Premier League, 2017-2018 Season Thread

[StanSP]

Elneny is such an idiot out of all that. No reason or need to push the Southampton player in the face  

 

Wilshere has been crap since he came on as well. 

[UniFox21]

1 minute ago, StanSP said:

Elneny is such an idiot out of all that. No reason or need to push the Southampton player in the face  

 

Wilshere has been crap since he came on as well. 

Such a needless red, and what an idiot

[RowlattsFox]

Stupid that a piece of cynical play with no attempt to abide by the rules of the game is punished less than a push. 

[Facecloth]

5 minutes ago, KingsX said:

Wilshere must have been watching Gayle on Maguire yesterday.  Jerk.

I'm having an arguement with my mate who supports Newcastle on this. He rightly says raising your hands is a red, but I argued that there should be mitigating circumstances, your reaction shouldn't be punished if the provocation is high. Gayle is all over Maguire and not matter what he does, Gayle won't let go. Wilshere pulls Stephens shirt so hard he rips it. I think in both cases the player can be let off for reacting a little.

[gurru991]

14 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

I'm having an arguement with my mate who supports Newcastle on this. He rightly says raising your hands is a red, but I argued that there should be mitigating circumstances, your reaction shouldn't be punished if the provocation is high. Gayle is all over Maguire and not matter what he does, Gayle won't let go. Wilshere pulls Stephens shirt so hard he rips it. I think in both cases the player can be let off for reacting a little.

Hands to an opponents face is automatic red. If the ref sees it he has to give it.

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, gurru991 said:

Hands to an opponents face is automatic red. If the ref sees it he has to give it.

Wilshere is so small his head is at the level of a normal person's chest.

 

Wilshere is also a disgusting, vile individual.

 

Both he and Gayle should have been sent off for continual fouling and being nasty "human beings"

[hatasi]

On wilshere's incident, there are 4-5 pulling shirts fouls per game on average. in many occasions it leads to fights ( 

) 

 

all those fouls are avoidable if players wore a tshirts (like a bodyskin for swimmers) that hugs the body tightly..

 

could this be applicable in football in your opinioin?

 

(sorry for my bad english)

 

Edited 8 April 2018 by hatasi

[Fox92]

56 minutes ago, Bob Weasel Fox said:

Drinkwater on the bench again for Chelski 

 

inspired decision to jump ship

Why not? If you're ambitious then why reject a chance of winning more trophies?

 

Why is leaving nowadays considered "jumping ship". He's gone to a bigger club, end of.

[The Guvnor]

32 minutes ago, gurru991 said:

Hands to an opponents face is automatic red. If the ref sees it he has to give it.

If Gayle wasn't so vertically challenged it would have been his chest not his face.

[TheUltimateWinner]

Maguire just turned round and went to push away whoever it was pulling on him, just so happened Gayle was half the size of him so he caught his face.

 

I still think it was a red card mind, but Maguire wasn't intentionally striking the face.

[Tuna]

Goalkeeper makes a great save and is rewarded with a defensive shambles from the resulting corner 

[Fox92]

1 minute ago, TheUltimateWinner said:

Maguire just turned round and went to push away whoever it was pulling on him, just so happened Gayle was half the size of him so he caught his face.

 

I still think it was a red card mind, but Maguire wasn't intentionally striking the face.

Tbh Gayle looks like he needs a slap

Edited 8 April 2018 by Fox92

[KingsX]

14 minutes ago, hatasi said:

On wilshere's incident, there are 4-5 pulling shirts fouls per game on average. in many occasions it leads to fights

all those fouls are avoidable if players wore a tshirts (like a bodyskin for swimmers) that hugs the body tightly..

could this be applicable in football in your opinioin?

 

Time to revive an old Cleveland Browns staple?

 

 

Unable to catch up with Greg Pruitt, defenders often resorted to "shirt tackling," by grabbing his jersey and pulling the running back to the ground. In response, Pruitt employed the "tear-away" jersey made out of lightweight fabric that would easily rip apart when pulled. Instead of a tackle, defenders were left with a handful of fabric.

