Is Shakespeare the right man for the job?

[RumbleFox]

6 hours ago, ClaphamFox said:

He won't be given until December. 

Do you know next week's lottery numbers too me duck? X

[Steven]

2 hours ago, Col city fan said:

Oh without a doubt they do.

The metaphorical knives will be sharpened if we lose on Saturday.

Just watch this forum go if we do.

As City fans I think we are all in tune with losing.   However it is the manner of the losing that is important.

 

If he (Shakespeare) sets us up to "stay in the game" and we end up losing 2-1 against a very poor Bournemouth side then the knives will get sharpened; it will be like that scene in Airplane! when everyone lines up to hit the hysterical woman.

 

However if we go down fighting; in a blaze of glory, having tried to win the game from the first second then those knives will stay in the sheath for another couple of weeks. 

[Countryfox]

19 minutes ago, Buce said:

 

In a way, you're right, CF.

 

Personally speaking, I think Shakey was a poor appointment for long-term success, and ultimately will be replaced. I'd rather see that happen sooner rather than later while we're still not embroiled in a relegation battle. I think most of the love for him is based on sentiment, not a belief that he'll progress the club.

 

 

 

 

 

I know what you mean Bucey but I think he was definitely the man for the job at that time ..   and for the future.   Not only has he had a fantastic apprenticeship under 2 different managers but was also being pulled into the England set up.  He MAY flourish as a potentially top top manager and I don't think we could risk missing that opportunity.  Also, if we had have brought in someone else all the positives of our current squad may have been lost forever if he tried to change things too much ...    yes, the players are slightly more powerful than perhaps they should be at this club but that should be embraced and used to the clubs advantage.   I think he has had a good start considering the hand he has been dealt but yes now we need to see some points on the board ...    his destiny is in his own hands.

[Lovejoy]

2 hours ago, Countryfox said:

I almost get the impression that, for whatever reason, some people on here want him to fail ..  

Without a shadow of a doubt. In the same way people love it when certain players such as Gray and Mahrez make a mistake so they can jump all over them. Pretty sh1t really.

[somebum]

I think the club need to act now and sack him. It's clear he is completely out of his depth. Ancellotti is available if our owners had real ambition they would be offering him ten million quid a year to sort the team out. We need a manager bigger than any of our players

[foxinsocks]

when the chips are down at clubs, it is fascinating that many managers carry on ploughing the same furrow.  They seem convinced that what they are doing will come right.... hodgson did it with england... ranieri did it... NP was doing it, but then changed things around and we had the great escape.

 

I am not saying we are in a doomed situation now - just that it seems that managers either get caught in the headlights or are unable to admit they need to change.... psychologically it doesn't make sense - you want something different then do something different.

Edited 29 September 2017 by foxinsocks

[Lovejoy]

3 minutes ago, somebum said:

I think the club need to act now and sack him. It's clear he is completely out of his depth. Ancellotti is available if our owners had real ambition they would be offering him ten million quid a year to sort the team out. We need a manager bigger than any of our players

 

[Buce]

25 minutes ago, Countryfox said:

 

I know what you mean Bucey but I think he was definitely the man for the job at that time ..   and for the future.   Not only has he had a fantastic apprenticeship under 2 different managers but was also being pulled into the England set up.  He MAY flourish as a potentially top top manager and I don't think we could risk missing that opportunity.  Also, if we had have brought in someone else all the positives of our current squad may have been lost forever if he tried to change things too much ...    yes, the players are slightly more powerful than perhaps they should be at this club but that should be embraced and used to the clubs advantage.   I think he has had a good start considering the hand he has been dealt but yes now we need to see some points on the board ...    his destiny is in his own hands.

 

He was in the England set up as a coach though, not a manager.

 

Let me ask you this: what would you have said if we had employed as manager, someone who only had experienced a management role in non-league or even the third tier? I suspect you, and others who back Shakey, would have opposed it on the grounds that we need a manager with experience managing at the top level, either in the Premiership or elsewhere. Shakey has no managerial experience at all, and I'm struggling to think of another top level club who has employed someone as manager under those circumstances.

