Guest Posted 30 May 2017 Posted 30 May 2017 2 hours ago, MattP said: Every Tory voter in here is blasting their own leadership. 2 hours ago, Swan Lesta said: Yet still voting Tory. Kinda like bucking up in the passenger seat of your favourite super car despite the fact Stevie Wonder is at the wheel in the hope that mid drive somehow David Davies climbs out the boot and takes control. This.
Guest Posted 30 May 2017 Posted 30 May 2017 57 minutes ago, MattP said: Who are we supposed to vote for Nick? The alternative is group of total morons who despise their own country who you wouldn't let run a tuck shop, let alone a nation. It's a complete joke, I'm still sat here with Diane Abbott being offered up for one of the great offices of state. Diane abbott is shite, it's true. But then boris is also a nutjob. There's no way abbott would be home secretary within the first couple of reshuffles- labour will be well aware of the public's view of her. Let's be honest, the terrorist sympathiser/morons lines are rubbish. Whatever idiocy corbyn got involved in 30 years ago has come and gone. At this moment he is looking and sounding credible. He may differ from the norm in not being all for nuclear warheads but that really doesn't make the guy an enemy of the people. We've seen him be a man willing to stick to principal even when he knows it isn't popular and we've also seen that he's far more pragmatic than he's given credit for. This campaign has basically shown that he isn't bad at all. Personally i like what he NOW stands for but i understand he has his detractors. That may not be enough for you to vote for him but don't go voting for a party that is in an utterly shambolic state with a dreadful leader in theresa may. If you don't like either offering, opt out. It's come to something when tory supporters are voting tory purely as a tactical vote!
Realist Guy In The Room Posted 30 May 2017 Posted 30 May 2017 1 hour ago, MattP said: Who are we supposed to vote for Nick? The alternative is group of total morons who despise their own country who you wouldn't let run a tuck shop, let alone a nation. It's a complete joke, I'm still sat here with Diane Abbott being offered up for one of the great offices of state. They'll only get in if its a coalition. Abbott deffo wouldnt be Home Secretary.
Realist Guy In The Room Posted 30 May 2017 Posted 30 May 2017 Corbyn was good on the hotbed of political debate that is the One Show.
MPH Posted 30 May 2017 Posted 30 May 2017 It almost feels like having to choose between Ron Robert Zieler or Conrad logan to be on goal for the next game
Strokes Posted 30 May 2017 Posted 30 May 2017 20 minutes ago, Buce said: Whoa Steady on, I'm not going that far.
Alf Bentley Posted 30 May 2017 Posted 30 May 2017 Apparently Labour will only announce in the morning who they're sending to take part in the BBC leaders' debate tomorrow night: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/30/jeremy-corbyn-to-decide-on-tv-election-debate-appearance There's a risk in Corbyn participating, but potentially a lot more to be gained - not least repeatedly highlighting May's lack of leadership and disrespect for the electorate in opting out. Bad news if they're intending to send Emily Thornberry.....I can't see her winning many over with her snooty, hectoring manner, quite the contrary. Mind you, Amber Rudd could face a few awkward questions about Brexit policy and our Foreign Secretary, given what she was saying a year ago....
Guest Posted 30 May 2017 Posted 30 May 2017 Corbyn simply has to go himself. He could tear may a new one. The only downside is that the snp are also looking like sending a replacement but you'd think a quick call from corbyn to sturgeon might see her also turn up to embarress may given the scottish polls.
Alf Bentley Posted 30 May 2017 Posted 30 May 2017 Corbyn apologises for his cock-up, forgetting childcare figure, but explains the policy: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/election-2017-40091456/jeremy-corbyn-apologises-for-childcare-costs-stumble Labour is clearly vulnerable to accusations of promising too much spending in too many areas. They definitely have promised too much, I reckon: tuition fees, triple lock on pensions, multiple nationalisations etc. But much of the spending is a good investment for the long-term and a boost to growth in the short-term: e.g. the pledges to spend on infrastructure, skills, housing - and childcare.
Realist Guy In The Room Posted 30 May 2017 Posted 30 May 2017 1 minute ago, Alf Bentley said: Corbyn apologises for his cock-up, forgetting childcare figure, but explains the policy: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/election-2017-40091456/jeremy-corbyn-apologises-for-childcare-costs-stumble Labour is clearly vulnerable to accusations of promising too much spending in too many areas. They definitely have promised too much, I reckon: tuition fees, triple lock on pensions, multiple nationalisations etc. But much of the spending is a good investment for the long-term and a boost to growth in the short-term: e.g. the pledges to spend on infrastructure, skills, housing - and childcare. Rudkins replacement. Gerrimin.
Nick Posted 30 May 2017 Posted 30 May 2017 2 hours ago, MattP said: Who are we supposed to vote for Nick? The alternative is group of total morons who despise their own country who you wouldn't let run a tuck shop, let alone a nation. It's a complete joke, I'm still sat here with Diane Abbott being offered up for one of the great offices of state. I've said several times there isn't a credible, nailed on candidate from any of the parties. Ive also never been convinced by Corbyn though his doggedness and manifesto has in some way 'Wengered' my respect somehow! @Sharpe's Fox you can bugger off with your Tory boy accusations May is looking weak and wobbly to quote the idiots at UKIP Farron I couldn't vote for despite siding with many liberal policies. Greens I side with on most things. (though not necessarily environmental related policy) @MattP vote for who you like but it seems weird to me to acknowledge the weaknesses and crap policy of your party and then vote for them despite that. I agree with you about Abbot she's an outstanding embarrassment on a number of levels however she's for me got purer and less harmful intentions than Johnson or Gove just nowhere near the political eptitude to be convincing. There won't be a vote from me for any of the main 3 parties on principle alone.
