How long are you going to give Ranieri?

[ithuriel]

1 minute ago, Ozwin said:

Champions League winners after getting relegated from the Prem.

 

Who'd take it?

Would rather we stayed up and won it

Though to answer the question, yes, I'd take that, would mean having to fight to get back to the Prem but we would have another impossible win tied down in the history books, would be one hell of a strange feeling too.

[erlee]

16 minutes ago, ozvaldo said:

He's clueless and too nice.

Shouting "GO, GO, GO" every time Mahrez get the ball is all he has to offer from the sidelines.

 

And yesterday shouting to Albrighton "it's ok, Marc, it's ok" when he played yet another shit ball without looking up.  He should be letting him know.  

 

He sticks with 442 even though we've lost that freak of nature, Kante, and replaces him with King, then Amartey, then King, then Amartey.  No consistency.

 

We're clearly struggling, particularly in the midfield, and he needs to pack another player in there and revert to a 352 / 451 and pick up points on the road.

 

It's becoming a ****ing joke.  And for those who say "he needs to come to terms with winning the league and managing the players' mentalities after winning the league"...well that's his job.  He should be experienced enough to know how to deal with this a lot better.  

 

 

as i said many times - i don't understand how Albrighton keep getting a start very week..

Ranieri is too scare to tinkle

[ithuriel]

2 minutes ago, erlee said:

 

 

as i said many times - i don't understand how Albrighton keep getting a start very week..

Ranieri is too scare to tinkle

Except he has not started every week and he has tinkered

[FireFox]

Give him until June. He'll retire after winning the Champions League, FA Cup, and having us top 10 in the Prem.

People saying until January, why? Even if we are bottom 4 and in a relegation scrap, we will also likely be in the round of 16. Unless he has lost the dressing room, give him time, let him sort it out.

I don't think any other available manager could do better.

 
as i said many times - i don't understand how Albrighton keep getting a start very week..

Ranieri is too scare to tinkle

His first start in a month. And he was not even close to being our worst player.

Maybe you don't understand Clauido's selections and plans because you aren't with the players 4/5 days a week. Maybe because you don't have decades of managerial experience.

[Fox92]

Just now, FireFox said:

His first start in a month. And he was not even close to being our worst player.

Maybe you don't understand Clauido's selections and plans because you aren't with the players 4/5 days a week. Maybe because you don't have decades of managerial experience.

Albrighton was shocking. One of our worst players yesterday. In fact, that left side was very poor. Everytime Albrighton got the ball he kicked it anywhere. Everybody stood near me yesterday wanted Albrighton taken off earlier than he was.

 

Claudio's tactics and selections were poor. Undefendable. I watched the team get off the bus and both Ulloa and Slimani got off yet both not even on the bench? Absolutely shocking if he's keeping Slimani for Tuesday given we're practically through - we need points in the league - because I'm not having they're both injured.

[reynard]

Personally I think he's got to Christmas. Sorry to say but football doesn't often wait for people to turn things round. At the moment we won't be able to recruit in January the quality of player required and if our position worsens then any decent recruitment will become almost impossible.

 

At the moment he seems utterly clueless. The players look demotivated and the football we are playing is so bad it is embarrassing. We are in a relegation scrap which after spending 69 million in the summer is frankly terrible. Ok the players aren't performing but the buck stops at his desk and I'm rapidly losing confidence in his ability to sort things out. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the owners weren't already contemplating a change.

[foxes21]

3 hours ago, davieG said:

The problem is the team resources and fitness/stamina not the manager.

Any replacement will face the same team problems hopefully in January he can get the players he wants like Silva and Keene or suitable alternatives to boost the squad in terms of quality, quantity and mental lift. 

 

[Guest Mickyblueeyes]

If there is no genuine direction come the end of the Christmas run, I would look at it very seriously. Simply because David Wagner at Huddersfield maybe the best option available. 

 

No One is unsackable in my opinion. The management got all the accolades last year for a well run outfit. I will be criticising them for their amateur approach to this season and I couldn't care less what "real" or "loyal" fans think about it. 

 

The start has been horrendous and the way we are playing I have little faith that there are enough positives to turn it around. They are not motivated enough to suggest the dressing room is in safe hands. The signings which have been allegedly associated to Ranieri have been atrocious. Benalouanne and Inler alone need to be questioned more.

