Relegation tainting last season?

[Kitchandro]

There's been a lot of talk about this on this forum and in the media. The feeling is that relegation would tarnish the memory of last season, and that we would be remembered as the team that got relegated straight after winning the league. We'd become a running joke.

 

But my question is - has this season not already tainted the title win, at least somewhat?

At the end of last season, almost every Leicester fan was in support of Ranieri having a statue outside our ground, for example. Considering now he's basically getting called an idiot left, right and centre (mostly in a polite way, in fairness) doesn't this seem rather unlikely now? Some (less intelligent) posters are even suggesting Nigel Pearson is the one who should have the statue. After thinking he was a genius last season, our tacicts perfectly balanced and selections/substitutions almost faultless, our mental strength unquestionned, he now appears to make one inexplicable decision after another. Is he still our Shankly, our Clough, our Fergie?

Likewise the players. That mural seemed a fitting tribute to a group of honest and in certain cases brilliant players who would always go down as Leicester's greatest team. But since, they have shown a very different side. They've been accused of many things, from being greedy and lazy, to being troublemakers, and backstabbers. They've even been accused of being shit footballers. And I have said some of these things myself. Surely, for the people who have made these comments, they have already gone down in our estimations?

I certainly feel that it is hard to have pride in some of these players again even if they do stay up. Some people may absolve them of blame and put all the responsibility on Claudio but, it's hard to argue that the ones who go out on the pitch have shown the right commitment and attitude this season. Our most important players from last season are arguably some of the biggest culprits. And had Claudio got the sack because of this, or if he does at the end of the season, will you be able to fully forgive them?

 

Of course, there are some that would say absolutely nothing could affect their view of that team. It's certainly true that no one can take that title win away from us, and it's the crowning moment we always felt was missing. And for certain people, that's enough for them to remember this group of players and manager with nothing but fondness and pride.

 

This isn't an anti-Claudio thread, or a pro-Claudio thread, nor have I started it to have a dig at the players (I've done that in other threads). I'm just interested to hear how people feel about it.

 

I think relegation would taint last season's achievements, but assuming we stay up: will the negativity towards the players and manager completely pass eventually, or will their reputations always be sullied, even if just a little bit, by how quick they sank?

[foxes_rule1978]

Can't never take that title win away from us, it isn't going to taint it at all. I don't see how you can make a joke of a team that has achieved regardless of how they end up the season after. Not many teams have a PL title to their name 

[Kitchandro]

2 minutes ago, foxes_rule1978 said:

Can't never take that title win away from us, it isn't going to taint it at all. I don't see how you can make a joke of a team that has achieved regardless of how they end up the season after. Not many teams have a PL title to their name 

I'd like to point out that football wasn't invented in 1992, but fair enough.

 

 

[TheUltimateWinner]

3 minutes ago, Kitchandro said:

There's been a lot of talk about this on this forum and in the media. The feeling is that relegation would tarnish the memory of last season, and that we would be remembered as the team that got relegated straight after winning the league. We'd become a running joke.

 

But my question is - has this season not already tainted the title win, at least somewhat?

At the end of last season, almost every Leicester fan was in support of Ranieri having a statue outside our ground, for example. Considering now he's basically getting called an idiot left, right and centre (mostly in a polite way, in fairness) doesn't this seem rather unlikely now? Some (less intelligent) posters are even suggesting Nigel Pearson is the one who should have the statue. After thinking he was a genius last season, our tacicts perfectly balanced and selections/substitutions almost faultless, our mental strength unquestionned, he now appears to make one inexplicable decision after another. Is he still our Shankly, our Clough, our Fergie?

Likewise the players. That mural seemed a fitting tribute to a group of honest and in certain cases brilliant players who would always go down as Leicester's greatest team. But since, they have shown a very different side. They've been accused of many things, from being greedy and lazy, to being troublemakers, and backstabbers. They've even been accused of being shit footballers. And I have said some of these things myself. Surely, for the people who have made these comments, they have already gone down in our estimations?

I certainly feel that it is hard to have pride in some of these players again even if they do stay up. Some people may absolve them of blame and put all the responsibility on Claudio but, it's hard to argue that the ones who go out on the pitch have shown the right commitment and attitude this season. Our most important players from last season are arguably some of the biggest culprits. And had Claudio got the sack because of this, or if he does at the end of the season, will you be able to fully forgive them?

 

Of course, there are some that would say absolutely nothing could affect their view of that team. It's certainly true that no one can take that title win away from us, and it's the crowning moment we always felt was missing. And for certain people, that's enough for them to remember this group of players and manager with nothing but fondness and pride.

 

This isn't an anti-Claudio thread, or a pro-Claudio thread, nor have I started it to have a dig at the players (I've done that in other threads). I'm just interested to hear how people feel about it.

