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Huge fire London building

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FoxesDeb

FoxesDeb

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4 hours ago, yorkie1999 said:

Worrying.

 

 

I might be being incredibly naive here and have misunderstood the situation, but haven't the survivors been rehomed or at least moved to hotels? Not really sure why they'd be hanging around at the bottom of their burnt out previous home, unless still looking for loved ones, but again why would anyone still be there? Obviously I don't know when this footage was shot. 

Buce

Buce

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56 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

I might be being incredibly naive here and have misunderstood the situation, but haven't the survivors been rehomed or at least moved to hotels? Not really sure why they'd be hanging around at the bottom of their burnt out previous home, unless still looking for loved ones, but again why would anyone still be there? Obviously I don't know when this footage was shot. 

 

Maybe this might help you understand:

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40312564

Rincewind

Rincewind

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Concerned? People are out on the streets protesting about the Health and safety issues and they are concerned that what she said may harm the party.Perhaps they are worried about losing their seats. Maybe they should try and understand why people are angry.

Thracian

Thracian

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8 hours ago, FoxesDeb said:

I might be being incredibly naive here and have misunderstood the situation, but haven't the survivors been rehomed or at least moved to hotels? Not really sure why they'd be hanging around at the bottom of their burnt out previous home, unless still looking for loved ones, but again why would anyone still be there? Obviously I don't know when this footage was shot. 

I referred to a list of residents earlier, wondering where it was because it's obvious there are more victims. It was obvious from the time the building was seen burning. Why is there no official list of residents? Or visitors, temporary or otherwise?.

 

What is the truth?  And why is it not coming out? Someone must know or be able to make a pretty informed guess about how many people were likely to have been in that building. 

 

There were 120 one and two-bedroomed flats in that building. So would that be two people to the one-bedroomed and four for the two-bedroomed - notionally around 360 people depending on the numbers of each type of flat?

 

That would suggest a figure approaching 300 missing people, assuming all the flats were occupied and all the tenants were home, which wouldn't necessarily be so. But even half that would be 150, still a significant number. 

 

And maybe some flats had more occupants  - more small children, people staying temporarily (officially or otherwise), and some short-term visitors....why is it so hard to come up with a realistic calculation using the council's data and local knowledge?

 

There are many other questions for a later time but I also wonder if there's more to this than meets the eye.

 

I've listened to two mighty fine orators being interviewed so far - two out of two and both speaking at great length, with much thought and with great impact.

 

It's a small sample but it still doesn't quite ring right.

 

It's as if the situation's being manipulated way beyond residents' outpouring of grief and despair.

 

I could be wrong of course.. 

 

But, either way, Mrs May will be gone, trapped in a vacuum of inadequacy she couldn't escape.

 

And the tragedy of Grenfell Tower will become a sad but significant mark in our history.    

 

  

 

          

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lgfualol

lgfualol

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Daily Mail blames the EU's energy conservation targets for the fire, despite countries like Germany already banning this type of cladding. 

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yorkie1999

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7 hours ago, Thracian said:

I referred to a list of residents earlier, wondering where it was because it's obvious there are more victims. It was obvious from the time the building was seen burning. Why is there no official list of residents? Or visitors, temporary or otherwise?.

 

What is the truth?  And why is it not coming out? Someone must know or be able to make a pretty informed guess about how many people were likely to have been in that building. 

 

There were 120 one and two-bedroomed flats in that building. So would that be two people to the one-bedroomed and four for the two-bedroomed - notionally around 360 people depending on the numbers of each type of flat?

 

That would suggest a figure approaching 300 missing people, assuming all the flats were occupied and all the tenants were home, which wouldn't necessarily be so. But even half that would be 150, still a significant number. 

 

And maybe some flats had more occupants  - more small children, people staying temporarily (officially or otherwise), and some short-term visitors....why is it so hard to come up with a realistic calculation using the council's data and local knowledge?

 

There are many other questions for a later time but I also wonder if there's more to this than meets the eye.

 

I've listened to two mighty fine orators being interviewed so far - two out of two and both speaking at great length, with much thought and with great impact.

 

It's a small sample but it still doesn't quite ring right.

 

It's as if the situation's being manipulated way beyond residents' outpouring of grief and despair.

 

I could be wrong of course.. 

 

But, either way, Mrs May will be gone, trapped in a vacuum of inadequacy she couldn't escape.

 

And the tragedy of Grenfell Tower will become a sad but significant mark in our history.    

 

  

 

          

When that chief commissioner was talking yesterday he was asking for people to contact the police even if they weren't residents which kind of intimates there were people there who they have no records of. Maybe illegals?

DJ Barry Hammond

DJ Barry Hammond

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14 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

When that chief commissioner was talking yesterday he was asking for people to contact the police even if they weren't residents which kind of intimates there were people there who they have no records of. Maybe illegals?

 

Interesting you went with 'illegals' given the less extreme consideration would have been that there could have been friends staying over, people just simply not named on a tenancy agreement (new couples who haven't got round to updating documentation) and things like that.