Charl91 Posted 30 May 2017 Posted 30 May 2017 Labour have massively over promised on their manifesto, in my opinion, presumably because they figure they'll never get in and have to implement it. They'll never be able to fund all the stuff that they've promised. Meanwhile, the Tories have been more 'honest' in some regards, but also very vague on a lot of theirs, which I imagine is so they then have the license to do whatveer they please (since the result has always been thought to be a foregone conclusion). Neither's a great choice, but as a Teacher I've got no choice but to vote Labour really. Still, I've voted Tory and Lib-Dem in my last two elections, so I just need to vote for Labour and a few fringe parties to complete the collection.
The Guvnor Posted 30 May 2017 Posted 30 May 2017 1 hour ago, toddybad said: Diane abbott is shite, it's true. But then boris is also a nutjob. There's no way abbott would be home secretary within the first couple of reshuffles- labour will be well aware of the public's view of her. Let's be honest, the terrorist sympathiser/morons lines are rubbish. Whatever idiocy corbyn got involved in 30 years ago has come and gone. At this moment he is looking and sounding credible. He may differ from the norm in not being all for nuclear warheads but that really doesn't make the guy an enemy of the people. We've seen him be a man willing to stick to principal even when he knows it isn't popular and we've also seen that he's far more pragmatic than he's given credit for. This campaign has basically shown that he isn't bad at all. Personally i like what he NOW stands for but i understand he has his detractors. That may not be enough for you to vote for him but don't go voting for a party that is in an utterly shambolic state with a dreadful leader in theresa may. If you don't like either offering, opt out. It's come to something when tory supporters are voting tory purely as a tactical vote! It's funny isn't it that if you asked six months ago which party met that criteria I would suggest almost 100% would say the Labour Party. The Tories have had a mare of a campaign so far, more u turns than a pissed up cabby, however when nearly all to a man and woman within the LP wanted Corbyn out, you know the people that work with him on a regular basis doesn't that speak volumes? And comparing Dianne with Boris, really, I realise Boris may be a bit of a maverick but Dianne, well she has hardly come across as a fountain of knowledge has she, let's just leave it at that.
Strokes Posted 30 May 2017 Posted 30 May 2017 Even if the conservatives do increase their majority, I think they will find parliament a lot tougher here on in. I'm not sure the party can be behind this manifesto and Labour actually look like an opposition now. It might seem all doom and gloom politics ATM but I think/hope there is a glimmer of light to follow shortly.
filthyfox Posted 30 May 2017 Posted 30 May 2017 LABOUR ARE THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE..... it's a shame the senior leads hip can't have an alternative; but, they have my vote (nice set if policies); but if they can't deliver I will NEVER vote for them again.
The Doctor Posted 30 May 2017 Posted 30 May 2017 9 minutes ago, The Guvnor said: And comparing Dianne with Boris, really, I realise Boris may be a bit of a maverick but Dianne, well she has hardly come across as a fountain of knowledge has she, let's just leave it at that. Don't see how that counters his point tbh, he acknowledged Abbott is a useless millstone around labours neck, most labour voters I know do so as well. Doesn't change that boris is an absolute shocker. Even if I had the time of day for right wing philosophies, having that catastrophe of a man as foreign secretary would be enough to stop the tories getting my vote - every time that man opens his mouth the foot goes in and causes no end of problems. Abbott may be a car crash, granted, but boris is likewise.
Dr The Singh Posted 30 May 2017 Posted 30 May 2017 4 minutes ago, The Doctor said: Don't see how that counters his point tbh, he acknowledged Abbott is a useless millstone around labours neck, most labour voters I know do so as well. Doesn't change that boris is an absolute shocker. Even if I had the time of day for right wing philosophies, having that catastrophe of a man as foreign secretary would be enough to stop the tories getting my vote - every time that man opens his mouth the foot goes in and causes no end of problems. Abbott may be a car crash, granted, but boris is likewise. Ffs Boris is well more credible then that Muppet. Boris was key to engineer brexit,. Abbot couldn't arrange a piss up in a brewery. She may change her hair doo and change her opinion on the size of my cock
Dr The Singh Posted 30 May 2017 Posted 30 May 2017 2 minutes ago, Webbo said: That is scary, UKIp should have e atleast 20 seats
Dr The Singh Posted 30 May 2017 Posted 30 May 2017 1 minute ago, Sharpe's Fox said: we are not gaining 20 seats ffs I know us UKIP followrs are disappointed
Sharpe's Fox Posted 30 May 2017 Posted 30 May 2017 3 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said: I know us UKIP followrs are disappointed Do you actually understand UK politics? I think you need to ditch UKIP.
Dr The Singh Posted 30 May 2017 Posted 30 May 2017 Just now, Sharpe's Fox said: Do you actually understand UK politics? I think you need to ditch UKIP. You taking the piss, how dare u ask me that. UKIP are the future
ajthefox Posted 30 May 2017 Posted 30 May 2017 2 hours ago, MPH said: It almost feels like having to choose between Ron Robert Zieler or Conrad logan to be on goal for the next game More like next 5 seasons!!
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