 

I think relegation would taint last season's achievements, but assuming we stay up: will the negativity towards the players and manager completely pass eventually, or will their reputations always be sullied, even if just a little bit, by how quick they sank?

Great post! 

 

If we stayed up to a certain extent, yes, I think over time, how poor we have been playing and how bad the majority of fans feel right now would be forgotten about, it could be dismissed as simply a hangover from an unforgettable season. 

 

I don't think some players reputations will recover should we stay up however, namely Vardy - I think straight after the victory parade he put himself on a downward slope, the contract saga and the lack of desire this season won't be forgotten.

 

Relegation could never take last season away for me, but it would ruin my affection to the players, they won us the league, but their lack of care for the club would be plunging us into a period of uncertainty. They'd walk off with their fat pay checks, whilst the club and the fans are stuck having to endure the consequences of their attitudes and poor performances.

 

Relegation would severely impact this clubs future in my opinion, with a lot of questions overhead and indefinite period of uncertainty.

 

If we go down, I unfortunately could see this season being the start of a downward spiral. Pompey springs to mind...

[foxes_rule1978]

1 minute ago, Kitchandro said:

I'd like to point out that football wasn't invented in 1992, but fair enough.

 

 

No it wasn't, but there have been nearly 25 seasons worth of the PL... a good number and very few have won it since it was formed it is a different beast to the old division one and that is just fact 

[Guest Mickyblueeyes]

Last season was the greatest season in the history of this club. Collectively, the football club performed fantastically on and off the pitch. You can't take that away but it's just a memory now. We rubbed shoulders with the elite. You didn't have to tell people how good some players were, they told you. 

 

However, collectively, the same people who gave me that feelings of pride and joy have also collectively destroyed the best opportunity this football club had to cement itself as one of England's elite. They'll be long gone in a few years. Just like Taylor and his band of morons. We, on the other hand will still be here. Losing to Blackburn in a  quarter full Ewood Park on a Wednesday, asking what if. For that, I will and cannot forgive them. They are Trusted to look after this club which, as last season shows means so much to a city (I'm including the band of Man U "fans" who showed up to our parade whoring themselves out for the day). They broke that trust. And at present, they are not being held accountable, which annoys me more.

[Izzy]

9 minutes ago, Kitchandro said:

There's been a lot of talk about this on this forum and in the media. The feeling is that relegation would tarnish the memory of last season, and that we would be remembered as the team that got relegated straight after winning the league. We'd become a running joke.

 

But my question is - has this season not already tainted the title win, at least somewhat?

At the end of last season, almost every Leicester fan was in support of Ranieri having a statue outside our ground, for example. Considering now he's basically getting called an idiot left, right and centre (mostly in a polite way, in fairness) doesn't this seem rather unlikely now? Some (less intelligent) posters are even suggesting Nigel Pearson is the one who should have the statue. After thinking he was a genius last season, our tacicts perfectly balanced and selections/substitutions almost faultless, our mental strength unquestionned, he now appears to make one inexplicable decision after another. Is he still our Shankly, our Clough, our Fergie?

Likewise the players. That mural seemed a fitting tribute to a group of honest and in certain cases brilliant players who would always go down as Leicester's greatest team. But since, they have shown a very different side. They've been accused of many things, from being greedy and lazy, to being troublemakers, and backstabbers. They've even been accused of being shit footballers. And I have said some of these things myself. Surely, for the people who have made these comments, they have already gone down in our estimations?

I certainly feel that it is hard to have pride in some of these players again even if they do stay up. Some people may absolve them of blame and put all the responsibility on Claudio but, it's hard to argue that the ones who go out on the pitch have shown the right commitment and attitude this season. Our most important players from last season are arguably some of the biggest culprits. And had Claudio got the sack because of this, or if he does at the end of the season, will you be able to fully forgive them?

 

Of course, there are some that would say absolutely nothing could affect their view of that team. It's certainly true that no one can take that title win away from us, and it's the crowning moment we always felt was missing. And for certain people, that's enough for them to remember this group of players and manager with nothing but fondness and pride.

 

This isn't an anti-Claudio thread, or a pro-Claudio thread, nor have I started it to have a dig at the players (I've done that in other threads). I'm just interested to hear how people feel about it.

 

I think relegation would taint last season's achievements, but assuming we stay up: will the negativity towards the players and manager completely pass eventually, or will their reputations always be sullied, even if just a little bit, by how quick they sank?

Many posters were quick after last season to brand the entire squad as Leicester 'legends'.

I think what you've eluded to above demonstrates that it takes much more than one freak season to be worthy of that accolade.

 

[Livid]

The thing is as Champions we should be nowhere near the position we are in.

 

At the start of the season they played that little montage of last season pre kick off the hairs on the back of my neck stood up. Now I feel  resentment against the team for not letting me enjoy it.

