urban.spaceman Posted 23 August 2017 Posted 23 August 2017 11 minutes ago, cityfanlee23 said: IF Mahrez stays, we need ATLEAST 3 players. CB - Absolute must RB - meh, have a few that can play there but no real competition CAM - ABSOLUTE MUST. We are so one dimensional, we need a CAM with some vision so we can change it up to something like a 4-2-3-1 and actually allow Vardy to sit on the back line ready for through balls. Weighted through balls don't need a lot of space behind to cause problems, over the top is pointless. Someone like Gylfi Sig would have been perfect because he can play in a 4-4-2 or in a CAM position which allows us to change formation without making too many changes, Ndidi can play CM and CDM which gives us flexibility. Without an attacking midfielder we will just be predictable this season, get someone in and let DD go if he wants to. He sounds good. Do we have a thread for him?
cityfanlee23 Posted 23 August 2017 Posted 23 August 2017 Just now, urban.spaceman said: He sounds good. Do we have a thread for him? Ross Barkley? Probably get him for 35m now Sig has arrived and he won't want to sit around behind Gylfi.
Guest Basildon Fox Posted 23 August 2017 Posted 23 August 2017 Just now, cityfanlee23 said: Ross Barkley? Probably get him for 35m now Sig has arrived and he won't want to sit around behind Gylfi. Is injured so nobody will go for him till Jan at least when he can sit out the last 6 months of his contract then get the big contract he wants elsewhere. Stupid and greedy but there we go - Modern footballers for you.
hackneyfox Posted 23 August 2017 Posted 23 August 2017 15 minutes ago, cityfanlee23 said: IF Mahrez stays, we need ATLEAST 3 players. CB - Absolute must RB - meh, have a few that can play there but no real competition CAM - ABSOLUTE MUST. We are so one dimensional, we need a CAM with some vision so we can change it up to something like a 4-2-3-1 and actually allow Vardy to sit on the back line ready for through balls. Weighted through balls don't need a lot of space behind to cause problems, over the top is pointless. Someone like Gylfi Sig would have been perfect because he can play in a 4-4-2 or in a CAM position which allows us to change formation without making too many changes, Ndidi can play CM and CDM which gives us flexibility. Without an attacking midfielder we will just be predictable this season, get someone in and let DD go if he wants to. So if Mahrez stays and we sign a CAM where do you propose to play Iheanacho?
cityfanlee23 Posted 23 August 2017 Posted 23 August 2017 13 minutes ago, hackneyfox said: So if Mahrez stays and we sign a CAM where do you propose to play Iheanacho? The example I gave was Gylfi sig, he can play CM and further forward. Can still play 4-4-2 with a player like that. Other examples of players that can play in the centre or behind the strikers: Ramsay Ilicic Defour Goretzka Chadli Wilshire Pereyra Saponara (linked with him last season) Max Meyer Obviously im just plucking names but we need these sorts of diverse players, I'd even allow Ndidi to move forward more often instead of relying on strikers to come back all the time, problem is between Gray and Mahrez we don't really have 2 players fully committed to getting back to defend, so we can't allow either central midfielders a proper attacking role, Prem winning season we could because we had a small machine in CM who soaked up the pressure allowing Drinkwater forward, we don't have that anymore so we need someone who can play a defensive and attacking role, just look at the CM's of A.Madrid, all versatile, if we don't sign an attacking midfielder we need a defensive midfielder to allow the other to go forward, as we did with Drink/Kante.
leicesterlad1989 Posted 23 August 2017 Posted 23 August 2017 51 minutes ago, cityfanlee23 said: IF Mahrez stays, we need ATLEAST 3 players. CB - Absolute must RB - meh, have a few that can play there but no real competition CAM - ABSOLUTE MUST. We are so one dimensional, we need a CAM with some vision so we can change it up to something like a 4-2-3-1 and actually allow Vardy to sit on the back line ready for through balls. Weighted through balls don't need a lot of space behind to cause problems, over the top is pointless. Someone like Gylfi Sig would have been perfect because he can play in a 4-4-2 or in a CAM position which allows us to change formation without making too many changes, Ndidi can play CM and CDM which gives us flexibility. Without an attacking midfielder we will just be predictable this season, get someone in and let DD go if he wants to. CAM is not a must. Where will they fit in? I honestly don't understand this obsession with CAM's. Iheanacho has been signed to play the deeper role (number 10). He's a good passer of the ball and a better finisher than the others we currently use in that position. I honestly believe having Maguire in the team should allow our midfielders to move further up field. Too many times last season Drinkwater had to come deep to pick the ball up from our defence. Based on Maguires first three games, he's capable of bringing the ball forward and a good passed of the ball.
