Drinkwater

[HankMarvin]

1 minute ago, NotTheMarketLeader said:

What's that rating you are quoting?

 

That aside, I was at OT and after a tiring day at the end of

the match, I was underwhelmed by the two in midfield, and James was getting a lot of stick by the end from our fans.

 

Having watched the game Sunday morning, it was clear that James had done alright, and had actually played the better of the two. Wilf was clearly at fault for the goal.

 

Without Kante, it is too much for to expect any two players to get the better of that Man Utd midfield who had three in there.

 

It is simply too big a job.

 

Whilst I realise we had injuries, maybe we should consider that

the manager should think about this aspect of his tactics and set up differently against a force such as that team is. They have better players than we do, yet we continue with the central two

constantly knowing they will be out numbered from the start.

 

It's ridiculous that people are looking to blame the players under these circumstances,

who by 70 mins after chasing and harrying are tiring.

 

This is the time when mistakes are made.

 

Shakespeare apparently was Pearson's tactian. He had James and Cambiasso as the two, and for all his pedigree let's face it he the latter could not run. Then It was a disaster until tactics were changed.

 

Its a pattern, and I feel Shakey needs to change what we have seen so far; at least in certain games.

it was from the Brighton game

whoscored.com 

 

 

[rico]

http://www.skysports.com/transfer/news/11668/11011182/tiemoue-bakayoko-says-danny-drinkwater-is-welcome-at-chelsea

[HankMarvin]

5 minutes ago, rico said:

http://www.skysports.com/transfer/news/11668/11011182/tiemoue-bakayoko-says-danny-drinkwater-is-welcome-at-chelsea

rehashing tweet from yesterday from french tweet

[Babylon]

1 hour ago, HankMarvin said:

 

1 key pass

 

you love a bit of "evidence" to back up opinions 

 

So here's some.

 

6.67

The worst rating of any player that started the game and that was against Brighton.

 

 

lets all be sheep and say he has played really well

 

 

 

 

Whoscored ratings aren't evidence FFS. It's a pre selected weighted scoring system chosen by some randoms. I've seen Mahrez play absolute shite for 89 minutes and walk away with man of the match because he happened to complete a dribble in a dangerous area.

 

But lets play your game. James was rated as better in the Arsenal match. Better than N'didi, Fuchs, Morgan, Simpson, Kasper and the same as Albrighton.

 

Still want to use whoscored ratings?

 

 

[Babylon]

1 hour ago, HankMarvin said:

 

1 key pass

 

you love a bit of "evidence" to back up opinions 

 

So here's some.

 

6.67

The worst rating of any player that started the game and that was against Brighton.

 

 

lets all be sheep and say he has played really well

 

 

 

 

Have I said he played well? I'm arguing the ridiculousness of people blaming him for N'didi being out of form, seemingly not being able to pass, mark his men at corners or create anything. He's been fairly average, no by no means the disaster people are attempting to make out.

[HankMarvin]

1 minute ago, Babylon said:

Whoscored ratings aren't evidence FFS. It's a pre selected weighted scoring system chosen by some randoms. I've seen Mahrez play absolute shite for 89 minutes and walk away with man of the match because he happened to complete a dribble in a dangerous area.

 

But lets play your game. James was rated as better in the Arsenal match. Better than N'didi, Fuchs, Morgan, Simpson, Kasper and the same as Albrighton.

 

Still want to use whoscored ratings?

yes as he was subbed before they conceded 2 more goals 

 

[Babylon]

Just now, HankMarvin said:

yes as he was subbed before they conceded 2 more goals 

 

Should have kept him on then as we might not have conceded hey.

[mod hero]

Should change the name of this site to BabylonTalk.

 

take a break pal

[HankMarvin]

Just now, Babylon said:

Should have kept him on then as we might not have conceded hey.

no

but his ratings are frozen when he come off

[mozartfox]

6 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Whoscored ratings aren't evidence FFS. It's a pre selected weighted scoring system chosen by some randoms. I've seen Mahrez play absolute shite for 89 minutes and walk away with man of the match because he happened to complete a dribble in a dangerous area.

 

But lets play your game. James was rated as better in the Arsenal match. Better than N'didi, Fuchs, Morgan, Simpson, Kasper and the same as Albrighton.

 

Still want to use whoscored ratings?

 

 

Got any 'whoscored' ratings for Rachel??

 

 

 

[Babylon]

1 minute ago, HankMarvin said:

no

but his ratings are frozen when he come off

So what kind of fair ratings system takes points off players who would have had nothing to do with us conceding a goal? Not every single player on the pitch is responsible. So they either only penalise those responsible, or it's a bull shit ratings system.

[Babylon]

1 minute ago, mozartfox said:

Got any 'whoscored' ratings for Rachel??

 

 

 

9.9/10 would have been a 10 but Matty James is dragging down her rating.

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

10 minutes ago, Babylon said:

So what kind of fair ratings system takes points off players who would have had nothing to do with us conceding a goal? Not every single player on the pitch is responsible. So they either only penalise those responsible, or it's a bull shit ratings system.

 

I like you but you don't half babble on

 

ANY CHANCE LADS

 

(for the record I haven't read any of the past few pages, just thought I'd crack that badboy)

[HankMarvin]

9 minutes ago, Babylon said:

So what kind of fair ratings system takes points off players who would have had nothing to do with us conceding a goal? Not every single player on the pitch is responsible. So they either only penalise those responsible, or it's a bull shit ratings system.

 

You harp on about peoples opinions and providing evidence, when someone does you then question the reliability and try and undermine it just as you have with who scored.

 

Do you ever give up, or just keep posting till the other person gets bored. Id suggest the later 

 

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[RonnieTodger]

I think many get too hung up on figures. I'll bet there are better players than Drinkwater for £40m, but what's more important than the £40m is the time we'd have to replace him properly which is now basically 0. 