 

Yes it's taken the gloss off it a bit.

 

 

[Guest the fox]

All I want is for the team to stay up. I want Leicester to be remembered as the underdog rather then the the champions that couldn't stay up. Staying in the PL and becoming a mid table team With a Europa league spot every 4-5 years will be the dream.

[foxes_rule1978]

1 minute ago, Izzy Muzzett said:

Many posters were quick after last season to brand the entire squad as Leicester 'legends'.

I think what you've eluded to above demonstrates that it takes much more than one freak season to be worthy of that accolade.

 

Most of these players got us out the championship with 102 points and finished 14th in the PL and then won the league. It was over more than one season really. 

[Babylon]

Not for me, two totally different seasons. The memories of last season will never be erased by this season.

[Guest the fox]

4 minutes ago, Izzy Muzzett said:

Many posters were quick after last season to brand the entire squad as Leicester 'legends'.

I think what you've eluded to above demonstrates that it takes much more than one freak season to be worthy of that accolade.

 

For me club legends from this team are:

Kasper, morgen, kingy,Drinkwater, mahrez and vardy.

 

They played the championship and won it. They played in the PL, fought relegation and won the league last season and are now playing in the champions league.

[RowlattsFox]

Last season will always be remembered but then will always be followed by "but then they got relegated" so I think it does take a little bit of the gloss off. 

 

We we stay up though, no one will remember how shit this season was. 

[Bob Weasel Fox]

1 hour ago, Kitchandro said:

There's been a lot of talk about this on this forum and in the media. The feeling is that relegation would tarnish the memory of last season, and that we would be remembered as the team that got relegated straight after winning the league. We'd become a running joke.

 

But my question is - has this season not already tainted the title win, at least somewhat?

At the end of last season, almost every Leicester fan was in support of Ranieri having a statue outside our ground, for example. Considering now he's basically getting called an idiot left, right and centre (mostly in a polite way, in fairness) doesn't this seem rather unlikely now? Some (less intelligent) posters are even suggesting Nigel Pearson is the one who should have the statue. After thinking he was a genius last season, our tacicts perfectly balanced and selections/substitutions almost faultless, our mental strength unquestionned, he now appears to make one inexplicable decision after another. Is he still our Shankly, our Clough, our Fergie?

Likewise the players. That mural seemed a fitting tribute to a group of honest and in certain cases brilliant players who would always go down as Leicester's greatest team. But since, they have shown a very different side. They've been accused of many things, from being greedy and lazy, to being troublemakers, and backstabbers. They've even been accused of being shit footballers. And I have said some of these things myself. Surely, for the people who have made these comments, they have already gone down in our estimations?

I certainly feel that it is hard to have pride in some of these players again even if they do stay up. Some people may absolve them of blame and put all the responsibility on Claudio but, it's hard to argue that the ones who go out on the pitch have shown the right commitment and attitude this season. Our most important players from last season are arguably some of the biggest culprits. And had Claudio got the sack because of this, or if he does at the end of the season, will you be able to fully forgive them?

 

Of course, there are some that would say absolutely nothing could affect their view of that team. It's certainly true that no one can take that title win away from us, and it's the crowning moment we always felt was missing. And for certain people, that's enough for them to remember this group of players and manager with nothing but fondness and pride.

 

This isn't an anti-Claudio thread, or a pro-Claudio thread, nor have I started it to have a dig at the players (I've done that in other threads). I'm just interested to hear how people feel about it.

 

I think relegation would taint last season's achievements, but assuming we stay up: will the negativity towards the players and manager completely pass eventually, or will their reputations always be sullied, even if just a little bit, by how quick they sank?

Great post Kitch

 

sometimes you can come across as a bit of an argumentative cvnt but in fairness this is a well thought out and good question

 

i am schizophrenic on this question as in some ways nothing could ever taint last season but in others it already has been tainted by how ****ing shit we have been this season

 

i certainly think if we went down it would be disastrous 

 

i mean yes yes we will eventually bounce back but I'm sure it would take some time to rebuild etc

[AyewJoking]

fúck tainted memories, how about not getting relegated simply cos it would hit us financially and we'd be back at square one.

 

i'll be over the moon if we get raped by derby, ass raped sevilla but somehow survive relegation.

[yorkie1999]

Ask any football fan in the country that wasn't from the big 4, would you take a premier league title and then relegation, i bet they'd snap your hand off. It's the holy grail and we've won it. This season's the relegation part of the deal, so it will never taint last season. 

[Arriba Los Zorros]

2 hours ago, the fox said:

All I want is for the team to stay up. I want Leicester to be remembered as the underdog rather then the the champions that couldn't stay up. Staying in the PL and becoming a mid table team With a Europa league spot every 4-5 years will be will be the dream.

