shen Posted 2 January 2017 Posted 2 January 2017 He's not endeared himself with his performances so far, that's for sure. He's the second-most expensive purchase in our club's history (granted, prices inflate substantially year on year) so we have every right to expect something that makes him stand out a bit. Apart from pace, which he rarely uses to great effect, he's not shown anything noteworty. Now should be his chance to get a run of games and I expect him to be ready and take it.
murphy Posted 2 January 2017 Posted 2 January 2017 Just now, stevelcfc said: Let's see him after a run of games shall we? But that is the problem. With injuries, suspensions and squad rotation he's not been good enough, so far, to force his way into the team.
The Doctor Posted 2 January 2017 Posted 2 January 2017 1 minute ago, TheUltimateWinner said: I personally thought when Kram joined he made an instant impact in games, yet didn't get many due to being out of favour. But everyones entitled to an opinion! Kram made an impact in a couple of games but for the most part he just cut a lone figure up top. Didn't do that much (although tbf to him his run in the side came in Pearsons play for 0-0 phase)
fleckneymike Posted 2 January 2017 Author Posted 2 January 2017 It is hardly unreasonable to expect someone costing nearly £20m to be able to control a ball. At the minute Musa is playing abysmally and the Russian league isn't exactly renowned for the quality of its exports.
STUHILL Posted 2 January 2017 Posted 2 January 2017 Start him against Everton in the Cup on the left of a front 3 and give him 90 minutes to show us what he can do. He has either had short appearances off the bench or been played out of position in a weakened team. I can't believe he has nothing more to offer, but we won't see it, unless we give him some decent game time in his preferred position. I wish people would stop writing players off so quickly. Haven't we learnt not to do that from past mistakes. I'm not saying he will come good, but lets at least give him longer than 5 months and only a handful of appearances. He has moved from Russia and never played in the Premier League before. A little bit of patience people!
Kitchandro Posted 2 January 2017 Posted 2 January 2017 1 minute ago, TheUltimateWinner said: I think Amartey is improving, still a work in progress, but he's becoming more accustomed to his position. I don't think he was our worst player today and in the past few games he's looked our most consistent midfielder. He's pointless if he can't pass it forward and doesn't win many tackles. He's not got potential (in midfield anyway) so giving him time will only achieve so much (i.e. him being ok at times). Don't think I'm scapegoating either, the fact he wasn't our worst player today or in the last few games says more about other performances than it does about him; plus Albrighton, Drinkwater & Gray not starting today. King and Mahrez were hugely disappointing today because unlike the likes of Amartey and Musa who just aren't good enough, they both have the technical ability to affect matches, but didn't turn up at all.
Koke Posted 2 January 2017 Posted 2 January 2017 9 minutes ago, ttfn said: I think the fact that he started regularly as a number 10 in a title winning team is more indicative of the irrelevance of the statistics you're quoting than anything else. He was an absolutely critical part of our team last season. He started regularly because the alterative was Ulloa. Other than working hard what exactly is Okazaki good at? Again, he was critical because Ulloa was the alterative. How are Musa's attributes worse than Okazaki's? Neither have good ball control. Neither have good technical ability. Both are lightweight. And neither score that much. People slate Musa for having similar attributes as Okazaki.
The Doctor Posted 2 January 2017 Posted 2 January 2017 5 minutes ago, Koke said: He started regularly because the alterative was Ulloa. Other than working hard what exactly is Okazaki good at? Again, he was critical because Ulloa was the alterative. How are Musa's attributes worse than Okazaki's? Neither have good ball control. Neither have good technical ability. Both are lightweight. And neither score that much. People slate Musa for having similar attributes as Okazaki. Okazakis movement was excellent last season, regularly pulled defenders away to open up space for Vardy/Mahrez to do the damage - look back at vardys goal vs West Ham for a great example, starts to move wide and drags noble five yards right of where he should be, giving kante the space to burst into and feed Vardy.
Koke Posted 2 January 2017 Posted 2 January 2017 19 minutes ago, Finnegan said: At the risk of you claiming that I'm being emotional about Okazaki, this is probably the silliest thing you've ever posted. I'm pretty sure I've posted worse things pal I like Okazaki. I really do. Lovey guy. But I expect a bit more from a #10
TheUltimateWinner Posted 2 January 2017 Posted 2 January 2017 2 minutes ago, Kitchandro said: He's pointless if he can't pass it forward and doesn't win many tackles. He's not got potential (in midfield anyway) so giving him time will only achieve so much (i.e. him being ok at times). Don't think I'm scapegoating either, the fact he wasn't our worst player today or in the last few games says more about other performances than it does about him; plus Albrighton, Drinkwater & Gray not starting today. King and Mahrez were hugely disappointing today because unlike the likes of Amartey and Musa who just aren't good enough, they both have the technical ability to affect matches, but didn't turn up at all. I do think that a club with our ambition should have a better midfield partner for Drinkwater, but the fact we didn't recruit the right player in the summer isn't Amarteys fault. I think in context, the fact he's being moulded to this new position in one of the most competitive leagues in the world playing week in week out when the whole team is performing poorly is a hard ask, but his attributes and performances have gotten better on a whole. I agree with your comment about Mahrez, but I also thought King put a good performance in today, it looked like he was asked to play a more defensive role today, and I thought he did very well in that aspect. Unfortunately our set up was devoid of a creative spark, it was hoped Mahrez would provide that, but he didn't. Without him turning up, you can't look at our starting eleven today and see any magic coming from anyone else, and cant expect that of King when it looked like he was instructed to play deep.