[Mark 'expert' Lawrenson]

Does Claudio negotiate the transfer dealings?, as it's been stated many times our abysmal performance in the summer transfer market has contributed hugely to what's happening now, I don't believe he does, until I know otherwise I don't blame him for that fiasco, he is/we're stuck with what we have in defence and midfield until January, an ageing defensive 4 and a woefully short in numbers and quality midfield. 

No way he should be sacked, if he were replaced tomorrow any new manager coming in would still have only Drinky, King and Amartey as midfield choices, it's pathetic really, Premier League champions and that's our midfield.

 

[Dan]

To be honest I think he's got this season no matter what's happening. If you look at the patience we afforded Pearson, this bloke's won us the league. I don't think we'll sack him.

 

But at the same time, the expectations have changed. He could well be a victim of his own success.

 

And lets get another thing clear - whether it's his doing or not, I think the recruitment has badly let him down this season. Does no-one feel a bit concerned that we were willing to pay about thirty million for a midfielder but actually ended up with nobody? Does that not point to a significant flaw in our plan this season?

 

He may want to really shake things up and yet, he literally hasn't got the players to be able to do it. That's why for me it would be absolutely insane if he went before February.

 

But at the same time, it's unacceptable how shit we are. I genuinely believe we are a poorer team than we were two years ago. Two years ago we were in games but losing them, this year we have been absolutely garbage more often than we haven't.

[Voll Blau]

1 hour ago, Ozwin said:

Champions League winners after getting relegated from the Prem.

 

Who'd take it?

If you wouldn't, you're an idiot.

[FireFox]

28 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Albrighton was shocking. One of our worst players yesterday. In fact, that left side was very poor. Everytime Albrighton got the ball he kicked it anywhere. Everybody stood near me yesterday wanted Albrighton taken off earlier than he was.

 

Claudio's tactics and selections were poor. Undefendable. I watched the team get off the bus and both Ulloa and Slimani got off yet both not even on the bench? Absolutely shocking if he's keeping Slimani for Tuesday given we're practically through - we need points in the league - because I'm not having they're both injured.

You're singling out Albrighton for something the whole team did. Can you really say that Simpson, Morgan, Huth, Fuchs, Drinkwater, or Amartey didn't also 'kick the ball anywhere' or provided any attacking threat? And while Mahrez may have been decent, our right side was overall very poor too, not actually creating anything... though our poor left side created the goal (Fuchs throw in to Albrighton to Okazaki to Vardy).

 

Were his tactics that poor? The 1st goal was Drinkwater's fault, you can't blame that on Ranieri. The 2nd goal was a great strike, maybe it could have been prevented, but Simpson and Drinkwater didn't do enough to stop the shot. Otherwise, we weren't really that poor, it's just a lot of knee jerk overreactions. We couldn't get Vardy service, like all season, but also maybe because Watford went three at the back, which has been effective against us under Claudio. Our central midfield and Okazaki were pretty poor too, but overall the tactics aren't "undefendable". And as for the team selection, you obviously would have preferred Gray, Musa, or Schlupp to Albrighton, and maybe King to Amartey, but what other options does he have? And would that have even made a difference?

 

We just made some mistakes, and we couldn't do enough to break Watford down. Hardly unacceptable. Hardly Claudio's fault.

 

Slimani had a slight injury concern. As for Ulloa, no clue, but I agree, should have been on the bench.

 

16 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

If there is no genuine direction come the end of the Christmas run, I would look at it very seriously. Simply because David Wagner at Huddersfield maybe the best option available. 

 

No One is unsackable in my opinion. The management got all the accolades last year for a well run outfit. I will be criticising them for their amateur approach to this season and I couldn't care less what "real" or "loyal" fans think about it. 

 

The start has been horrendous and the way we are playing I have little faith that there are enough positives to turn it around. They are not motivated enough to suggest the dressing room is in safe hands. The signings which have been allegedly associated to Ranieri have been atrocious. Benalouanne and Inler alone need to be questioned more.

So our best option is someone with no PL experience, currently just over a year of Championship experience, and who might turn us down because Huddersfield are fighting for promotion.... I'd rather stick with Claudio.