 

Pruitt took his tear-aways to Cleveland, where he was selected to the Pro-Bowl in 4 of his first 5 years. During his career, the Browns equipment manager was one of the busiest staffers on the field, replacing an estimated 4 or 5 Pruitt jerseys per game.  In 1979 the NFL adopted the "Greg Pruitt Rule," banning the tear-away jersey. Pruitt may be the only professional football player to have had his jersey retired 5 years before the end of his career.

 

I’d love to see Dwight Gayle on his arse with a 1 in his left paw and a 5 in his right, while Harry motors on toward goal.

[davieG]

2 hours ago, Facecloth said:

I'm having an arguement with my mate who supports Newcastle on this. He rightly says raising your hands is a red, but I argued that there should be mitigating circumstances, your reaction shouldn't be punished if the provocation is high. Gayle is all over Maguire and not matter what he does, Gayle won't let go. Wilshere pulls Stephens shirt so hard he rips it. I think in both cases the player can be let off for reacting a little.

The ref and his assistant are to blame as well for not blowing for a free kick sooner. 

[ZeGuy]

West Ham won't go down it seems.

[gurru991]

1 minute ago, ZeGuy said:

West Ham won't go down it seems.

Shame really !!! 

I wanted them to.

[fazzyfox]

5 minutes ago, davieG said:

The ref and his assistant are to blame as well for not blowing for a free kick sooner. 

Agree in Maguires case, there were at least three phases of pulling shirt, knee in back of leg, leg hooking round onto foot on Maguire which if the ref blows for the first or second there's no situation later from Maguire. Attwell didn't appear to gesture play on but then again he's not exactly orthodox in his decision making and communication skills (I'm being polite). We weren't particularly on the break or upfield so playing on was less beneficial than stopping the game and showing some authority would have been. With Southampton I'd be more inclined to allow play on as they were on a very dangerous break, ironically it was the punch which stopped the game and his own teams chance to create a chance but would Southampton have wanted the game stopping earlier for the shirt pulls / removal and ending their break? It's an interesting angle that if violent conduct is "caused" by reacting by foul play which was allowed to continue by a ref should there be some lesser punishment? It used to be called common sense refereing to assess every incident on its merits and all surrounding factors but that's becoming less and less possible with directives and assessments. If you allow individual interpratations you move further away from the one thing we all want which is consistency so it's a very difficult one but the current situation of allowing foul play to escalate then punishing the victim for eventually reacting seems wrong but then again stopping attacks to bring back play for a free kick would frustrate and you can't really allow the strength of reaction by the Southampton player. Maybe introduce a straight red for that type of holding where they're not even trying to win the ball as a deterrent? Fellaini would play about twenty minutes a season!

[Bob Weasel Fox]

2 hours ago, Fox92 said:

Why not? If you're ambitious then why reject a chance of winning more trophies?

 

Why is leaving nowadays considered "jumping ship". He's gone to a bigger club, end of.

I know what you are saying bud and you know I have always respected (if not agreed) with your point of view

 

saying “jumping ship” is hardly the worst insult in the world (if it is any insult to be fair?)

 

point of of view also is that Leicester is OUR big club I’m not really arsed about anyone else

[Fox92]

6 minutes ago, Bob Weasel Fox said:

I know what you are saying bud and you know I have always respected (if not agreed) with your point of view

 

saying “jumping ship” is hardly the worst insult in the world (if it is any insult to be fair?)

 

point of of view also is that Leicester is OUR big club I’m not really arsed about anyone else

Fair play. I didn't see it as an insult, I just thought you were saying he should have stayed here regardless.

 

Also, yeah, agree with the bottom line there.

[Bob Weasel Fox]

1 minute ago, Fox92 said:

Fair play. I didn't see it as an insult, I just thought you were saying he should have stayed here regardless.

