Drinkwater

[mozartfox]

1 hour ago, Babylon said:

Opinions should be born out of facts, not guesses. I've never said James would be great, merely stated how about we just wait and see what happens. I'd actually like proof of something before making comment one way or the others.

 

N'didi is below James on almost every stat, yet apparently the same people slating James here say that's because N'didi is having to play with James. If that's not an agenda against him then I don't know what it.

 

They wanted him sold to Derby and they want to be proven right at all costs. I predicted these attacks on him before a ball was kicked, because the same people do it every year. Make a prediction and then attempt to blame that person for everything. Just as they did with Cambiasso.

 

So back to the stats... we going to get relegated if we play N'didi every week? He's been no more of a standout than James, yet I don't see the knives out.

 

How about, before laying into people and making stupid predictions about relegation craps. We just see how we get on against weaker teams. We've got what, 1 point from 6 games at the Emirates and Old Trafford in 3 years. But no, James not ripping up trees there is somehow cast Iron proof of him not being good enough.

 

As for him at Arsenal, I never said it was all about him. But the fact is he was on the pitch when we were winning, we lost after he went off. You can hardly slate the bloke for that.

 

Blimey. Most opinions on here are not born from facts are they? This is a football forum not a Court of Law.  

[AKCJ]

42 minutes ago, Koke said:

I like how in the space of 2 weeks Drinkwater has gone from "he's shit, we don't want him" to " he's easily better than Xhaka" according to Chelsea fans

 

 

A player can be shit yet still be better than Xhaka tbf

[Babylon]

8 minutes ago, mozartfox said:

Blimey. Most opinions on here are not born from facts are they? This is a football forum not a Court of Law.  

I'd hope most peoples opinions are based on some kind of evidence, otherwise why the hell are they offering it.

[Fox92]

7 hours ago, Col city fan said:

No, don't go down that line. We'll flirt with relegation if you do, I'm telling ya.

If we go the rest of the season with a first choice centre mid of James and Ndidi, we'll be in trouble.

Our midfield ain't good enough, Col. Selling Drinkwater should be the last thing we do, especially if we can't get in a replacement. 

 

[Fox92]

1 hour ago, Babylon said:

Opinions should be born out of facts, not guesses. I've never said James would be great, merely stated how about we just wait and see what happens. I'd actually like proof of something before making comment one way or the others.

 

N'didi is below James on almost every stat, yet apparently the same people slating James here say that's because N'didi is having to play with James. If that's not an agenda against him then I don't know what it.

 

They wanted him sold to Derby and they want to be proven right at all costs. I predicted these attacks on him before a ball was kicked, because the same people do it every year. Make a prediction and then attempt to blame that person for everything. Just as they did with Cambiasso.

 

So back to the stats... we going to get relegated if we play N'didi every week? He's been no more of a standout than James, yet I don't see the knives out.

 

How about, before laying into people and making stupid predictions about relegation craps. We just see how we get on against weaker teams. We've got what, 1 point from 6 games at the Emirates and Old Trafford in 3 years. But no, James not ripping up trees there is somehow cast Iron proof of him not being good enough.

 

As for him at Arsenal, I never said it was all about him. But the fact is he was on the pitch when we were winning, we lost after he went off. You can hardly slate the bloke for that.

 

Ndidi is covering so much because James can't get back and forth. It's pretty much what Drinkwater was doing last season, covering more because of the Kante loss, and yeah his stats went down.

 

Drinkwater is more a force than James, he gets the ball down and runs directly and can get back to recover. Opposition players leave James for dead. Pogba won't get an easier game than he did on Saturday.

[Guest Col city fan]

1 hour ago, Babylon said:

How can anyone possibly suggest that's true because of two of the hardest away games we're going to have? One of which we were winning when he went off and a game we strolled through in second gear at home. Maybe we will end up down at the bottom, but it certainly isn't going to be because of one player and you can't reasonably come to that conclusion anyway after just three games. He has previous with agendas against players and it's already following the same pattern.

 

Indeed and the same can be said of James, but it's almost like we're prepared to excuse one and not the other?

What 'agenda' am I meant to have this time? Not thinking James is as good as you do?

That aint an agenda...I just don't....

You and your 'agendas'!

Its a bloody football forum, not life and death!

