Drinkwater

[HankMarvin]

27 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Jesus Christ.... yes it is guess work, you have absolutely no idea if Mahrez will go, you have absolutely no idea if we've spent that money already and you have absolutely no idea if we would end up spending more money on a replacement. Complete and utter guess work! Considering we haven't bought another winger, it's pretty clear that we'd need a replacement if he did go.

 

I would suggest a net spend of £115m over three years is good money. £45m net more than Liverpool and Chelsea.  £75m more than Stoke. On top of huge pay rises for the whole squad pretty much, which everyone seems to ignore. That needs paying for over 3/4/5 years. Plus, just because you have money, doesn't mean you need to go out and spend every penny. That money could also be used to keep our spend higher than other clubs for a good number of years.

 

But we haven't sold them have we and we haven't signed their replacements yet either.

 

I'm sorry, people can't moan about not spending money when we quite clearly have. Then say "oh well you can't use those figures to prove it because we might sell people before the window". I'm using facts, you are using guess work. If we sell a load of players and don't get replacements and we won't expand the ground and the money does vanish, then by all means moan about it. But that's not the case currently.

 

The owners never said that to any English press, they never said it to the fans... that was bluster to Thai press and nothing more.

 

 

2014/15 20m

2015/16 36m

2016/17 33m

 

2017/18 43m probably about to be offset by DD going, lets revisit at the end of the window otherwise you'll only moan its not happened yet

 

Chelsea had about 15 years of huge investment, so of course they needed to sell to balance the books to be able to spend 450m on players over the last 4 seasons.

 

Liverpool have spent 320m over the last 4 seasons 

 

you cant compare net spend when there has been huge investment, because it pales into insignificance our 170m on players bought over 4 seasons

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[HoustonFox]

This is an odd thread. Not heard / seen (admittedly I've not been taking notes) one person say the same comments I've seen all over the Mahrez thread of "if he wants to leave, I don't want him here" or words to those effect. 

 

If we get £35m+ for him, and Krychowiak, that would be good business in my eyes. If it's just £35m then it's still good money but does leave us thin. We don't know if he's been angling for a move for a while though, or if this is new. 

[Monsell1976]

26 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

I have been critical of the clubs business but they will have been working overtime to make decent signings this summer. They fighting for their jobs.

 

 

So they should be, they have wasted so much money over the past couple of seasons, I'm surprised they are still employed.

[Babylon]

12 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

 

 

2014/15 20m

2015/16 36m

2016/17 33m

2017/18 43m probably about to be offset by DD going, lets revisit at the end of the window otherwise you'll only moan its not happened yet

Are you being ****ing serious, I'll moan about it not happening yet? You're the one moaning about me using FACTS in my ****ing argument. I've literally just stated that if you are going to moan do it when you have something to moan about and not when we actually have currently spent the money.

 

12 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

Chelsea had about 15 years of huge investment, so of course they needed to sell to balance the books to be able to spend 450m on players over the last 4 seasons.

Liverpool have spent 320m over the last 4 seasons 

You cant compare net spend when there has been huge investment, because it pales into insignificance our 170m on players bought over 4 seasons

Of course it pales into insignificance because they are huge clubs making vast sums of money more than we do. Our best season ever with champions league money that will never happen again, we would still have made £100m less than Liverpool turned over in 2016.

 

Since promotion we've got the 5th biggest net spend, end of story and there is nothing currently to suggest that won't continue.

[foxtillidrop]

I'm going to be quite frank..it would be absolute dog mess business to sell Danny Drinkwater whether we have a 'replacement' lined up or not.

 

This lad is a key part of the fabric of this club. You can't buy and replace players like Danny Drinkwater over night. Its been a mutual relationship between player and club over many years to get Danny to where he is today. Lets not kid ourselves. We are Leicester City and Danny was a key technician and the brain in the engine room of a title winning team.

[Johnthefoxrayner]

8 minutes ago, foxtillidrop said:

I'm going to be quite frank..it would be absolute dog mess business to sell Danny Drinkwater whether we have a 'replacement' lined up or not.

 

This lad is a key part of the fabric of this club. You can't buy and replace players like Danny Drinkwater over night. Its been a mutual relationship between player and club over many years to get Danny to where he is today. Lets not kid ourselves. We are Leicester City and Danny was a key technician and the brain in the engine room of a title winning team.

I well said mate,totally agree with you. 

[FantasticMrFox&Son]

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[HankMarvin]

18 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Are you being ****ing serious, I'll moan about it not happening yet? You're the one moaning about me using FACTS in my ****ing argument. I've literally just stated that if you are going to moan do it when you have something to moan about and not when we actually have currently spent the money.

