what to expect when you play a Spanish team

[brisfox]

I was watching the Barcelona vs PSG game last night. Suarez was throwing himself down the the penalty area like he had been shot. It eventually paid off for them as the ref was intimidated into awarding a penalty that changed the game. I was at both Athletico games and remember the ref was shockingly bad, especially in the game at Filbo. I am expecting something similar at the KP, alot of diving, rolling around and penalty claims. Does anybody know who the ref will be for the game? All we ask is that he is fair. I suspect that maybe he might be got at . It wouldnt be the first time.

[norwichfox]

As if we don't have enough to worry about....fair point though, sorry don't know who the ref is.

[tom27111]

I'm pretty sure that the referee appointment is announced just a couple of days before the match to reduce the risk of corruption. 

[FraserSorensen]

2 minutes ago, tom27111 said:

I'm pretty sure that the referee appointment is announced just a couple of days before the match to reduce the risk of corruption. 

Correct. The good news for us is that Cakir (ref from the Porto home game) already took charge of Napoli/Real Madrid. I think we'll get a decent ref.

 

Edit: Yes iPhone, I did want to type Cakir and not Clair.

[Guest MattP]

We'll see it all unfortunately, pressure on the refs, the cheating, the acting.

 

Our players just have to make sure they don't do anything stupid.

[zealot]

We'll definitely see it - which is good thing... it works both ways.

Jamie throws himself around and dives like 'an englishman' a lot of the time so bring it on!

[ZeGuy]

I personnally expect to face an organisated team, technically good, generally comfortable with the ball, attack minded with a tendency to play high and not very hard on the duels.

 

PSG lost the game more than Barca won it. Even with a soft penalty it should never ever have happened. You can't blow a 4 goals advantage AND one away goal. In the added time at that. It's amateur-ish and crimininal at this level. They deserved to go home.

 

Cheat and diving aren't specific to spanish teams. If we play our game and give everything we have, we can go through. With or without the referee.

[Fox42]

2 minutes ago, zealot said:

We'll definitely see it - which is good thing... it works both ways.

Jamie throws himself around and dives like 'an englishman' a lot of the time so bring it on!

This. I think we just have to play them at their own game (by that I mean the antics, not their style of play).

[Beliall]

1 minute ago, Fox42 said:

This. I think we just have to play them at their own game (by that I mean the antics, not their style of play).

Thats the spirit, if you cant win, cheat. 

[Fox42]

2 minutes ago, Beliall said:

Thats the spirit, if you cant win, cheat. 

Well we're the home team, we need to show them how it's done the English way  

 

 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

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[EGBFitness]

52 minutes ago, FraserSorensen said:

Correct. The good news for us is that Cakir (ref from the Porto home game) already took charge of Napoli/Real Madrid. I think we'll get a decent ref.

 

Edit: Yes iPhone, I did want to type Cakir and not Clair.

If that's true then happy we have him as ref. 

 

Porto tried their luck numerous times against us at home and ref either booked or allowed play to continue. I'm sure Savilla will be the same if game is 0-0 after 60 mins. 

[tom27111]

2 minutes ago, EGBFitness said:

If that's true then happy we have him as ref. 

 

Porto tried their luck numerous times against us at home and ref either booked or allowed play to continue. I'm sure Savilla will be the same if game is 0-0 after 60 mins. 

 

[Strokes]

We are not too shabby at a bit of play acting ourselves, what's good for the goose......

[MC Prussian]

1 hour ago, brisfox said:

I was watching the Barcelona vs PSG game last night. Suarez was throwing himself down the the penalty area like he had been shot. It eventually paid off for them as the ref was intimidated into awarding a penalty that changed the game. I was at both Athletico games and remember the ref was shockingly bad, especially in the game at Filbo. I am expecting something similar at the KP, alot of diving, rolling around and penalty claims. Does anybody know who the ref will be for the game? All we ask is that he is fair. I suspect that maybe he might be got at . It wouldnt be the first time.

I don't know about the intimidation part - the referee yesterday was pretty fair on both sides and reprimanded Suarez a few times, leading up to him receiving a deserved yellow for simulating.

 

It's tough to make the right call on such a penalty incident when you're positioned behind the players in question, not being able to see the contact or lack thereof precisely.

Also remember that the linesman didn't wave his flag.

 

I found the penalty for the "foul" on Neymar much more baffling - the PSG player obviously loses grip and stumbles, but I don't see a clear intention of trying to prevent Neymar from scoring. Neymar intentionally runs into him, tripping, seeking contact.