 

[Trav Le Bleu]

2 hours ago, HankMarvin said:

 

Or maybe just a difference of opinion to yours.

Is it not feasible that others might feel differently to you.

 

 

3 games 

Played

low defensive stats 

low attacking stats

 

I think the blue tinted specs are on for a lot of people, because they want him to do well because of the injury.

 

If he was a new signing he would be getting slated as below average so far.

 

As for keep mentioning the Arsenal game, you don't take into account the tactical change Wenger made with 2 subs coming on and scoring, it was all due to James going off.

 

 

 

 

But only one of those opinions can be right.

[Babylon]

8 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Ndidi is covering so much because James can't get back and forth. It's pretty much what Drinkwater was doing last season, covering more because of the Kante loss, and yeah his stats went down.

 

Drinkwater is more a force than James, he gets the ball down and runs directly and can get back to recover. Opposition players leave James for dead. Pogba won't get an easier game than he did on Saturday.

What a load of garbage. I presume James is also to blame for his passing stats dropping off a cliff and Wilf not picking people up at corners.

 

Yeah I'm sure Pogba won't get an easier game, except perhaps the previous two where they put four past two teams and he scored in both of them.

 

Drinkwater's defensive stats were pretty consistent both seasons actually, they certainly didn't drop the extent Wilf's have. But guess what, I'd expect them to be pretty low when you've had two tough away games. Not many people will walk away with good stats form there.

 

 

 

[Babylon]

5 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

But only one of those opinions can be right.

Considering I didn't even have an opinion other than "lets actually wait and see", I'm not so sure.

[HankMarvin]

1 minute ago, Babylon said:

What a load of garbage. I presume James is also to blame for his passing stats dropping off a cliff and Wilf not picking people up at corners.

 

Yeah I'm sure Pogba won't get an easier game, except perhaps the previous two where they put four past two teams and he scored in both of them.

 

Drinkwater's defensive stats were pretty consistent both seasons actually, they certainly didn't drop the extent Wilf's have. But guess what, I'd expect them to be pretty low when you've had two tough away games. Not many people will walk away with good stats form there.

 

 

 

Two tough away games 

and probably the easiest home game

and guess what their stats were just as poor against Brighton.

[AylestoneRaider]

1 hour ago, bennytwohats said:

Except for racially abusing people in casinos and swearing at officials (multiple offender).

 

Hes been a great player for us, but he's clearly a horrible person. Inspiration? No chance

As a footballer and in terms of what he has achieved in his career he inspires me.

 

He has made some dreadful mistakes in his life, without question. As have many others who inspire people. 

 

 

 

 

[HankMarvin]

3 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Considering I didn't even have an opinion other than "lets actually wait and see", I'm not so sure.

And an opinion of Col having an agenda as he has his own opinion 

[Fox92]

15 minutes ago, Babylon said:

What a load of garbage. I presume James is also to blame for his passing stats dropping off a cliff and Wilf not picking people up at corners.

 

Yeah I'm sure Pogba won't get an easier game, except perhaps the previous two where they put four past two teams and he scored in both of them.

 

Drinkwater's defensive stats were pretty consistent both seasons actually, they certainly didn't drop the extent Wilf's have. But guess what, I'd expect them to be pretty low when you've had two tough away games. Not many people will walk away with good stats form there.

 

 

 

I'll ignore the "garbage" reference. I disagree with you but I wouldn't call what you post "garbage". 

 

I like James, always have done and can remember being impressed when I first saw him, but there's no doubt Ndidi does more work with him in the side, contrast to Drinkwater. James struggles against bigger sides and better players, we either need to change that or put Drinkwater in to make 3.

 

At Arsenal and at United they glided through our midfield. Pogba must have had 7 shots without anybody closing him down. The only time our midfield has looked any good is with a World Class player (Kante) there granted, but I'm not overly excited by the possibily of Drinkwater leaving us with James, Ndid, King, Mendy. I hope Iborra can keep the ball well.

[Babylon]

11 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

Two tough away games 

and probably the easiest home game

and guess what their stats were just as poor against Brighton.

What was a bad? James's passing accuracy far higher, more shots, more key passes from a very quick look on whoscored. Brighton couldn't pass the ball out of their own half, they barely needed to make a tackle.

[Babylon]

11 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

And an opinion of Col having an agenda as he has his own opinion 

Based on previous experience of how he works, signs were there early season and I predicted what he'd be like and he's living up to it so far.