 

Of course it pales into insignificance because they are huge clubs making vast sums of money more than we do. Our best season ever with champions league money that will never happen again, we would still have made £100m less than Liverpool turned over in 2016.

 

Since promotion we've got the 5th biggest net spend, end of story and there is nothing currently to suggest that won't continue.

 

Why do you feel the need to swear?, with over 37000 posts you would've thought you're not limited in vocabulary.

 

The point i was making is your saying how how net spend is so great compared to Chelsea and Liverpool, but they have had years of heavy investment and are still spending huge amounts its just balanced by the previous years of investment, so comparisons are a red hearing.

 

[Mr Weller]

We don't know what will happen as nothing is official but if he has been sold then it's because the club think we can do better.

 

That's the only logical reason since they don't need the money. For what it's worth I'm not convinced Drinkwater has been that great for over a year now and I don't really think he's an England player.

 

I'd be happy if we signed a good CM player in his place; DD is a bit square except with the ball to Vardy but he's nothing special in Premier League terms.

[st albans fox]

Nzonzi !  not sure  vards would be happy with the weekly wage we would have to pay him to come here!  Mutiny!!!!!!

[FantasticMrFox&Son]

If he provides the ammunition.........................Vardy WILL be over the f***ing moon.

 

[Babylon]

21 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

 

Why do you feel the need to swear?, with over 37000 posts you would've thought you're not limited in vocabulary.

 

The point i was making is your saying how how net spend is so great compared to Chelsea and Liverpool, but they have had years of heavy investment and are still spending huge amounts its just balanced by the previous years of investment, so comparisons are a red hearing.

 

Because you are being obtuse.

 

You've essentially said, don't use facts until the end of the widow whilst using a load of guess work to further your own argument before the end of this window.

 

Ludicrous.

[Guest]

3 hours ago, ZeGuy said:

He stopped playing forward a while ago. Still baffled if we let him go for only 28M. Pants down again and we won't find the adequate replacement.

Is it 100% confirmed 

[ZeGuy]

14 minutes ago, Soundman said:

Is it 100% confirmed 

Well shit. It's a mistake and we'll regret it this season.

 

Misread.

[WoodyFox]

28m?! I'll drive him there

[FoxinNotts]

7 minutes ago, ZeGuy said:

Well shit. It's a mistake and we'll regret it this season.

"Is it?" Not "it is"

[ZeGuy]

1 minute ago, FoxinNotts said:

"Is it?" Not "it is"

Thanks for the head-up. 

[the fox]

This is what I understand:

There are 4 levels of importance to the team: (talking only about first team players)

Level 1:

 

Kasper: our emotional leader and a top 5 keeper in the league! Underrated by other fans.

 

Mahrez: for all his downsides, he is a match winner, taking 2 players out of the game every match (sometimes 3), our only creative spark and we look dull without him, can't move the ball forward when he isn't playing and when he doesn't play we lack that creative punch

 

Level 2:

 

Vardy: This is may sound controversial but, we can manage without him (at least better than without riyad and kasper), he is an amazing goal scorer and a club legend, but slimani and kelechi are keeping him out of level 1

 

Maguire: thought about putting him in level one (like vardy), but contrary to vardy, its not the quality of backups that is keeping him out but the fact he didn't play enough in order to have a clear judgment (plus there are player on the bench who can at least be decent)

 

N'didi: a bit disappointing for the start of the season but he is our only DM, we can manage without him (a bit) but the team won't fall apart if he isn't playing (James and iborra can fill the gap)

 

Simmo: lack of a solid back up, solid defensively (you can even say underrated)

 

Level 3:

 

Drinky: very good in the title winning season but he suffered a lot past December (maybe its injury) but we need a box to box, and the fact that there are 2 solid backups to cover for him (James and iborra) makes him level 3

 

Fuchs: regressed in the last two seasons, Ben can fill in for him but he is a better defender so he should start

 

Marc: underrated, offers so much defensively but there are solid back ups for him (gray, and you can even say musa (yeah, I know, I know!))

 

Huth: should be a starter when he gets back

 

Level 4:

 

Wes: like fuchs, he regressed from the title winning season. he is expendable, he should be 3rd choice after huth is back

 

Okazaki: liked by the fans but he is the easiest player to upgrade on

 

Level 1 players are the most important, there are no players even close to there level in the bench and you can't replace them in this market

 

Level 2 are just below level 1, very important players but there are some competent players to fill the void in the bench if the worst happens

 

Level 3, quality starters but you can upgrade on them, they aren't the difference between us finishing in the top 8 or fighting relegation

 

Level 4 are the most easy to replace but are still solid squad players

 

 

Disclaimer: this is my opinion that I choose after I took every thing into consideration, so don't get triggered!

