What is wrong?

[thegaffa]

I'm sorry but the buck stops with the manager.

 

if we don't have a motivated squad, either motivate or replace them.

 

i have said in previous posts that each year nearly all the teams style of play evolves, as you can not play the same way season in, season out. 

 

For how good Barca are they still have to tweak their style each season to win leagues, that's why Arsenal fail to win the league.

 

last year we took the league by surprise and many teams have now looked at how we played and stop us playing that way.

 

[pazzerfox]

The book stops with the manager.  He motivates the players, he chooses the side, he enforces the tactics, he has the final say in purchasing players.

 

The style and formation is baffling.  Drinkwater (our most industrious player) is switching between a central and a right hand side position.  There is little to no pressing all over the pitch.  We are intent of giving the opposition time and space and just defending the box.  We are creating little going forward with no creativity whatsoever.  

 

Everything that was good about last season has vanished.  The players seem perplexed as to what is being asked of them and the manager is to blame.  

 

Vardy has touched the ball about 10 times in 5 matches, we have hardly had a shot on target in ages.  There is something seriously wrong.

[BigMicky]

10 minutes ago, SheppyFox said:

Proper mountain climbers do it multiple times!

But more do it once and never again. Why are we comparing our players to that of established league winning teams of years gone by? These players are not at that level and never will be, you can't coach or switch that type of mentality on, you either have it or you don't. 

[LFEFox23]

John Rudkin? Things have gone tits up since he's had a bigger input! 

 

 

[okie fox]

What was wrong today is the lack of closing down.  They had so much time on the ball whereas we were closed down quickly.  Maybe our confidence is shot to pieces so we don't press like we used to.

[BigMicky]

1 minute ago, thegaffa said:

I'm sorry but the buck stops with the manager.

 

if we don't have a motivated squad, either motivate or replace them.

 

i have said in previous posts that each year nearly all the teams style of play evolves, as you can not play the same way season in, season out. 

 

For how good Barca are they still have to tweak their style each season to win leagues, that's why Arsenal fail to win the league.

 

last year we took the league by surprise and many teams have now looked at how we played and stop us playing that way.

 

And Ranieri has tried different formations/tactics. They don't work as our players aren't good enough.

[Webbo]

8 minutes ago, A86Allen said:

John Rudkin? Things have gone tits up since he's had a bigger input! 

 

 

Apart from when we won the league.

[LFEFox23]

6 minutes ago, Webbo said:

Apart from when we won the league.

But Walsh called all the shots with any new signings, it's now been left with Rudkin and they've been pony! 

[Royston.]

the glaringly obvious is we cant keep the ball especially when mounting an attack.

 

constantly hoofing easy balls back to the opposition or pissing about in triangles before running out of options and hoofing easy balls back to the opposition.

 

we never/cant change our "style" and likely this is making the players give up.

 

they won the league but dont have the attitude of champions.

 

many average players satisfied with a league title they never thought they'd touch and big pay rises to boot.

 

at the very least you need a boss to kick them up the arse but ranieri is hopeless at that and has to go.

 

i know that he will get to the end of the season and likely resign whether we somehow stay up or most likely go down.

[Webbo]

1 minute ago, A86Allen said:

But Walsh called all the shots with any new signings, it's now been left with Rudkin and they've been pony! 

Ahh right. It's funny how the directer of football chooses not to be involved in anything successful but forces his way into to all the failures. Thanks for your inside information.

[BenTheFox]

48 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

If you climbed Mount Everest would you want to do it again?

Summed it up perfectly. Because we're a club that barely ever compete towards the top end of the table, there's no pressure to keep challenging. I feel like there's a lack of pressure at the club.

[SheppyFox]

21 minutes ago, BigMicky said:

But more do it once and never again. Why are we comparing our players to that of established league winning teams of years gone by? These players are not at that level and never will be, you can't coach or switch that type of mentality on, you either have it or you don't. 

Ha no I mean literally there are more people to climb Everest multiple times than singular  sorry, nothing at all to do with football

[Bayfox]

51 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

If you climbed Mount Everest would you want to do it again?

You don't get 100k a week to climb everest and I'm sure the mansions are a lot nicer than the tents.

[Kitchandro]

2 minutes ago, BenTheFox said:

Summed it up perfectly. Because we're a club that barely ever compete towards the top end of the table, there's no pressure to keep challenging. I feel like there's a lack of pressure at the club.

I have thought this. Rather than being worshipped, these players now need to be hounded. They need to know that we are a proud club with a big fanbase and we don't expect to be humiliated like this because they won't put the effort in.

[Guest CityFan 06]

Once again no creativity going forward so we're resulting to long balls and not playing football on the floor. We persist on losing to teams we should be competing against and we've lost the basics of what's worked so well for us in the past. I expected, hoped and thought top ten was a reasonable ambition this season. It's awful that it's got to this.

 

It's got to the stage where I'm not confident we're going to win at Derby, or get points vs Burnley and Swansea. We have to do well in this transfer window. We lack composure in possession, throughout the team. I'm waiting for us to lose the ball whenever we're pressed. And what's most worrying is, I was watching Arsenal vs Burnley and instantly you can tell the difference in intensity that Burnley have over us.

[VLC86]

29 minutes ago, polarbear said:

I'm a Ranieri supporter but he has to take some blame at the start of the season for his comments: 'we have no chance of retaining the league'  straightaway players lose 10% intensity across games and the malaise just carries on 

So you think he should have came out and said we are going to do it all over again? And if this is true, why didn't this backfire when he continually said we wanted 40 points, then Europe, then Champions league and then finally with 5 matches left he said we were going for the title?

