Gylfi Sigurdsson

[st albans fox]

3 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

Surely the idea is to sign players so that we don't 'flirt with relegation'

It's not like we aren't a wealthy club, we are. 

Where's your ambition? 

135 k per week is what it takes to pay this calibre of player. 

What we are doing wrong is to not get the rubbish off the wage bill so that we can better balance the books. Unfortunately, the likes of Musa, Mendy and Amartey..no one seems to want. 

We have filled up too much with mediocrity.

I'm more inclined towards the issue of variance of salary across the squad. if we were buying a 'galactico' just passed their best or someone on a free who had run down their existing contract then you could get away with it. I don't think kasper, jamie et al would be over impressed with paying 35m and 135k/week for gylfi. Not saying that's right or wrong but it's the reality of the situation 

[Trav Le Bleu]

Just now, Col city fan said:

Surely the idea is to sign players so that we don't 'flirt with relegation'

It's not like we aren't a wealthy club, we are. 

Where's your ambition? 

135 k per week is what it takes to pay this calibre of player. 

Using that argument, why not pay everyone 150k or 200k a week?

We are not a wealthy club, not in the way that Man City, Utd or Chelsea are and Everton have the stability we would crave (60 years in the top flight, only 3 seasons out of it).

 

The owner's business dealings so far have proven acumen. I'm happy to build slowly, rather than boom and bust, which we so nearly did last season.

[Trav Le Bleu]

16 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

Surely the idea is to sign players so that we don't 'flirt with relegation'

It's not like we aren't a wealthy club, we are. 

Where's your ambition? 

135 k per week is what it takes to pay this calibre of player. 

What we are doing wrong is to not get the rubbish off the wage bill so that we can better balance the books. Unfortunately, the likes of Musa, Mendy, Mahrez and Amartey..no one seems to want. 

We have filled up too much with mediocrity.

Fixed.

[Max Power]

If Sigurdsson was on £135k then surely Vardy, Schmeichel and Mahrez would expect pay rises 

[Ozwin]

How are Everton funding all this? Sure they're getting £75M for Lukaku but they're signing bloody loads of players and presumably on massive wages too.

 

I must've missed the part where they were taken over by bazzilionaires.

[Matt]

1 minute ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

Using that argument, why not pay everyone 150k or 200k a week?

We are not a wealthy club, not in the way that Man City, Utd or Chelsea are and Everton have the stability we would crave (60 years in the top flight, only 3 seasons out of it).

 

The owner's business dealings so far have proven acumen. I'm happy to build slowly, rather than boom and bust, which we so nearly did last season.

That was because we were so slow last season (Summer) we almost went backwards.

 

You have to speculate to accumulate.

 

Something we failed to do last summer, I know people are getting bored of this keep being said but it's fact and a real regret of mine (Albeit something I couldn't effect) and many others.

 

Listen I know what people are saying £135k p/week is alot, something that wouldn't exactly sit comfortably with me even though I desperately want us to sign Sigurdsson or have a go atleast, i'm playing devils advocate with what I said above and being somewhat contradictory, because we seem to be doing it right this summer, speculating to accumulate as it were, showing ambition, signing players we all seem to agree with and be happy about without seemingly breaking the bank.

 

3 minutes ago, Max Power said:

If Sigurdsson was on £135k then surely Vardy, Schmeichel and Mahrez would expect pay rises 

Good point, i'm sure i've seen things (How true they are remains to be seen) that certain players wages go up should we sign someone on higher wages.

[Frank_mckenzie]

2 minutes ago, Ozwin said:

How are Everton funding all this? Sure they're getting £75M for Lukaku but they're signing bloody loads of players and presumably on massive wages too.

 

I must've missed the part where they were taken over by bazzilionaires.

They were taken over by a Chinese billionaire last season I believe. 

[Trav Le Bleu]

Just now, Ozwin said:

How are Everton funding all this? Sure they're getting £75M for Lukaku but they're signing bloody loads of players and presumably on massive wages too.