 

Inler was not a Ranieri signing. Benalouanne and Mendy are the only 100% Ranieri signings (and maybe Gray and Kapi too). One who did well but couldn't get into the team because our CB partnership was excellent and then got injured. The other who also got injured. Sure, that they both got long/medium-term injuries is a concern, but you can hardly call them atrocious.

[chapero82]

I will would give him until the end of time itself

[Chico1958]

I'll bet the same question is beining asked by the people who run the club.

 

I've posted my thoughts already but just clarify

21st May 2017

 

17:00 Hours with the biggest Thank You Banner I can find.

 

Or the 3rd June 2017 in Cardiff

 

Crying my eyes out ..................... Again

Claudio I trust...............As for the rest of them, I'm not sure anymore.

 

[GloverFox]

Claudio stays until either he or the owners decide otherwise, and whilst it hurts losing another league game let's not forget where we are in the Champions League standings and with still a lot of the season still to be played out we are not that badly off the mark.

For all the clever media handling of last season and removing the pressure off the team Claudio deserves huge respect ... with that goes the respect we need to give him in regards to reshaping this squad, which has gone off the boil as they suddenly think their big-shot winners !

I think the January window should be the tool used to put a couple of them back in their box (the substitute box that is), make them re-earn their place and let them know no-one is too big for the club ... play or sit the games out like your sulking or simply not good enough!

But Claudio? .... no, that man stays and gets supported ... End of rant!

[Tielemans63]

2 hours ago, erlee said:

Ranieri is too scare to tinkle

 

Must have some serious bladder pain if that's the case.

[Vestan Pance]

What we as fans think is irrelevant, we won't be the ones doing any sacking or recruitment. There will certainly be people within the club that are not at all happy with the current situation, how long they allow it to continue is anyone's guess. 

 

[Bob Weasel Fox]

The fact that it is even being discussed shows just how pathetic and fickle football has become

[FoxinNotts]

Lock this thread. Quite ridiculous.

[foxfanazer]

Love the guy for what he's done for us and he deserves time obviously. I'm just not sure he's the man to put a rocket up some of these players arses when they aren't pulling their weight. Last season we didn't have a run of bad results but now we have he needs to make changes and maybe not always be the nice guy. I also wish he didn't keep saying he's happy with our performances because if he is then I'm worried he's not the right man 

[NotTheMarketLeader]

52 minutes ago, FireFox said:

You're singling out Albrighton for something the whole team did. Can you really say that Simpson, Morgan, Huth, Fuchs, Drinkwater, or Amartey didn't also 'kick the ball anywhere' or provided any attacking threat? And while Mahrez may have been decent, our right side was overall very poor too, not actually creating anything... though our poor left side created the goal (Fuchs throw in to Albrighton to Okazaki to Vardy).

 

Were his tactics that poor? The 1st goal was Drinkwater's fault, you can't blame that on Ranieri. The 2nd goal was a great strike, maybe it could have been prevented, but Simpson and Drinkwater didn't do enough to stop the shot. Otherwise, we weren't really that poor, it's just a lot of knee jerk overreactions. We couldn't get Vardy service, like all season, but also maybe because Watford went three at the back, which has been effective against us under Claudio. Our central midfield and Okazaki were pretty poor too, but overall the tactics aren't "undefendable". And as for the team selection, you obviously would have preferred Gray, Musa, or Schlupp to Albrighton, and maybe King to Amartey, but what other options does he have? And would that have even made a difference?

 

We just made some mistakes, and we couldn't do enough to break Watford down. Hardly unacceptable. Hardly Claudio's fault.

 

Slimani had a slight injury concern. As for Ulloa, no clue, but I agree, should have been on the bench.

 

So our best option is someone with no PL experience, currently just over a year of Championship experience, and who might turn us down because Huddersfield are fighting for promotion.... I'd rather stick with Claudio.

 

Inler was not a Ranieri signing. Benalouanne and Mendy are the only 100% Ranieri signings (and maybe Gray and Kapi too). One who did well but couldn't get into the team because our CB partnership was excellent and then got injured. The other who also got injured. Sure, that they both got long/medium-term injuries is a concern, but you can hardly call them atrocious.

The comments you make re: Claudio's signings are accurate - Gray and Kaputska were his as he has publicly said so. As were Benny and Mendy, although I'm pretty sure Inler was one also. 