Freeman's Wharfer Posted 2 January 2017 Posted 2 January 2017 Did he not score that pearler against Palace or am I just imagining it? Or that crucial equaliser at Spurs? He's been in and out of the team (a struggling team at times) and he's been played left, right and centre. I don't actually think he's done too badly. He looks a little weak and hopefully our sports science guys can help with that but it's far too early to write him off completely.
Guest CityFan 06 Posted 2 January 2017 Posted 2 January 2017 He's not been playing regularly enough, and for me we're not playing to his strengths with the systems we play. I get the impression he could be very effective as a wide man in a front three, and centrally I still think he could be useful. I feel like there's more to come from Musa, he's shown glimpses of what he can do. Palace (H) I thought he was good overall, he got onto the scoresheet in that one with a fine effort and Spurs (A) he used his pace to latch onto a cross, netting also.
Barky Posted 2 January 2017 Posted 2 January 2017 44 minutes ago, Kitchandro said: Firstly why are you sure he's a good player? All evidence suggests he's appalling. He's got no ability or brain power at all. He's marginally better than Schlupp because he tries. Secondly you talk like Amartey has proven something whereas the reality is he still looks absolutely hopeless. Again, he can't control or pass a football and doesn't win many tackles. He's nowhere near the quality we should expect. He's a championship player. Apologies for picking on you because I'm sure this could apply to many if not all of Musa's critics, but you've written off players in a similar way in the past and been proven utterly, hopelessly, almost embarrassingly wrong. Exhibit A: your thoughts on Jamie Vardy circa 2013, "poor finisher... well out of his depth... a standout weakness [in the team]" etc You would think having made posts like that in the past you'd learn and become a bit more balanced about your assessments of new players, but apparently not. Same goes for the OP of this thread who also made comments in that thread, "Vardy is expensive shite". Expensive! Shite! I mean how wrong can you be, and then to come back and do it all again criticising another new player. You must enjoy being critical for its own sake, I guess?
ajthefox Posted 2 January 2017 Posted 2 January 2017 Hasn't shown much at all worthy of his price tag so far but it is still relatively early, and the fact we've been generally shit obviously doesn't help that. Would love to have seen him play in our team the way we were playing last season.
Koke Posted 2 January 2017 Posted 2 January 2017 Watching Rashford tonight...he's what we want Musa to play like.
Aus Fox Posted 2 January 2017 Posted 2 January 2017 Do we have to have one of these threads after every poor performance? Zieler Albrighton Amartey Slimani Mahrez Vardy King All had similar threads this year after poor team performances. The way we set up today was never going to benefit the forwards especially those coming on. Give the lad a break, and get off his back. We have seen glimpses of what he is capable of this season, without him having a consistent run in the team.
Guest Mickyblueeyes Posted 2 January 2017 Posted 2 January 2017 All this he needs time to settle is fair enough if they were a million pound signing from United reserves and if we were still in the championship is fine. Musa isn't. He costs a considerable amount of money and is paid handsomely. We bought him to offer us more options and to take us to the next level. He hasn't and at present, won't! We have no options and that's what pisses me off!
urban.spaceman Posted 2 January 2017 Posted 2 January 2017 Vardy struggled in his first season. Just saying.
The whole world smiles Posted 2 January 2017 Posted 2 January 2017 50 minutes ago, Barky said: Apologies for picking on you because I'm sure this could apply to many if not all of Musa's critics, but you've written off players in a similar way in the past and been proven utterly, hopelessly, almost embarrassingly wrong. Exhibit A: your thoughts on Jamie Vardy circa 2013, "poor finisher... well out of his depth... a standout weakness [in the team]" etc You would think having made posts like that in the past you'd learn and become a bit more balanced about your assessments of new players, but apparently not. Same goes for the OP of this thread who also made comments in that thread, "Vardy is expensive shite". Expensive! Shite! I mean how wrong can you be, and then to come back and do it all again criticising another new player. You must enjoy being critical for its own sake, I guess? Top man I've been thinking about trawling back through some of the old posts and naming and shaming some of the people who consitantly slag players despite consitantly being proved wrong. Trouble is these type of people won't hold there hands up admit their wrong and apologise for spreading their negativity when the player in question comes good, They will simply move on to their next scapegoat. Maybe we need a post exposing the worst offenders.
China Black Posted 2 January 2017 Posted 2 January 2017 A person who cannot control or pass a ball, should not be a footballer... Period!!
fleckneymike Posted 3 January 2017 Author Posted 3 January 2017 10 minutes ago, The whole world smiles said: Top man I've been thinking about trawling back through some of the old posts and naming and shaming some of the people who consitantly slag players despite consitantly being proved wrong. Trouble is these type of people won't hold there hands up admit their wrong and apologise for spreading their negativity when the player in question comes good, They will simply move on to their next scapegoat. Maybe we need a post exposing the worst offenders. Burn the witch!
HighPeakFox Posted 3 January 2017 Posted 3 January 2017 11 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said: Vardy struggled in his first season. Just saying. Don't be so reasonable
Dan Posted 3 January 2017 Posted 3 January 2017 Looks a bit out of his depth to me. I'm convinced there's more to him than he's showing but he's so weak it's unreal.
fleckneymike Posted 3 January 2017 Author Posted 3 January 2017 13 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said: Vardy struggled in his first season. Just saying. So did Josh Low; people are so fickle.
lgfualol Posted 3 January 2017 Posted 3 January 2017 12 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said: Vardy struggled in his first season. Just saying. Yup. Took Vardy months to score twice in the Prem. Musa is a bit erratic, but needs time.
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