 

Also, yeah, agree with the bottom line there.

No not saying he should of stayed at all I agree moving to chelski is better wages and more chance of trophies etc

 

however playing time etc maybe not so good?

[filbertway]

3 minutes ago, Bob Weasel Fox said:

No not saying he should of stayed at all I agree moving to chelski is better wages and more chance of trophies etc

 

however playing time etc maybe not so good?

How he was playing, it wouldn't have been a shock to see him 3rd/4th choice by this point.

[Fox92]

4 minutes ago, Bob Weasel Fox said:

No not saying he should of stayed at all I agree moving to chelski is better wages and more chance of trophies etc

 

however playing time etc maybe not so good?

I know yeah that's the issue. Barkley too (if he's fit again). Always looks like the manager didn't want him/them. 

 

But if Conte leaves there'll also be a problem as to whether the next manager likes him.

 

If Drinkwater was going "cheap" (ie £14mill or less) I think I'd like to see him back here.

[davieG]

23 minutes ago, fazzyfox said:

Agree in Maguires case, there were at least three phases of pulling shirt, knee in back of leg, leg hooking round onto foot on Maguire which if the ref blows for the first or second there's no situation later from Maguire. Attwell didn't appear to gesture play on but then again he's not exactly orthodox in his decision making and communication skills (I'm being polite). We weren't particularly on the break or upfield so playing on was less beneficial than stopping the game and showing some authority would have been. With Southampton I'd be more inclined to allow play on as they were on a very dangerous break, ironically it was the punch which stopped the game and his own teams chance to create a chance but would Southampton have wanted the game stopping earlier for the shirt pulls / removal and ending their break? It's an interesting angle that if violent conduct is "caused" by reacting by foul play which was allowed to continue by a ref should there be some lesser punishment? It used to be called common sense refereing to assess every incident on its merits and all surrounding factors but that's becoming less and less possible with directives and assessments. If you allow individual interpratations you move further away from the one thing we all want which is consistency so it's a very difficult one but the current situation of allowing foul play to escalate then punishing the victim for eventually reacting seems wrong but then again stopping attacks to bring back play for a free kick would frustrate and you can't really allow the strength of reaction by the Southampton player. Maybe introduce a straight red for that type of holding where they're not even trying to win the ball as a deterrent? Fellaini would play about twenty minutes a season!

Well the Assistant could certainly have flagged he was almost directly in line with the incident, I was out of my seat calling for a free kick well before Maguire retaliated.

 

It seems to me that many of the changes they've made to the laws of the game in an attempt to get clarity and consistency they've made it more open to interpretation like the offside rulings and hand ball etc.

 

There's also been a complete disregard to certain rules like the elapsed time a goalkeeper can retain the ball, ten yards from a free kick unless it's a set up one and time wasting is a complete joke as is the added time.

 

Whilst I'm on this rant now that they've changed the kick-off nearly every game starts with the player kicking off in the opposition's half of the field, did that change at the same time?

[Bob Weasel Fox]

Just now, filbertway said:

How he was playing, it wouldn't have been a shock to see him 3rd/4th choice by this point.

Also a fair point bud but who knows what would of happened had he stayed 

 

hoe England chances have increased in some ways going to Chelsea but probably decreased with lack of playing time

 

its a fine balance 

[filbertway]

4 minutes ago, Bob Weasel Fox said:

Also a fair point bud but who knows what would of happened had he stayed 

 

hoe England chances have increased in some ways going to Chelsea but probably decreased with lack of playing time

 

its a fine balance 

To be fair I thought it was mad that he left, he was on very good money with us and starting week in week out. He also must have turned England down about 4 or 5 times as well.

 

It was an incredible deal for us though so I was glad he did decide to move on, £35 million for a guy that hadn't played consistently well for nearly 12 months. Madness.

 

On the plus side, he's obviously not too stressed about life, his hair has magically started growing back. Life in the big smoke is obviously treating him well.