 

I dont think thats a bad return - Inler is the only dud, unless people suggest a crystal ball should have been gazed at to see what the future would hold in terms of injuries. That's just one of those things that has happened. 

 

Lack of midfield cover has been a major problem, but haven't we got a scouting recruitment department - it's not an empty offfice since Walsh left ffs - what were they doing more to the point.

 

Posters slating CR for the signings of Slimani and Musa should turn their anger on Steve Walsh if they must do 'finger pointing' in this respect as they were on the radar for some considerable time.

[Realist Guy In The Room]

January.

[lcfcsnow]

If this isn't a sign that he needs to mix the tactics up then what is, no wonder we're getting nowhere when our two main threats aren't connecting.

[Guest Mickyblueeyes]

1 hour ago, FireFox said:

You're singling out Albrighton for something the whole team did. Can you really say that Simpson, Morgan, Huth, Fuchs, Drinkwater, or Amartey didn't also 'kick the ball anywhere' or provided any attacking threat? And while Mahrez may have been decent, our right side was overall very poor too, not actually creating anything... though our poor left side created the goal (Fuchs throw in to Albrighton to Okazaki to Vardy).

 

Were his tactics that poor? The 1st goal was Drinkwater's fault, you can't blame that on Ranieri. The 2nd goal was a great strike, maybe it could have been prevented, but Simpson and Drinkwater didn't do enough to stop the shot. Otherwise, we weren't really that poor, it's just a lot of knee jerk overreactions. We couldn't get Vardy service, like all season, but also maybe because Watford went three at the back, which has been effective against us under Claudio. Our central midfield and Okazaki were pretty poor too, but overall the tactics aren't "undefendable". And as for the team selection, you obviously would have preferred Gray, Musa, or Schlupp to Albrighton, and maybe King to Amartey, but what other options does he have? And would that have even made a difference?

 

We just made some mistakes, and we couldn't do enough to break Watford down. Hardly unacceptable. Hardly Claudio's fault.

 

Slimani had a slight injury concern. As for Ulloa, no clue, but I agree, should have been on the bench.

 

So our best option is someone with no PL experience, currently just over a year of Championship experience, and who might turn us down because Huddersfield are fighting for promotion.... I'd rather stick with Claudio.

 

Inler was not a Ranieri signing. Benalouanne and Mendy are the only 100% Ranieri signings (and maybe Gray and Kapi too). One who did well but couldn't get into the team because our CB partnership was excellent and then got injured. The other who also got injured. Sure, that they both got long/medium-term injuries is a concern, but you can hardly call them atrocious.

I'm sorry mate but I'm going to have to disagree. 

 

1.  When you keep doing something it is no longer a mistake, it's a habit. Leaving players unmarked at set pieces or just allowing them a free run at goal seems to be the norm this year. We have at least one example for each game this year. Is bad defending Claudio's fault, no, not directly. The fact we can't shake it up is. He is the management and the one who is entrusted to plan ahead. Quite clearly there was no plan for adding to the defence this summer and if there was, it was a piss poor one. We signed no centre backs which leaves us with Was as third choice - like I said previously someone should be held accountable for that.

 

2. Luck plays a part in life as it does in Football but our creativity this year has been pathetic. We have no plan A let alone plan B or C. Claudio is dubbed as being a tactical master and at 65 years old I would expect better. 

 

3. Why was Inler not a Claudio signing? I was always under the impression Inler was his first choice as he didn't fancy Kante but was convinced by Walsh pushing for him? Maybe ive missed something on that. Anyway, what he hs signed off this year, has not been great. Entirely his fault? No, but he takes the vast majority of it. We didn't have paintings of the fourth choice fitness coach when we won it. In the same way, when it doesn't go wrong Im not going to hold him accountable but the manager who is in charge to prepare and plan for the upcoming season.

 

like ive said, I don't think now is the time for sacking anyone. Claudio needs time but by the end of the Christmas run if we look as pathetic as we do right now, I wouldn't be disappointed with him gone. We've spent far too much to be just happy with 40 points. I would expect something better than that regardless of how last year went. Put simply, no one is above being held accountable or being sacked if the club suffers.

[AyewJoking]

i would be amazed if he is sacked.

 

Even if we did go down i think the owners will keep him.

 

Personally i think we need heavy investment in january. ranieri has clearly ran out of ideas hence the dreaded 442 every game.