Then there was the "foul" by Di Maria on Neymar that led to the latter's free-kick goal - anybody else notice that there wasn't a replay of that "foul"?

[foxy boxing]

the play acting, 

the diving to the floor,

the invisible yellow card the players when we make a tackle,

the  surrounding of the referee

[Ted Maul]

I thought Sevilla were okay compared to other Spanish clubs in the first leg.

 

That might change when they're under the cosh and in danger of going out though...

[The whole world smiles]

This thread reeks of hypocrisy. Its as if some of you think top level english football is played in the true spirit of sport.

[FraserSorensen]

53 minutes ago, EGBFitness said:

If that's true then happy we have him as ref. 

 

Porto tried their luck numerous times against us at home and ref either booked or allowed play to continue. I'm sure Savilla will be the same if game is 0-0 after 60 mins. 

I meant this as the total opposite - Cakir broke up the play constantly. There were 40 fouls in total (1 nearly every 2 minutes), which is astounding when you consider Michael Oliver gave just 13 in our match against Liverpool the other week. He was appalling in that game (for both teams I felt) and he was generally considered atrocious on here (not always a good benchmark to judge against). The referee from the first leg in Sevilla was brilliant and whilst I don't think we'll get him again, I think we've avoided two of the worst from this weeks fixtures.

[FraserSorensen]

5 minutes ago, The whole world smiles said:

This thread reeks of hypocrisy. Its as if some of you think top level english football is played in the true spirit of sport.

Especially when the Suarez dive which he was actually booked for was exactly the same as Vardy vs West Ham.

 

I also think people criticising the ref have to also consider that not giving the pen would have meant sending Suarez off for diving given the yellow he had already. I don't think any of us could consider it an easy decision in the 95th minute of a game of that magnitude.

[brisfox]

Funny how the big teams always seem to get the 50/50 calls their way (Barcelona last night, Man United not having a peno against them at home for 9 years from 1998 to 2007). Suarez is a cheat. he certainly was looking for it last night

[yorkie1999]

2 hours ago, MattP said:

We'll see it all unfortunately, pressure on the refs, the cheating, the acting.

 

Our players just have to make sure they don't do anything stupid.

Or play them at their own game, which is probably the easiest option as it seems to me that a lot of top players (costa, suarez) are top players because of their skills at conning the ref. Wes needs to go down a bit more and make it look like the other player has elbowed him or kicked him in the nuts.

[fazzyfox]

Neymar and Suarez were so embarrassing last night that it was funny but who's laughing now, they are, they're through. Defenders are on a hiding to nothing, foul them and it's a foul with likelyhood of a card, win the ball cleanly and it's a foul, any physical contact at all it's a foul, near physical contact by being within two inches of opponent is a foul. According to Ronaldo and those two by their reactions they have never ever been tackled cleanly in their lives, every challenge on them is a foul. Yes, as talented players they will be fouled more often than most other players but they've now made an artform of looking for it, something Vardy does as well, from unusually angled trailing legs rotating and fishing for a contact to beginning their dives before any contact is made to overacting in their reconstruction mimes (Suarez being "strangled" last night). Just wish there was retrospective action on it or that someone shows them what a painful challenge actually looks like. 

From our perspective if we can get Mahrez high up the pitch enough to weave into the box as he does so well and 30,000 shout "Heyyyyyyy" (not like Fonzie, but like Spaniards do) as soon as he's breathed on by an opponent then maybe we'll have some penalties of our own. Knowing our luck if Vardy tries his leg trailing he'll get cards, he's not established enough at the top table of UEFA to get away with the nonsense the others do.

[walkerleeds]

3 hours ago, MattP said:

We'll see it all unfortunately, pressure on the refs, the cheating, the acting.

 

Our players just have to make sure they don't do anything stupid.

 

That's us fvcked then.

[simFox]

He was "falling" for about 2m and stumbled his way right into Neymars path

1 hour ago, MC Prussian said:

I don't know about the intimidation part - the referee yesterday was pretty fair on both sides and reprimanded Suarez a few times, leading up to him receiving a deserved yellow for simulating.

 

It's tough to make the right call on such a penalty incident when you're positioned behind the players in question, not being able to see the contact or lack thereof precisely.

Also remember that the linesman didn't wave his flag.

 

I found the penalty for the "foul" on Neymar much more baffling - the PSG player obviously loses grip and stumbles, but I don't see a clear intention of trying to prevent Neymar from scoring. Neymar intentionally runs into him, tripping, seeking contact.

Then there was the "foul" by Di Maria on Neymar that led to the latter's free-kick goal - anybody else notice that there wasn't a replay of that "foul"?

. Yes it was a peno.