urban.spaceman Posted 3 January 2017 Posted 3 January 2017 7 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said: Don't be so reasonable Down with this sort of thing.
The whole world smiles Posted 3 January 2017 Posted 3 January 2017 6 minutes ago, fleckneymike said: Burn the witch! Funny guy, although I preferred your earlier stuff like when you said Musa is getting a game because he turned up with his PE kit that one was a real rib tickler.
crazyleicester Posted 3 January 2017 Posted 3 January 2017 Musa is (with Kapustka) the new signing I feel most sorry for. Im not sure what his best possie is, Im not sure Claudio knows and Im not sure we play a formation that suits him. He hardly ever seems to get a run in the side in a fixed position but I have seen glimpses to think he can offer us something.
Stadt Posted 3 January 2017 Posted 3 January 2017 At Spurs away and Palace at home he's shown some promise but I think he's too weak and his touch is too poor to ever really star for us. Much like Slimani I think we paid over the odds but it's early days yet.
murphy Posted 3 January 2017 Posted 3 January 2017 1 hour ago, Barky said: Apologies for picking on you because I'm sure this could apply to many if not all of Musa's critics, but you've written off players in a similar way in the past and been proven utterly, hopelessly, almost embarrassingly wrong. Exhibit A: your thoughts on Jamie Vardy circa 2013, "poor finisher... well out of his depth... a standout weakness [in the team]" etc You would think having made posts like that in the past you'd learn and become a bit more balanced about your assessments of new players, but apparently not. Same goes for the OP of this thread who also made comments in that thread, "Vardy is expensive shite". Expensive! Shite! I mean how wrong can you be, and then to come back and do it all again criticising another new player. You must enjoy being critical for its own sake, I guess? I'm sure that you could trawl through anyone's posting history and find things that might now look a bit foolish, myself included and probably you too, but it is quite a crappy thing to do IMO. This idea that nobody is allowed to be critical of players on an internet forum is ridiculous. You can only judge a player by what you see at the time. In Vardy's first season he was pretty awful so anyone would be quite within their rights to say so. He became a revelation last year and deserves the credit. Some will improve with time, some will never make it. The way I see it, we should all get behind our players on match day in the ground, but this is the perfect place to discuss. praise or criticise without fear of the 'give them time' thought police. Otherwise what are we gonna do? Talk about our holidays?
HighPeakFox Posted 3 January 2017 Posted 3 January 2017 You're aware that there is a chasmic difference between 'criticism' and 'utter slagging', right?
The whole world smiles Posted 3 January 2017 Posted 3 January 2017 11 minutes ago, murphy said: I'm sure that you could trawl through anyone's posting history and find things that might now look a bit foolish, myself included and probably you too, but it is quite a crappy thing to do IMO. This idea that nobody is allowed to be critical of players on an internet forum is ridiculous. You can only judge a player by what you see at the time. In Vardy's first season he was pretty awful so anyone would be quite within their rights to say so. He became a revelation last year and deserves the credit. Some will improve with time, some will never make it. The way I see it, we should all get behind our players on match day in the ground, but this is the perfect place to discuss. praise or criticise without fear of the 'give them time' thought police. Otherwise what are we gonna do? Talk about our holidays? I agree but there is criticism in a constructive intelligent way like talking about a players form or the value of there transfer fee etc and then there is calling players who have barely started any games shite which is just moronic and reactionary and helps cause a negative toxic atmosphere on the board when the team are out of sorts. On a Slimani thread the other day someone called him a donkey how can anyone with crumb of understanding of the game of football think he's a donkey? Not working in our system? Maybe. Not value for money? I suppose it could be argued. But a donkey do me a favour.
foxes21 Posted 3 January 2017 Posted 3 January 2017 Thing is he's shown promise in three different positions now. Against Barca, at CF on the counter. Against Man Utd in the Community Shield he caused a lot of problems for their defence, playing behind Vardy. Against Spurs/Palace on the left wing he tracked back well and was a threat going forward. We haven't even seen him in the position he's played in for most of his career, on the left of a 4-3-3.