[Countryfox]

19 minutes ago, Buce said:

 

He was in the England set up as a coach though, not a manager.

 

Let me ask you this: what would you have said if we had employed as manager, someone who only had experienced a management role in non-league or even the third tier? I suspect you, and others who back Shakey, would have opposed it on the grounds that we need a manager with experience managing at the top level, either in the Premiership or elsewhere. Shakey has no managerial experience at all, and I'm struggling to think of another top level club who has employed someone as manager under those circumstances.

 

I know he was a coach but coaching is a useful string to the management bow ..  and it was England not Preston North End.  

 

Of course we wouldn't want a manager from non league or the third tier but Shakey had management experience of this club and these players over many many years. ..    And that is a big plus point.  Let me ask you this ..   If we had beaten Arsenal and got a point against Liverpool and/or Chelsae would you feel the same ?

Edited 29 September 2017 by Countryfox

[Buce]

5 minutes ago, Countryfox said:

 

I know he was a coach but coaching is a useful string to the management bow ..  and it was England not Preston North End.  

 

Of course we wouldn't want a manager from non league or the third tier but Sahakey had management experience of this club and these players over many many years. ..    And that is a big plus point. 

 

He was a coach under NP; he was a coach under CR. When did he have managerial experience at this club or any other? And my point re. England remains - he was employed as a coach.

 

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Let me ask you this ..   If we had beaten Arsenal and got a point against Liverpool and/or Chelsae would you feel the same ?

 

If the selections, substitutions and performance were the same? Yes, I would - we'd have just been papering over the cracks.

[Countryfox]

7 minutes ago, Buce said:

 

He was a coach under NP; he was a coach under CR. When did he have managerial experience at this club or any other? And my point re. England remains - he was employed as a coach.

 

 

If the selections, substitutions and performance were the same? Yes, I would - we'd have just been papering over the cracks.

 

Nope ...    He was assistant manager.       And if we'd have beaten Arsenal and got a point off Chelsea and Liverpool I'd be quite happy to watch crack papering every week.

[Buce]

3 minutes ago, Countryfox said:

 

Nope ...    He was assistant manager.       And if we'd have beaten Arsenal and got a point off Chelsea and Liverpool I'd be quite happy to watch crack papering every week.

 

Meh.

 

We'll have to agree to disagree, CF.

[ZeGuy]

1 hour ago, Countryfox said:

 

I know what you mean Bucey but I think he was definitely the man for the job at that time ..   and for the future.   Not only has he had a fantastic apprenticeship under 2 different managers but was also being pulled into the England set up.  He MAY flourish as a potentially top top manager and I don't think we could risk missing that opportunity.  Also, if we had have brought in someone else all the positives of our current squad may have been lost forever if he tried to change things too much ...    yes, the players are slightly more powerful than perhaps they should be at this club but that should be embraced and used to the clubs advantage.   I think he has had a good start considering the hand he has been dealt but yes now we need to see some points on the board ...    his destiny is in his own hands.

I have no problem giving him 6 to sort things out as he did a solid job for a "newbie" last season and the context until (Fixtures+injuries+Benny Hill Silva Show)  clearly didn't play in his favor.

 

However I still think that the countdown already began and some of his tactical decisions as well as set-ups were sometimes frankly baffling. Playing safe with the same old line-up and formation is double edged sword. Players might feel comfortable with it (altough I seriously doubt that Maguire, Gray, Mahrez or Ndidi or any of the new signings are happy with it) but the system clearly showed its limits. 

 

Bournemouth is a capital game for him.

Edited 29 September 2017 by ZeGuy

[Fox92]

1 hour ago, somebum said:

I think the club need to act now and sack him. It's clear he is completely out of his depth. Ancellotti is available if our owners had real ambition they would be offering him ten million quid a year to sort the team out. We need a manager bigger than any of our players

I admire the ambition but I don't think Ancellotti would be even slightly interested in coming here

 

But I do question the owners ambition anyway.