[Babylon]

9 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

I'll ignore the "garbage" reference. I disagree with you but I wouldn't call what you post "garbage".

You can't just blame one players poor performances on another and expect a much different response. Almost all of James' stats are better than Wilfs so far. If Wilf is doing "much more work" how on earth can he not even be matching him?

 

Perhaps, wild idea here... they have both just had steady to average starts to the season. Trying to apportion blame after three games just seems completely nonsensical.

[Fox92]

7 minutes ago, Babylon said:

You can't just blame one players poor performances on another and expect a much different response. Almost all of James' stats are better than Wilfs so far. If Wilf is doing "much more work" how on earth can he not even be matching him?

 

Perhaps, wild idea here... they have both just had steady to average starts to the season. Trying to apportion blame after three games just seems completely nonsensical.

I never said either have delivered poor performances, niether am I saying one is poor because of the other. The only players that really impressed me at Old Trafford were Kasper and Mahrez. You quoted Ndidi's stats and I responded with they're lower because he's covering more space.... which I believe he is.

[HoustonFox]

For folks saying he's moving to get in the England squad, I think Southgate has shown that he was prefers to pick players playing every week and doesn't just got for big clubs. Livermore getting picked, Chalobah in latest squad, Maguire from us. 

 

If Danny stays and plays well every week, and is consistently better than other English midfielders, he'll get picked. If he stays injured, off form, or is crap, he won't. 

 

I would prefer a fit Drinky to stay, but if we get crazy money and can bring in Krychowiak, then I'd also think that's good business too. 

[Guest Col city fan]

35 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Based on previous experience of how he works, signs were there early season and I predicted what he'd be like and he's living up to it so far.

you're turning this thread into a farce!

I....must....have....said.....10 times..... I don't mind James but I think he's a basic, solid, plodder type of player who looks to be blowing and is not very creative.

I worry with a CM of James and Wilf if that's to be it for the season.

What are you going to turn that into? 

 

[ARM1968]

A sausage. 

[HankMarvin]

44 minutes ago, Babylon said:

What was a bad? James's passing accuracy far higher, more shots, more key passes from a very quick look on whoscored. Brighton couldn't pass the ball out of their own half, they barely needed to make a tackle.

 

1 key pass

 

you love a bit of "evidence" to back up opinions 

 

So here's some.

 

6.67

The worst rating of any player that started the game and that was against Brighton.

 

 

lets all be sheep and say he has played really well

 

 

 

 

[ARM1968]

I thought he played really well. 

[st albans fox]

Delph rejecting us is a half step towards drinkwater staying 

 

I assume no replacement = no deal 

[NotTheMarketLeader]

1 hour ago, HankMarvin said:

 

1 key pass

 

you love a bit of "evidence" to back up opinions 

 

So here's some.

 

6.67

The worst rating of any player that started the game and that was against Brighton.

 

 

lets all be sheep and say he has played really well

 

 

 

 

What's that rating you are quoting?

 

That aside, I was at OT and after a tiring day at the end of the match, I was underwhelmed by the two in midfield, and James was getting a lot of stick by the end from our fans.

 

Having watched the game Sunday morning, it was clear that James had done alright, and had actually played the better of the two. Wilf was clearly at fault for the goal.

 

Without Kante, it is too much to expect any two players to get the better of that Man Utd midfield who had three in there.

 

It is simply too big a job.

 

Whilst I realise we had injuries, maybe we should consider that

the manager should think about this aspect of his tactics and set up differently against a force such as that team is. They have better players than we do, yet we continue with the central two

constantly, knowing they will be out numbered from the start.

 

It's ridiculous that people are looking to blame the players under these circumstances,

who by 70 mins after chasing and harrying are tiring.

 

This is the time when mistakes are made.

 

Shakespeare apparently was Pearson's tactian. He had James and Cambiasso as the two, and for all his pedigree and greatness  Cambi,let's face it could not run. Then It was a disaster until tactics were changed.

 

Its a pattern, and I feel Shakey needs to change what we have seen so far; at least in certain games.

[NotTheMarketLeader]

17 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Delph rejecting us is a half step towards drinkwater staying 

 

I assume no replacement = no deal 

Delph - I wouldn't pay him in washers.

 

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