sylofox Posted 3 January 2017 Posted 3 January 2017 4 hours ago, Izzy Muzzett said: He's only had half a season in a new country with new team mates and has been in and out of the team. For me he's shown a bit of a lack of confidence sometimes when he's had chances to shoot, and hasn't taken the responsibility on himself. I still hope he'll come good, but it might be next season until we see the best of him once he's truly integrated and settled in. Too soon to write him off IMO so maybe we should all get behind him and support him, rather than slag him off and take the piss eh? But people on here never learn. As the saying goes your as good as your last game. That saying must have been invented in FT.
foxy boxing Posted 3 January 2017 Posted 3 January 2017 is he actually learning anything in training and watching the other players like Vardy and what is Claudio telling him to do. he needs to have more control on the ball and make more runs at defenders and get into the penalty area. he clearly likes the ball to his feet rather than the ball over the top to chase like Vardy. yes he is still learning the league and probably needs a run of games but he needs to develop quickly for this league and he needs to show he is willing and able to progress. we need to see him improving and learning because we all want him do do well and succeed with us
filbertway Posted 3 January 2017 Posted 3 January 2017 Another player that gets bit part roles and people are writing off, classic.
KFS Posted 3 January 2017 Posted 3 January 2017 Stop excusing him because he's young, he's clearly not the age he says he is
shen Posted 3 January 2017 Posted 3 January 2017 10 hours ago, urban.spaceman said: Vardy struggled in his first season. Just saying. He seems to be struggling again. Just saying. 9 hours ago, The whole world smiles said: I agree but there is criticism in a constructive intelligent way like talking about a players form or the value of there transfer fee etc and then there is calling players who have barely started any games shite which is just moronic and reactionary and helps cause a negative toxic atmosphere on the board when the team are out of sorts. On a Slimani thread the other day someone called him a donkey how can anyone with crumb of understanding of the game of football think he's a donkey? Not working in our system? Maybe. Not value for money? I suppose it could be argued. But a donkey do me a favour. It's just like Col City reacting to fans calling any of Amartey's performances 'superb', 'brilliant' or the like. It seems not to sit right with him just like it doesn't sit right with you that Slimani get's called a donkey, Musa useless etc. Maybe people resort to extreme viewpoints and make exaggerated claims just to be heard. You see the trend all over. 'Nobody' wants the sensible, realistic view, 'everyone' craves the sensationalist, out-of-the-ordinary view. Hopefully in time, when the hyperbole inevitably bores people, these kinds of comments will become more rare.
Guest Lako42 Posted 3 January 2017 Posted 3 January 2017 Oh good, another thread with more over the top negativity regarding one of our players. He was the only player in Blue who actually tried to take the ball in the correct direction against Boro. Why do you lot feel the need to constantly start threads slagging off individual players? Every game that produces a poor ind8ividual p0erformance is pounced upon by spoilt reactionary bedwetters who feel the need to look for the negative at every turn. I'll be utterly extreme as usual and give the lad a bit more time.
AmarteyAndChill Posted 3 January 2017 Posted 3 January 2017 16 minutes ago, KFS said: Stop excusing him because he's young, he's clearly not the age he says he is He's about 45 at least.
ozvaldo Posted 3 January 2017 Posted 3 January 2017 When my wife looks over at me at night after I've tried to penetrate her baby maker with my hideous member, her facial expression shows me more passion & belief that 'next time will be better', as opposed to when I watch Musa in a LCFC shirt. He's quick, not pretty, and can't really control the ball. In many ways, Ahmed Musa's style of play is not too dissimilar to my sexual offering.
