said:

Agreed, absolutely no need for it and has for his assertions over transfers or lack of them or back ups for them here are a few facts:

1. He as a supporter hasn't got a clue whatsoever who Ranieri and the club really wanted and how hard they tried to get them.

2. You can only buy who is made available and who would like to come.

3. We may have won the Premiership and have a great story but some of our better targets may want just a bit more than that and I don't mean money  (ie see Kante).

4. Many foreign players like the Italian side of my family, until Ranieri came and did what we did, plus to a lesser extent the great escape,  they hadn't got the faintest idea where Leicester was! Wasn't it Marhez who was confused as he thought we were a rugby team?

5. Therefore even with money, it's hard to attract a top class established player to what is quite honestly a boil on the arse city. Even Posh Spice turned us down in favour of Milan (had the Highcross been built then possibly it may have sweetened the deal)

 

We still are essentially who we always were to the outside world yet, but now with a trophy that can't be taken back! We can afford to shop in a different market but still can't compete with the more famous names. We have to hope for the Vardy's and Marhez's of this world. For the future,  Kapustka,  Armartey and a couple of the other signings were good business but I don't think Ranieri bagained on having to play the latter yet. Who knows who they were after? They are not blind or stupid and would be well aware of our weaknesses. Certainly Ranieri has more pulling power than NP and the longer we're in Europe the better for me for the exposure.

 

Keep faith,  it will come good!

You do realise you are on FoxesTalk?

 

You either have to over react or talk bollox.

Talking sense will get you banned

[erlee]

Looks like this article preempts it...

 

https://www.dreamteamfc.com/c/ranieri-out-why-leicester-must-sack-him-if-they-win-the-title/

[Dan]

12 hours ago, Royston. said:

You know exactly what I meant and it's true as well.

[CKB]

Of course he's not unsackable! 

 

If we are still struggling around late Jan/early Feb he may seriously be in risk of losing his job and there will be a shed load more supporters looking for a change

 

I want PL sustainability, UCL matches are great and doing what we did was amazing. But it was a one off and we must plan right for our PL sustainability and I'm not sure we have so far

[weller54]

If we get through to the KO stages (which is pretty much nailed on)... how many of the players will be 'saving themselves ' until mid February!.. by which time we'll be rooted in the bottom 3!

[Callabinho]

16 hours ago, fuchsntf said:

As long as his contract..!!!

No threats, no media BS, No forum BS.No presumption, or concocted forum opinions then state them has fact.

Claudio stays for me, at least this and next season.

Crap topic, just because we are doing what many expected, but dare not mention.

If we were a member of the top club brigade...we aint, but I would have another mind set.

Even from within..we have dipsticks who forget...

We know what we are,..We know  Who we are.

Anyway, I still dont know whats more fun,  Titles, or great Escapes....

Even if this relegation fight becomes a reality? You'd keep him? 

 

Unfortunately when things go to shit you can't replace 22 players as easily as you can a manager...if we're in or just points above the bottom three come Christmas he's gone. 

[Guest Lako42]

So sad, so quick to turn.

 

 

I remember the same shit with Pearson before he took us up, the fans looked like right dicks.

 

 

Would be great if we could act with some class regarding a manager who fulfilled our wildest dreams, not start laying into him after 12 ****ing games.

 

 

 

Quite frankly it's pathetic, a mentality akin to spoilt children who have no concept of patience or a grasp of the real world. The bloke deserves more than the usual Leicester dullards banging the misery drum this quickly.

 

 

 

[elvisfmcfly]

16 hours ago, weller54 said:

Boro game is a nailed on 0-0!

I'm worried it's a nailed on 0 1 early goal snatch,defend and grab.

[NotTheMarketLeader]

On 20/11/2016 at 21:04, Rob1742 said:

I think Ranieri is in serious danger. The owners are not sentimental. They will be seeing the money we have spent, what has risks of losing £70m Premier money per year will be. They will also be looking at signings we have made. 

 

The funny thing is, I always thought that the great creation was Nigel Pearson's. He put it all together, he created the group and Ranieri didn't have any building to do. 

 

I am not saying though that this is Ranieri's fault. I actually think, and he will know that to try and keep momentum after a massive season, with a fairly average bunch was going to be a huge task.

 

I think this is all going to spiral downwards. Mahrez and Drinkwater will get courted and unrest will follow. It may well take a new manager to try and stabilise us, rebuild and try and create a stable mid table Premier League club.

 

My prediction is that he will be gone by the end of the season if we are teatering on the brink. The owners will act to try and preserve our position. 

 

But look at it realistically, we have spent yet are not doing well. How is this going to turn around now? The strong group mentality has been broken with new team members and excisiting ones now having a massive lifestyle change.

 

Big Sam to come in and change everything around and create a new team that can stay up. 

**** me. 

 

1. Our net spend is a paltry £30m over the season not £70m. Let's get that understood first of all.

 

That's is nowhere near enough,

and that's why we are in the shit when we have replaced a world class player in Kante with King or Amartey.

 

2. Get Fat Sam in you say.

 

How utterly depressing that would be to go from Champions,to Champions League, to Fat Sam being brought in to keep us up.

[elvisfmcfly]

Looking through who we are being linked with and the fact Steve Walsh as gone and the couple of players Ranieri did sign,can't honestly say I trust him to make the right signings,and we really need to get the January transfer window bang on.

[bald reynard]

20 December 2016 (if we lose to Stoke) - see the Chelsea 2015-16 / Leicester 2016-17 thread !