Guest MattP

Guest MattP

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Just watched the protest, the residents have every right to do so.

 

The leftie carpet baggers turning up to use the tragedy and dance on the dead waving "Tories out" banners are the lowest of the low.

yorkie1999

yorkie1999

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15 minutes ago, DJ Barry Hammond said:

 

Interesting you went with 'illegals' given the less extreme consideration would have been that there could have been friends staying over, people just simply not named on a tenancy agreement (new couples who haven't got round to updating documentation) and things like that.

Yes, interesting, I suppose you are insinuating I'm being racist and trying to stir the shit, but I can assure you I'm not. And yes it could be all those things but if you hear exactly what he said you will know what I mean

 

it was the chief commander and he actually said I don't care the reason you were there which implies that they suspect people were there illegally because someone's not going to worried about saying if they've had friends over etc. IMO 

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DJ Barry Hammond

DJ Barry Hammond

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9 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

Yes, interesting, I suppose you are insinuating I'm being racist and trying to stir the shit, but I can assure you I'm not. And yes it could be all those things but if you hear exactly what he said you will know what I mean

 

Not necessarily... more a social observation about how that's what your mind went for. The extreme option was picked out, possibly due to the nature of the type of media that's around us.

Strokes

Strokes

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46 minutes ago, MattP said:

Just watched the protest, the residents have every right to do so.

 

The leftie carpet baggers turning up to use the tragedy and dance on the dead waving "Tories out" banners are the lowest of the low.

Inciting hatred, how ironic.

Thracian

Thracian

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59 minutes ago, DJ Barry Hammond said:

 

Interesting you went with 'illegals' given the less extreme consideration would have been that there could have been friends staying over, people just simply not named on a tenancy agreement (new couples who haven't got round to updating documentation) and things like that.

My guess is there'll be both, but the need to find out on humanitarian grounds is far more important just now than anything else.

Whether the searching questions will be asked later remains to be seen.

But I have my doubts for all that I wonder if factors relating to overcrowding might have something to do with the source of the fire,  the number of victims and the chances of escape.

All are things that might well apply in countless similar housing blocks elsewhere.

But none of these factors will be unknown even if shown to be relevent.

But they may have been ignored, for whatever reason, and with such dreadful consequences.    

 

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Thracian

Thracian

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17 minutes ago, Buce said:

 

Ministers ignored tower block fire warnings:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/17/tower-block-fire-warnings-grenfell-victims

 

This vile shower has to go.

And anyone, including councillors, responsible for ignoring  similar warnings in relation to other tower blocks in Labour or any other administratve areas, I'm sure you'd agree. Because there needs to be a more widespread inquiry than relates to just this one tower block. I'd doubt any government would want a repeat. 

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Guest MattP

Guest MattP

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Do these people literally just spend their whole lives going from protest to protest? 

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Lionator

Lionator

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There's way too much tick for tack with the tragedy. Labour this, Tories that. Obviously there's catastrophic political mistakes which have been made however both sides are so blind to the fact that mistakes were probably made by people belonging to their party. Human lives are being used as political chess pieces and it makes me sad.

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lifted*fox

lifted*fox

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Human lives are used as political chess pieces every day, in every country, in every war, etc. etc. around the world. It's been that way since the start of time and will continue to be so forever more. 

 

Whilst it's sad, yes - it's not really all that shocking. Far too many people pulling out the 'bodies not in the ground yet and people scoring points' card bullshit like it somehow adds sensitivity to their side of the argument.

 

Politics is BIG in this country right now and whilst people continue to feel disconnected, disenfranchised and ignored by their government then people will continue to mobilise, protest and link every last thing to a political agenda until something changes. 

 

Rightly ****ing so IMO. As a people we've been dormant and docile for far too long - sucking up cuts, austerity and bullshit from those in power without a peep - and now people are finally waking up.

Guest MattP

Guest MattP

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1 minute ago, daz*dsb said:

Human lives are used as political chess pieces every day, in every country, in every war, etc. etc. around the world. It's been that way since the start of time and will continue to be so forever more. 

 

Whilst it's sad, yes - it's not really all that shocking. Far too many people pulling out the 'bodies not in the ground yet and people scoring points' card bullshit like it somehow adds sensitivity to their side of the argument.

 

Politics is BIG in this country right now and whilst people continue to feel disconnected, disenfranchised and ignored by their government then people will continue to mobilise, protest and link every last thing to a political agenda until something changes. 

 

Rightly ****ing so IMO. As a people we've been dormant and docile for far too long - sucking up cuts, austerity and bullshit from those in power without a peep - and now people are finally waking up.

Exactly the same asinine tubthumping nonsense we heard from Syriza in Greece.

 

Then they ended up getting into power and didn't have a clue what to do, exactly the same would happen here with Corbyn and his band of lunatics.

 

You'll soon find out "days of rage" don't generate cash for the treasury to stop all those cuts you hate.

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