It's so funny how at the end of least season and the start of this season people were scoffing at the idea of this, scoffing at 'mediocre, mid-table PL teams', poking fun at the likes of West Brom and Stoke for being mainstays without ever making a splash and now it's what we all want. This season has been a reality check if nothing else

[elvisfmcfly]

2 hours ago, Kitchandro said:

There's been a lot of talk about this on this forum and in the media. The feeling is that relegation would tarnish the memory of last season, and that we would be remembered as the team that got relegated straight after winning the league. We'd become a running joke.

 

But my question is - has this season not already tainted the title win, at least somewhat?

At the end of last season, almost every Leicester fan was in support of Ranieri having a statue outside our ground, for example. Considering now he's basically getting called an idiot left, right and centre (mostly in a polite way, in fairness) doesn't this seem rather unlikely now? Some (less intelligent) posters are even suggesting Nigel Pearson is the one who should have the statue. After thinking he was a genius last season, our tacicts perfectly balanced and selections/substitutions almost faultless, our mental strength unquestionned, he now appears to make one inexplicable decision after another. Is he still our Shankly, our Clough, our Fergie?

Likewise the players. That mural seemed a fitting tribute to a group of honest and in certain cases brilliant players who would always go down as Leicester's greatest team. But since, they have shown a very different side. They've been accused of many things, from being greedy and lazy, to being troublemakers, and backstabbers. They've even been accused of being shit footballers. And I have said some of these things myself. Surely, for the people who have made these comments, they have already gone down in our estimations?

I certainly feel that it is hard to have pride in some of these players again even if they do stay up. Some people may absolve them of blame and put all the responsibility on Claudio but, it's hard to argue that the ones who go out on the pitch have shown the right commitment and attitude this season. Our most important players from last season are arguably some of the biggest culprits. And had Claudio got the sack because of this, or if he does at the end of the season, will you be able to fully forgive them?

 

Of course, there are some that would say absolutely nothing could affect their view of that team. It's certainly true that no one can take that title win away from us, and it's the crowning moment we always felt was missing. And for certain people, that's enough for them to remember this group of players and manager with nothing but fondness and pride.

 

This isn't an anti-Claudio thread, or a pro-Claudio thread, nor have I started it to have a dig at the players (I've done that in other threads). I'm just interested to hear how people feel about it.

 

I think relegation would taint last season's achievements, but assuming we stay up: will the negativity towards the players and manager completely pass eventually, or will their reputations always be sullied, even if just a little bit, by how quick they sank?

If this manager and players keep us up absolutely not tainted at all,it is tainted now cause it's not looking like that will happen,if we do stay up then I ll be happy for them to have another crack next season but another start to the season like this one and Ranieri would have to go for me.I don't accept we are back to reality now and where we should be when Burnley and Watford are comfortably mid table which was our minimum target.

[Nalis]

Right now, it is a little tainted.

 

In 5 years time though, whether we are midtable in the premier league or doing an Ipswich in tbe championship, we wont give a shit about this season as the memories will be all about the title winning season.

[Spudulike]

Relegation isn't anything new. Most of us have been there before.

 

None of us have seen our club crowned as Champions of England before.

 

Last season tainted   Have a word with yourselves.

 

 

[STUHILL]

As Carragher said, we will always be remembered for the team that won the premier league... then got relegated the next season!

 

Definitely takes away the shine of such an amazing achievement. 

 

If we somehow manage to stay up, although our fans will always remember how close we came and this awful season, I think the general public will soon forget this season's struggles and we can be seen in a much more positive light again. If we sack Claudio AND go down anyway, then it would be probably the worst possible ending to such an amazing story. 

 

Stay up with Claudio, and I think everyone would breathe a big sigh of relief. 

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

I blame those in control of recruitment / negotiations more than I ever could the players or Claudio.

 

We'll always have last season and completing football.

[coolhandfox]

I don't think it will taint the season, but will taint the  legacy of some of the players i.e. Vardy should be a massive club legend for last season but his performances this year has took the gloss of it! 

[Guest Mickyblueeyes]

2 hours ago, yorkie1999 said:

Ask any football fan in the country that wasn't from the big 4, would you take a premier league title and then relegation, i bet they'd snap your hand off. It's the holy grail and we've won it. This season's the relegation part of the deal, so it will never taint last season. 

No they wouldn't. I'm sorry but at the end of the 2015 season had I told you, mate we are going to win the league in the next five years. You would've looked at me and thought, we are going be some serious players in this league then. If I then said but we will go down and be laughed at for years to come. I doubt any fans would take that.

 

 

It's fine to say right now but at the start of this season, not one fan would've "taken" what we are being fed now. We tell ourselves that cos it's ****ing shite. 

[chicagofox]

3 hours ago, foxes_rule1978 said:

Can't never take that title win away from us, 

That's not true.