 

I must've missed the part where they were taken over by bazzilionaires.

Don't you know they used to pay Corrie stars their weight in gold?

 

Actually, they are 49% owned by a billionaire now.

[StanSP]

2 minutes ago, Ozwin said:

How are Everton funding all this? Sure they're getting £75M for Lukaku but they're signing bloody loads of players and presumably on massive wages too.

 

I must've missed the part where they were taken over by bazzilionaires.

they have been. Moshiri is a multi-billionaire. Also helping to fund their new stadium and financially, they're now at the level of Chelsea, Man City, Utd etc. It's ironic because for years Everton fans have loved how their club have been stable and not pushed the boat out unnecessarily simultaneously hating how the aforementioned clubs have splashed and thrown money about. Now they're doing it and being all billy-big-bollocks . And probably finish 5th/6th at most. 

[StanSP]

2 minutes ago, Frank_mckenzie said:

They were taken over by a Chinese billionaire last season I believe. 

he's Iranian  

[Clever Fox]

5 minutes ago, Ozwin said:

How are Everton funding all this? Sure they're getting £75M for Lukaku but they're signing bloody loads of players and presumably on massive wages too.

 

I must've missed the part where they were taken over by bazzilionaires.

I know they got 100 ml sponsorship. But were the fair plays rules. I thought you can only spend a percentage of previous years earnings.

[Clever Fox]

3 minutes ago, StanSP said:

they have been. Moshiri is a multi-billionaire. Also helping to fund their new stadium and financially, they're now at the level of Chelsea, Man City, Utd etc. It's ironic because for years Everton fans have loved how their club have been stable and not pushed the boat out unnecessarily simultaneously hating how the aforementioned clubs have splashed and thrown money about. Now they're doing it and being all billy-big-bollocks . And probably finish 5th/6th at most. 

They certainly owe a huge debt of gratitude to Bill Kenright who pretty much saved them from going under at the time. He brought in Moyes and together they slowly built up the Club to stability.  

[CyprusFox]

6 minutes ago, StanSP said:

they have been. Moshiri is a multi-billionaire. Also helping to fund their new stadium and financially, they're now at the level of Chelsea, Man City, Utd etc. It's ironic because for years Everton fans have loved how their club have been stable and not pushed the boat out unnecessarily simultaneously hating how the aforementioned clubs have splashed and thrown money about. Now they're doing it and being all billy-big-bollocks . And probably finish 5th/6th at most. 

Hope so?

[AKCJ]

30 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

Surely the idea is to sign players so that we don't 'flirt with relegation'

It's not like we aren't a wealthy club, we are. 

Where's your ambition? 

135 k per week is what it takes to pay this calibre of player. 

What we are doing wrong is to not get the rubbish off the wage bill so that we can better balance the books. Unfortunately, the likes of Musa, Mendy and Amartey..no one seems to want. 

We have filled up too much with mediocrity.

135k a week on a 5 year contract is about 35m.

 

If we're spending 35m on wages and 40m on a transfer fee then we're talking 75m before we go onto bonuses.

 

There needs to be a cut off for a side that isn't in Europe.

[Marshall Cockney Fox]

I hope he signs for them soon. Then we can close this thread once and for all and obsess about another player.

 

 

[Gary Eatfood]

13 minutes ago, StanSP said:

they have been. Moshiri is a multi-billionaire. Also helping to fund their new stadium and financially, they're now at the level of Chelsea, Man City, Utd etc. It's ironic because for years Everton fans have loved how their club have been stable and not pushed the boat out unnecessarily simultaneously hating how the aforementioned clubs have splashed and thrown money about. Now they're doing it and being all billy-big-bollocks . And probably finish 5th/6th at most. 

Moshiri has an estimated net worth of 2.2b USD. Vichai is worth 4.7b USD so they can't be at the level of Chelsea, Man City etc. unless we are too.