[somebum]

10 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

I admire the ambition but I don't think Ancellotti would be even slightly interested in coming here

 

But I do question the owners ambition anyway.

Yeah we can live in hope, but he has been talking of a return to management in England, the big clubs are all fixed up, realistically we are in the next tier or at least we are supposed to want to be. Offer him 30 million it's nothing for king power

[desertfox2]

We are hopefully just in a false position in the league. Had some really hard fixtures. So I'm sitting on the fence until we've played 10 games in the league. 

[volpeazzurro]

1 hour ago, Steven said:

As City fans I think we are all in tune with losing.   However it is the manner of the losing that is important.

 

If he (Shakespeare) sets us up to "stay in the game" and we end up losing 2-1 against a very poor Bournemouth side then the knives will get sharpened; it will be like that scene in Airplane! when everyone lines up to hit the hysterical woman.

 

However if we go down fighting; in a blaze of glory, having tried to win the game from the first second then those knives will stay in the sheath for another couple of weeks. 

I think you're right, as long as his idea of all guns blazing isn't just to launch the ball hopefully up the pitch. We've got players that played in the right formation to their strengths that are far better than that, which is why I presume we bought them.

[volpeazzurro]

1 hour ago, Buce said:

 

He was in the England set up as a coach though, not a manager.

 

Let me ask you this: what would you have said if we had employed as manager, someone who only had experienced a management role in non-league or even the third tier? I suspect you, and others who back Shakey, would have opposed it on the grounds that we need a manager with experience managing at the top level, either in the Premiership or elsewhere. Shakey has no managerial experience at all, and I'm struggling to think of another top level club who has employed someone as manager under those circumstances.

Spot on. 

[weller54]

7 hours ago, ZeGuy said:

I have no problem giving him 6 to sort things out as he did a solid job for a "newbie" last season and the context until (Fixtures+injuries+Benny Hill Silva Show)  clearly didn't play in his favor.

 

However I still think that the countdown already began and some of his tactical decisions as well as set-ups were sometimes frankly baffling. Playing safe with the same old line-up and formation is double edged sword. Players might feel comfortable with it (altough I seriously doubt that Maguire, Gray, Mahrez or Ndidi or any of the new signings are happy with it) but the system clearly showed its limits. 

 

Bournemouth is a capital game for him.

 

[Countryfox]

32 minutes ago, Worthington said:

Fact is we didn't !

 

Not sure what you are getting at ..   you've taken a small part of a conversation out of context ....   and your point is ?

[WigstonWanderer]

On 27/09/2017 at 22:56, Babylon said:

You think Burnley out played the opposition in their games? People are bumming them for their wonderful lets not accept defeat attitude... bullshit... they had a slice of luck half the time and were mostly on the end of a battering.

 

Possession

Liverpool 71% Burnley 29%

Leicester 43% Liverpool 47%

 

Shots

Liverpool 35 Burnley 5

Leicester 12 Liverpool 23

 

Shots on target

Liverpool 9 Burnley 4

Leicester 7 Liverpool 6

 

Burnley got mullered in one of the most one sided games you'll see... yet we're meant to aspire to their attitude. Laughable.

 

Is the missing 10% down to the time the ball was in the air when we were lumping it up?

[whoareyaaa]

51 pages **** me

[stevebrock]

16 hours ago, desertfox2 said:

We are hopefully just in a false position in the league. Had some really hard fixtures. So I'm sitting on the fence until we've played 10 games in the league. 

 

What a load of rubbish - how can we be in a false position ? How have you come to this conclusion 

[whoareyaaa]

Lets hope he goes with the tried and tested 4 4 2 today 

[norwichfox]

1 minute ago, whoareyaaa said:

Lets hope he goes with the tried and tested 4 4 2 today 

Looking forward to it if he does,. especially away from home.....