 

[the fox]

2 hours ago, Callabinho said:

 

United walked through our midfield at the weekend, without Drinkwater we lack calmness and composure. I would be gutted if he went, equally I'd be worried too. 

We are talking about the same Drinkwater, right? For a second I thought you were talking about prime Busquets.

 

tell you what, here is an opinion that I can back with footage, we are a better position side without him! he plays negative football (not all the time of course) he passes it to wes and huth knowing that they will hoof 95% of the time, he stands in the same line as the DM , he passed some disgusting grenades to fuchs and simmo in bad places (which again lead to a hoofball), not to mention the countless long balls to vardy (that rarely works) and that kills our momentum.

 

Not interested in going more into details because it will come off as "hate" towards a player who served the club well, but I'm more than OK to go with you the distance (backed up by visual evidence of course) if you want.

[dmayne7]

33 minutes ago, the fox said:

This is what I understand:

There are 4 levels of importance to the team: (talking only about first team players)

Level 1:

 

Kasper: our emotional leader and a top 5 keeper in the league! Underrated by other fans.

 

Mahrez: for all his downsides, he is a match winner, taking 2 players out of the game every match (sometimes 3), our only creative spark and we look dull without him, can't move the ball forward when he isn't playing and when he doesn't play we lack that creative punch

 

Level 2:

 

Vardy: This is may sound controversial but, we can manage without him (at least better than without riyad and kasper), he is an amazing goal scorer and a club legend, but slimani and kelechi are keeping him out of level 1

 

Maguire: thought about putting him in level one (like vardy), but contrary to vardy, its not the quality of backups that is keeping him out but the fact he didn't play enough in order to have a clear judgment (plus there are player on the bench who can at least be decent)

 

N'didi: a bit disappointing for the start of the season but he is our only DM, we can manage without him (a bit) but the team won't fall apart if he isn't playing (James and iborra can fill the gap)

 

Simmo: lack of a solid back up, solid defensively (you can even say underrated)

 

Level 3:

 

Drinky: very good in the title winning season but he suffered a lot past December (maybe its injury) but we need a box to box, and the fact that there are 2 solid backups to cover for him (James and iborra) makes him level 3

 

Fuchs: regressed in the last two seasons, Ben can fill in for him but he is a better defender so he should start

 

Marc: underrated, offers so much defensively but there are solid back ups for him (gray, and you can even say musa (yeah, I know, I know!))

 

Huth: should be a starter when he gets back

 

Level 4:

 

Wes: like fuchs, he regressed from the title winning season. he is expendable, he should be 3rd choice after huth is back

 

Okazaki: liked by the fans but he is the easiest player to upgrade on

 

Level 1 players are the most important, there are no players even close to there level in the bench and you can't replace them in this market

 

Level 2 are just below level 1, very important players but there are some competent players to fill the void in the bench if the worst happens

 

Level 3, quality starters but you can upgrade on them, they aren't the difference between us finishing in the top 8 or fighting relegation

 

Level 4 are the most easy to replace but are still solid squad players

 

 

Disclaimer: this is my opinion that I choose after I took every thing into consideration, so don't get triggered!

 

It's not controversial, it's just plain wrong on Vardy. Mahrez might be more of a talent but there are players out there like him. Vardy is a one off. Most important player we have.

[the fox]

3 minutes ago, dmayne7 said:

It's not controversial, it's just plain wrong on Vardy. Mahrez might be more of a talent but there are players out there like him. Vardy is a one off. Most important player we have.

Name one that the club can get! Just 1!

There are a lot of players like vardy, he is just high-end!

 

And if you bothered to read the post well, I was talking about importance to the team and the quality of backups

[Wizerud]

3 hours ago, SydenhamFox said:

£40m for Drinkwater. Come on. I'd drive him to their ground for that. He has not done that much without Kanté by his side IMO. The 'quarterback' role did not work at all last season. He has clearly based his game on Scholes but has a fraction of the talent and pass completion. Expect to get stick for this, but we should bite their arm off for £40m. 

Completely agree with this. I'd have snapped their hand off at $30m at the beginning of this saga but considering $30m in June is worth about $40m now that seems about right! He'll probably look like Drinky 15/16 next to Kante again. Still won't mean we were wrong to sell.

[Suzie the Fox]

But papers say £28m .. not £40m or £30m ... 

[Blue ROI]

Disappointing that it looks like he's going as he was vital for us in the golden era.

 

He didn't look like the same player from December 2016 onwards (bar the Sevilla away assist and the Liverpool wonder goal) but we were lacking something when he was out injured.

 

Be sad for all of us if he goes but we've gotten a great 4.5 years of service from him .

[Nickfosse]

I know I'm in a minority, but I think that Matt James has had pretty good games so far this season.