Beechey Posted 11 April 2018 Posted 11 April 2018 2 minutes ago, MattP said: I didn't expect Obama to get rid of Assad, just make it abundantly clear there would be consequences if he broke international law. Any action is pointless now, the opposition has been gassed, Assad is going to win and Russia is again aakor player in the Middle East. Dangerous times ahead. The West has totally taken its eye off the ball and lost its position of power in that critical region. The geopolitical ramifications will be felt for decades, especially as Iraq is also pivoting towards Russia now. It's a primary reason the UK and others simply won't be angering Saudi Arabia any time soon. We are running out of friends in the region and losing influence.
leicsmac Posted 11 April 2018 Posted 11 April 2018 28 minutes ago, Beechey said: The West has totally taken its eye off the ball and lost its position of power in that critical region. The geopolitical ramifications will be felt for decades, especially as Iraq is also pivoting towards Russia now. It's a primary reason the UK and others simply won't be angering Saudi Arabia any time soon. We are running out of friends in the region and losing influence. Ain't realpolitik a cvnt?
Beechey Posted 11 April 2018 Posted 11 April 2018 Just now, leicsmac said: Ain't realpolitik a cvnt? Only when we're on the losing side
leicsmac Posted 11 April 2018 Posted 11 April 2018 12 minutes ago, Beechey said: Only when we're on the losing side Though tbh the only long term logical outcome of realpolitik is one where everyone loses.
Beechey Posted 11 April 2018 Posted 11 April 2018 UK orders subs toward Syria for possible missile strikes: Telegraph https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-britain-submarin/uk-orders-subs-toward-syria-for-possible-missile-strikes-telegraph-idUSKBN1HI34Q Tomahawk strikes it is. I mean at least we will see how the Astute-class operates in land strikes if nothing good comes of this.
leicsmac Posted 11 April 2018 Posted 11 April 2018 9 minutes ago, Beechey said: UK orders subs toward Syria for possible missile strikes: Telegraph https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-britain-submarin/uk-orders-subs-toward-syria-for-possible-missile-strikes-telegraph-idUSKBN1HI34Q Tomahawk strikes it is. I mean at least we will see how the Astute-class operates in land strikes if nothing good comes of this. Kill a few Russians and it might not just be the Astute-class having to warm up their missile slots.
Beechey Posted 11 April 2018 Posted 11 April 2018 Just now, leicsmac said: Kill a few Russians and it might not just be the Astute-class having to warm up their missile slots. I think the real danger of escalation here is if anyone uses aircraft, because if Russia does opt to shoot missiles down, it's not inconceivable that they might attack an aircraft, accidentally or not.
leicsmac Posted 11 April 2018 Posted 11 April 2018 3 minutes ago, Beechey said: I think the real danger of escalation here is if anyone uses aircraft, because if Russia does opt to shoot missiles down, it's not inconceivable that they might attack an aircraft, accidentally or not. That I agree with. Or (as I touched on in the main pol thread) the US and UK not letting the Russians know where a missile is coming down and a bunch of them getting killed on account of it. This is what I'm saying - it doesn't take much to escalate this to real problems. And after those real problems, no one left is going to give two shits about whether or not Han or Greedo shot first.
Stadt Posted 11 April 2018 Posted 11 April 2018 Leicsmac Realpoiltik counter: 2183138081363274078921452885683
leicsmac Posted 11 April 2018 Posted 11 April 2018 6 minutes ago, Wookie said: Leicsmac Realpoiltik counter: 2183138081363274078921452885683 Glad someone is keeping track of my personal hobby horse regarding people being twats to each other.
Stadt Posted 11 April 2018 Posted 11 April 2018 1 minute ago, leicsmac said: Glad someone is keeping track of my personal hobby horse regarding people being twats to each other. The Weltpolitik counter is lagging behind nowadays
sm1 Posted 12 April 2018 Posted 12 April 2018 On 11/04/2018 at 17:27, MattP said: If Obama had stuck to his red lines and not been so impotent we wouldn't be standing here watching children get gassed now. Unfortunately Assad and Putin know he was weak and full of shit and they could end up in this position of dominance because of it. You can't blame Trump for that no matter how much you want to. Obama didn't stick to his red line for good reason. Pulitzer prize winning author Seymour Hersh covers all the details in his book "The red line and the rat line"
leicsmac Posted 13 April 2018 Posted 13 April 2018 http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/382982-trump-blasts-comey-amid-book-drama-says-he-should-be-prosecuted Comey tells an interesting story. Trump, of course, reacting in his usual fashion. http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/380658-high-school-student-planning-first-gay-pride-parade-in-pences
Guest FriendlyRam Posted 13 April 2018 Posted 13 April 2018 So much dirt on him its unreal Even Alex Jones and his mob are starting to subtly change their tone regarding Trump as well, just the other night Alex Jones was saying he was going to drop Trump "like an old shoe" if he went "sideways" (whatever that means) If Trump loses the Alex Jones loonies he's effectively nothing.
leicsmac Posted 13 April 2018 Posted 13 April 2018 Also relevant. (Also just to be sure, let's not get into a semantic contest regarding the word "dictatorship" here, please. The important thing is the meddling, not taking one use of terminology a little too far.)
leicsmac Posted 14 April 2018 Posted 14 April 2018 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/373527227935518720 Oh, and someone find the one where he says that a President shouldn't order such an attack without the approval of Congress. Damn hypocrite.
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 14 April 2018 Posted 14 April 2018 This feels a rushed and botched job, with no plan on what the final outcome is or consideration on what the counter response may be. It has to be about Russia as much as Syria for me - but there is something to be said for holding the moral high ground. Bombing Damascus just means Russia / Syria can present the propaganda they want about the US, France and us. And if there is a slither of believable truth that ISIS have launched a counter offensive in the region as a result - well we all look even more foolish. This wasn’t needed now... it could have waited. Cool heads prevail ?
Jattdogg Posted 14 April 2018 Posted 14 April 2018 Just a distraction to take us away from comeys interview, book and golden showers. Also shows he could never have colluded if he is so willing to go against Russia in syria.
sylofox Posted 14 April 2018 Posted 14 April 2018 Should we run a sweepstake on where Russia will hit in response. Purely for football reasons I hope he hits burnley.
Mike Oxlong Posted 14 April 2018 Posted 14 April 2018 Trump looks constipated during his address to the nation and there’s me shitting myself !
Bellend Sebastian Posted 14 April 2018 Posted 14 April 2018 1 hour ago, Mike Oxlong said: Trump looks constipated during his address to the nation and there’s me shitting myself ! Nobody wants to be within 50 miles when that unblocks. Oh, the humanity
leicsmac Posted 21 April 2018 Posted 21 April 2018 https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/19/science/jim-bridenstine-nasa.html I said it when he was first mooted and I'll repeat it now: a fast-moving, cutting-edge organisation like NASA at the present time is suppose to be is no place for those who lack experience and are...shall we say, traditional in thought. Especially at the top.
Mr Mister Posted 22 April 2018 Posted 22 April 2018 As much as I hate that disgrace of a man, he seems to be getting something going with North Korea.
ithuriel Posted 22 April 2018 Posted 22 April 2018 4 hours ago, Mr Mister said: As much as I hate that disgrace of a man, he seems to be getting something going with North Korea. Maybe bad hair do's and megalomania is something they have in common and peeps often need a common place to begin conversing
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