[StanSP]

Just now, Gary Eatfood said:

Moshiri has an estimated net worth of 2.2b USD. Vichai is worth 4.7b USD so they can't be at the level of Chelsea, Man City etc. unless we are too.

fair enough. thought he was worth more than our owners.

[Gary Eatfood]

1 minute ago, StanSP said:

fair enough. thought he was worth more than our owners.

He might be once the Thai government have finished dealing with King Power and their alleged corruption...

[CyprusFox]

1 minute ago, Gary Eatfood said:

He might be once the Thai government have finished dealing with King Power and their alleged corruption...

 

[AKCJ]

2 hours ago, foxes21 said:

Barkley? No he isn't.

Go on then... why not?

 

Drinkwater had a great season next to Kante but barely anything else at this level.

[Guest Col city fan]

1 hour ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

Using that argument, why not pay everyone 150k or 200k a week?

We are not a wealthy club, not in the way that Man City, Utd or Chelsea are and Everton have the stability we would crave (60 years in the top flight, only 3 seasons out of it).

 

The owner's business dealings so far have proven acumen. I'm happy to build slowly, rather than boom and bust, which we so nearly did last season.

But 200k per week isn't 135k per week.

You are right. 2 out of 3 seasons, we have flirted with relegation. Why? Because we haven't been good enough. If, in the current market, it takes 135 per week to sign a player a level above, we should be doing it. 

How much is Slim on again for instance? Sell him, there's what? 100k per week saved.

The problem Is, as said earlier, we can't.

[foxes21]

30 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

Go on then... why not?

 

Drinkwater had a great season next to Kante but barely anything else at this level.

Well to begin with they play in two different positions, but I presume you think Barkley could play in a 2? He'd be a downgrade on Drinkwater in our system.

Don't forget Drinkwater was playing through injury last season.

 

Drinkwater has a better range of passing, more aggression, more stamina, better reading of the game, tackling, interceptions, better communicator on the pitch, better workrate off the ball, pressing, etc.

[Guest Col city fan]

13 minutes ago, foxes21 said:

Well to begin with they play in two different positions, but I presume you think Barkley could play in a 2? He'd be a downgrade on Drinkwater in our system.

Don't forget Drinkwater was playing through injury last season.

 

Drinkwater has a better range of passing, more aggression, more stamina, better reading of the game, tackling, interceptions, better communicator on the pitch, better workrate off the ball, pressing, etc.

I'd take Drinkwater over Barkley any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

[st albans fox]

34 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

But 200k per week isn't 135k per week.

You are right. 2 out of 3 seasons, we have flirted with relegation. Why? Because we haven't been good enough. If, in the current market, it takes 135 per week to sign a player a level above, we should be doing it. 

How much is Slim on again for instance? Sell him, there's what? 100k per week saved.

The problem Is, as said earlier, we can't.

It's not the money imo col - it's about trying to keep some squad equality. We are at our best when we all play for each other and gray doing gylfi's running for whatever reason with such a massive wage disparity doesn't work. Gray wouldn't consider himself to be too far behind gylfi as fans as ability is concerned.  

[Guest Col city fan]

3 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

It's not the money imo col - it's about trying to keep some squad equality. We are at our best when we all play for each other and gray doing gylfi's running for whatever reason with such a massive wage disparity doesn't work. Gray wouldn't consider himself to be too far behind gylfi as fans as ability is concerned.  

I do get that mate...so good post.

BUT..that has to come to an end at some point. We all know what football has come to...i think it's disgusting, but it's reality.

Personally, in today's market, I don't think 135k per week is too much for Gylfi. (Of course it's an obscene amount of money in general terms).

To improve our squad with the next level of player, we must compete in signing the Gylfi's of this world and pay them.

But as I said, it'd be more achievable if we didn't have so much dross on the books at present earning far too much money.

If Musa, for instance, is on 80k per week, that ridiculous.