Manwell Pablo Posted 3 January 2017 Posted 3 January 2017 11 hours ago, murphy said: I'm sure that you could trawl through anyone's posting history and find things that might now look a bit foolish, myself included and probably you too, but it is quite a crappy thing to do IMO. This idea that nobody is allowed to be critical of players on an internet forum is ridiculous. You can only judge a player by what you see at the time. In Vardy's first season he was pretty awful so anyone would be quite within their rights to say so. He became a revelation last year and deserves the credit. Some will improve with time, some will never make it. The way I see it, we should all get behind our players on match day in the ground, but this is the perfect place to discuss. praise or criticise without fear of the 'give them time' thought police. Otherwise what are we gonna do? Talk about our holidays? You are right as we are all human and football is a hard game to judge and predict, but I'd say I'm sure it's a lot easier to do to some posters (the ones that like to make Knee jerk OTT sweeping unknowledgeable statements on a very regular basis) than it is too others. He who is critical should perhaps be prepared to take criticism himself do you not think? As for saying what you see at the time there are numerous suggestions as to why Vardy was struggling in that thread and plenty of posters who believed he would come good......live by the sword die by the sword I am afraid. You want to put something on a public forum people have a right to pass critique on it just like if you are a professional footballer expect your performances to be judged. You decision to put it in the public arena for all to read not those reading it.
foxes21 Posted 3 January 2017 Posted 3 January 2017 He is fast, just not at accelerating. He needs at least 5-10yards before he really gets going and defenders are already on to him by that point. Mahrez is the opposite. Very fast at accelerating and on the turn which means he can lose a defender easily and get his body infront of them. Musa needs space infront of him to use his speed and space is a rare luxury in this league.
RumbleFox Posted 3 January 2017 Posted 3 January 2017 49 minutes ago, shen said: He seems to be struggling again. Just saying. It's just like Col City reacting to fans calling any of Amartey's performances 'superb', 'brilliant' or the like. It seems not to sit right with him just like it doesn't sit right with you that Slimani get's called a donkey, Musa useless etc. Maybe people resort to extreme viewpoints and make exaggerated claims just to be heard. You see the trend all over. 'Nobody' wants the sensible, realistic view, 'everyone' craves the sensationalist, out-of-the-ordinary view. Hopefully in time, when the hyperbole inevitably bores people, these kinds of comments will become more rare. I agree with this completely. X
MPH Posted 3 January 2017 Posted 3 January 2017 15 hours ago, urban.spaceman said: Down with this sort of thing. Careful now....
Nick Posted 3 January 2017 Posted 3 January 2017 Well for the record, I think this is a shitty thread that does nobody any good, nevermind the player if he gets sight of this. The thread title might as well just be an opinion in a 'Musa' thread not an abusive joke that'll be a permanent fixture. He's a good footballer and it'll take him time to gel wether that be as a Vardy number 2 or as a winger. Criticise his performance by all means but it annoys me when derogatory threads titles like these are left unchallenged.
adejo92 Posted 3 January 2017 Posted 3 January 2017 Yeah the guys fast but i have seen little evidence to suggest that he should be on a football pitch as opposed to a running track.
Babylon Posted 3 January 2017 Posted 3 January 2017 19 hours ago, Costock_Fox said: In your educated opinion do you think he is currently doing well? Nobody thinks he's doing well, although currently none of them are doing particularly well. But there are ways to go about being critical of performance, whilst also understanding that he's new to the league, new to the country and playing in a team that can't string more than a few passes together. But you know, that's not the foxestalk way. You have to say he looks like a competition winner, or some other pathetic put down. It happened with Vardy and Drinkwater and almost every player we've signed in the last 5 years barring a couple. It's happened with Amartey, Mendy after about 45 minutes against Arsenal, Slimani, Okazaki was useless, Simpson was championship standard... you could go through most of them. As it is, the vast majority of them, when played in a system to get the best out of the them actually did well given time to settle and get used to their team mates and new surroundings. Amartey being a case in point, a young kid playing his first few games and gets ripped to shreds on here. Yet he's growing all the time to the point we'll probably miss having him around in January. You'd expect people to learn, but why bother when you can be the banter king and throw insults around about the players.
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