 

Way too many things wrong than I can be arsed to post in this depressed state now i honestly think we are gonners.

[Jonezy]

31 minutes ago, Kitchandro said:

But I'm not talking about the things that aren't going for us. This is about why WE are not trying our best. The individual players.

 

I realise that everything is wrong right now but there is nothing out there that can excuse a lack of effort. And when it's across the board there should be an inquest as to why.

 

(Besides I disagree about getting all the positive 'karma' in the world last season, West Ham at home we were subject to some terrible refereeing and guess what, we still fought back to draw)

But it is just the dynamics of everything. The whole situation has just spiralled out of control, where it seems like nothing can change it. The players do not just decide to not give everything, but the whole situation with winning the league, getting new contracts, having a weak pre-season, poor league start and adventures in the CL have somehow effected the team, so they just can't seem to find the extra gear, they had last year.

 

Last season we played scrappy as hell in a lot of those 1-0 wins, but Mahrez or Vardy somehow managed some magic out of nowhere to create a goal and the opposition missed great chances. Now we can't create any magic at all and the opposition scores at will. The karma last season was all of our players somehow reaching their absolute peak at the same time and now not a single one is anywhere near that level.  

[BenTheFox]

2 minutes ago, Kitchandro said:

I have thought this. Rather than being worshipped, these players now need to be hounded. They need to know that we are a proud club with a big fanbase and we don't expect to be humiliated like this because they won't put the effort in.

These are players that have got murals while they're still at the club. We're having a poor season and the manager and players are still winning awards. It's human nature to not have the same drive and hunger when you've been part of one of the biggest sporting upsets ever. It's almost like we need to make a serious statement to get over that.

[Kitchandro]

26 minutes ago, thegaffa said:

I'm sorry but the buck stops with the manager.

 

if we don't have a motivated squad, either motivate or replace them.

 

i have said in previous posts that each year nearly all the teams style of play evolves, as you can not play the same way season in, season out. 

 

For how good Barca are they still have to tweak their style each season to win leagues, that's why Arsenal fail to win the league.

 

last year we took the league by surprise and many teams have now looked at how we played and stop us playing that way.

 

Well, firstly I don't agree that the players should need motivating. That doesn't mean Claudio shouldn't be trying to, but that doesn't excuse the players not putting in effort, surely? I know we can't sack the players but we can't just accept them not trying.

 

Secondly, even though this debate is irrelevant to the point of the thread, the problem is not that we're doing the same things, it's that we're doing different things. No tempo, not pressing, slow build up, too many negative passes, not utilising Vardy's pace, defenders not winning headers, no fight.

 

Surely you don't think we're losing because we're trying to do the things we did last season? The things that continued to work even when people suggested that teams had worked out how to play against us in mid January when we had a few draws and a loss?

 

That makes no sense whatsoever. We might have needed to play 3 in the middle to compensate for losing Kante, but changing the way we play totally has been the thing that has hindered us.

[FLAN]

If the captain can play like he has this season and retain his place it tells you the manager hasn't got the balls to pull anyone up. Where are the leaders on the pitch?  They all pulled together last season to hide each other's frailties. This season they seem to be happy to let everyone else take the lead but nobody is. Half the team k ow they have nowhere to go after this and have had the season of a lifetime to set them up for life with their new contracts. What motivation do they have??? 

 

[jim5000]

He's signed the wrong players. All the new signings are limited players that fit in with a certain system. That system no longer works and none of them have the technical ability to play a different style. We look league 1 standard against pretty much every team we've come up against this season. Complete lack of control and relying on a bit of pace up front to beat premier league teams that can easily contain us without breaking sweat. We really are awful at the moment.

[Collymore]

1 hour ago, yorkie1999 said:

If you climbed Mount Everest would you want to do it again?

Pay me a £100K a week and I'll do it over and over again in fancy dress 

[dylanlegend]

We fcuked up in the summer I believe. Should have give the players a decent bonus but the new contracts we gave to everyone was a mistake. In hindsight we should have got rid of vardy, mAhrez etc and stuck to the wage structure. 

 

It must have affected the players mentality if we offer another player double what they have been offered and it also means if we do go down we are fcuked. No one is gonna pay Morgan £50k a week 

[Cadno'r Cymoedd]

1 hour ago, yorkie1999 said:

If you climbed Mount Everest would you want to do it again?

The greatest climbers often return with new challenges on the same peak. That is the hallmark of legends. Under Ferguson, the same players had the desire to win season after season. Great tennis players don't win a grand slam tournament and down their racket. 

[thegaffa]

18 minutes ago, Kitchandro said:

Well, firstly I don't agree that the players should need motivating. That doesn't mean Claudio shouldn't be trying to, but that doesn't excuse the players not putting in effort, surely? I know we can't sack the players but we can't just accept them not trying.

 

Secondly, even though this debate is irrelevant to the point of the thread, the problem is not that we're doing the same things, it's that we're doing different things. No tempo, not pressing, slow build up, too many negative passes, not utilising Vardy's pace, defenders not winning headers, no fight.

 

Surely you don't think we're losing because we're trying to do the things we did last season? The things that continued to work even when people suggested that teams had worked out how to play against us in mid January when we had a few draws and a loss?

 

That makes no sense whatsoever. We might have needed to play 3 in the middle to compensate for losing Kante, but changing the way we play totally has been the thing that has hindered us.

 

The manager is playing the players that are not trying though so he needs to find the solution.

 

i agree we are not playing the same way as last season, I did say the style needs to evolve and not change completely.

 

CR knew playing Kante was like having 3 in central midfield, so he has had many months of trying to compensate for that loss and has not,  Ranieri has not come up with the right  tactics.