 

I love the guy, but if he wants to leave, I'd be happy to oblige as long as we have a proper replacement and not some deadline day CM panic buy. 

[jonah]

I expect that even leicester have a contingency plan should they sell him and that someone has already been.lined up....

Whether they get him on the other hand is still to be seen but I'd.be hoping DD transfer is subject to us getting a replacement first 

[Gerard]

Well this topic was created over four weeks a go so if we want a replacement then we've had plenty of notice.

 

I'm sure those ITK at the club probably knew that Drinkwater was almost certainly going weeks a go.

[Trav Le Bleu]

3 hours ago, Babylon said:

Considering I didn't even have an opinion other than "lets actually wait and see", I'm not so sure.

Yeah, you're right...

 

 

[notnow john]

52 minutes ago, mod hero said:

Should change the name of this site to BabylonTalk.

 

take a break pal

I fear the worst, the attack dogs are stirring (no homework)

[st albans fox]

10 minutes ago, Gerard said:

Well this topic was created over four weeks a go so if we want a replacement then we've had plenty of notice.

 

I'm sure those ITK at the club probably knew that Drinkwater was almost certainly going weeks a go.

has it occurred to you that we bought iborra for this possibility ???

 

wondered at the time if something was in the offing.

[Gerard]

Just now, st albans fox said:

has it occurred to you that we bought iborra for this possibility ???

 

wondered at the time if something was in the offing.

 

If we keep Mendy then we have plenty of options in central midfield, people may not like them but we do have plenty of bodies in that area.

 

Ndidi

James

Iborra

Mendy

King

Amartey

[st albans fox]

Just now, Gerard said:

 

If we keep Mendy then we have plenty of options in central midfield, people may not like them but we do have plenty of bodies in that area.

 

Ndidi

James

Iborra

Mendy

King

Amartey

whilst mendy (and iborra for that matter) remain unproven in the PL, that isn't a very reassuring list !

[Gerard]

2 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

whilst mendy (and iborra for that matter) remain unproven in the PL, that isn't a very reassuring list !

 

Both are unproven at PL level but both were bought as first team players.

 

I'm happy to sell Drinkwater at £35m+ and think we could get £40m if we play hardball in a blinking contest as I'm not sure Chelsea have a Plan B.

 

Unless we can get someone in who is a definite upgrade for the right price like the Polish guy at PSG I'm quite happy for Iborra, James and Mendy to fight it out. At least we'll know where we are at in January as far as central midfield goes.

[foxinsocks]

9 minutes ago, Gerard said:

 

Both are unproven at PL level but both were bought as first team players.

 

I'm happy to sell Drinkwater at £35m+ and think we could get £40m if we play hardball in a blinking contest as I'm not sure Chelsea have a Plan B.

 

Unless we can get someone in who is a definite upgrade for the right price like the Polish guy at PSG I'm quite happy for Iborra, James and Mendy to fight it out. At least we'll know where we are at in January as far as central midfield goes.

I just dont think we should sell our best players. ..... this just incites more poaching.

Strong leadership would see the owners say "we are not selling our players... we expect our players to honour their contracts and to focus on making lcfc a top six club playing in the cl....."

This would show agents and other clubs they are wasting their time.

It tells players that when we give them a big pay rise then we are serious about them honouring their contracts.

If they sell drinky... what messages are we sending? 

Imo dd is our only playmaker none of the others can do his job... most are un proven... king is championship quality. We should be adding not subtracting. Does anyone think we are a better club if we swap drinky for  28 38 or even 48m?

[Babylon]

1 hour ago, HankMarvin said:

 

You harp on about peoples opinions and providing evidence, when someone does you then question the reliability and try and undermine it just as you have with who scored.

 

Do you ever give up, or just keep posting till the other person gets bored. Id suggest the later 

 

WhoScored.com Ratings are considered to be the most accurate, respected and well-known performance indicators in the world of football. Our ratings are currently used among media giants, bookmakers and football clubs.

 

WhoScored.com Ratings are based on a unique, comprehensive statistical algorithm, calculated live during the game. There are over 200 raw statistics included in the calculation of a player'’s/team’'s rating, weighted according to their influence within the game. Every event of importance is taken into account, with a positive or negative effect on ratings weighted in relation to its area on the pitch and its outcome.

 

An example: An attempted dribble (event) in the opposition’s final third (area of pitch) that is successful (outcome) will have a positive effect on a player's rating. Ratings that are flashing show that an event influencing said rating has just occurred. Green indicates an increase, while red indicates a decrease in rating.

 

The scoring system for the ratings is out of 10, starting from 6.0, with 10 being the highest score. The ratings are updated live every 30 seconds during the game. Our data providers Opta will update and adjust statistics where necessary 5 minutes after the final whistle. The statistics, and therefore ratings, are also subject to change at anytime after the game, due to any further corrections that need to be made to the statistics.

 

A green star will be awarded to the man of the match 10 minutes after full time. A few minutes after full time our data provider will undergo a review process to improve the accuracy of the statistics, which may result in some stats being corrected/updated. Ratings are also subject to an increase or decrease based on the number of goals a team has scored or conceded, and whether the team has kept a clean sheet at 90 minutes. Such boosts in rating are affected by an individual's playing position and their time on the pitch and will be calculated at full time.

 

 

It's not evidence!!!!! It's a make believe points scoring system for christs sake.

 

If it's evidence and it's such a perfect scoring system then you need to accept they rated James higher than the others. Not start with the "yeah buts...".

 

Its either perfect or it ain't, you can't pick or choose to suit.

 

I choose to ignore it based on the fact I've seen too many games where their scoring system doesn't remotely follow what actually happened on the pitch. As I've argued for several years.