cityfanlee23 Posted 23 August 2017 Posted 23 August 2017 4 minutes ago, leicesterlad1989 said: CAM is not a must. Where will they fit in? I honestly don't understand this obsession with CAM's. Iheanacho has been signed to play the deeper role (number 10). He's a good passer of the ball and a better finisher than the others we currently use in that position. I honestly believe having Maguire in the team should allow our midfielders to move further up field. Too many times last season Drinkwater had to come deep to pick the ball up from our defence. Based on Maguires first three games, he's capable of bringing the ball forward and a good passed of the ball. Read above.
hackneyfox Posted 23 August 2017 Posted 23 August 2017 32 minutes ago, cityfanlee23 said: The example I gave was Gylfi sig, he can play CM and further forward. Can still play 4-4-2 with a player like that. Other examples of players that can play in the centre or behind the strikers: Ramsay Ilicic Defour Goretzka Chadli Wilshire Pereyra Saponara (linked with him last season) Max Meyer Obviously im just plucking names but we need these sorts of diverse players, I'd even allow Ndidi to move forward more often instead of relying on strikers to come back all the time, problem is between Gray and Mahrez we don't really have 2 players fully committed to getting back to defend, so we can't allow either central midfielders a proper attacking role, Prem winning season we could because we had a small machine in CM who soaked up the pressure allowing Drinkwater forward, we don't have that anymore so we need someone who can play a defensive and attacking role, just look at the CM's of A.Madrid, all versatile, if we don't sign an attacking midfielder we need a defensive midfielder to allow the other to go forward, as we did with Drink/Kante. So give me your ideal 11 that manages to shoe horn in Iheanacho Vardy CAM Mahrez Albrighton Ndidi Drinwater/Iborra/James I'm struggling to see how Ndidi is going to do the role that is currently covered by himself and James.
Ricey Posted 23 August 2017 Posted 23 August 2017 1 hour ago, Babylon said: The window closes in days, if something is going to happen it's going to be pretty imminent. I'm still not certain he was hinting that something will definitely happen, more that it's a possibility so let's wait and see what happens.
cityfanlee23 Posted 23 August 2017 Posted 23 August 2017 Kasper Simpson New CB Maguire Fuchs Mahrez Ndidi New CM Albrighton Iheanacho Vardy You don't seem to be grasping my point, we need a CAM who can also play CM (if you read my post thats why I mentioned the list of players above who can play both roles. This allows us to change shape and be less one dimentional. Ndidi can either push forward to CAM on the attack (in a 4-4-2) or stay as a CDM when we attack (in a 4-4-2) But at present we are too static because if Ndidi moves forward we are leaving one CM on his own in the middle if we get countered because both Gray and Mahrez are laboured when defending. That's my point. we need to be able to switch it up and not be so predictable.
leicesterlad1989 Posted 23 August 2017 Posted 23 August 2017 31 minutes ago, cityfanlee23 said: The example I gave was Gylfi sig, he can play CM and further forward. Can still play 4-4-2 with a player like that. Other examples of players that can play in the centre or behind the strikers: Ramsay Ilicic Defour Goretzka Chadli Wilshire Pereyra Saponara (linked with him last season) Max Meyer Obviously im just plucking names but we need these sorts of diverse players, I'd even allow Ndidi to move forward more often instead of relying on strikers to come back all the time, problem is between Gray and Mahrez we don't really have 2 players fully committed to getting back to defend, so we can't allow either central midfielders a proper attacking role, Prem winning season we could because we had a small machine in CM who soaked up the pressure allowing Drinkwater forward, we don't have that anymore so we need someone who can play a defensive and attacking role, just look at the CM's of A.Madrid, all versatile, if we don't sign an attacking midfielder we need a defensive midfielder to allow the other to go forward, as we did with Drink/Kante. Even with your examples and explanation I still don't see why a CAM is a must? We have a number of players who play the number 10 role. Some better than others. If we signed a more attack minded midfielder, like those on your list, it would leave us open in midfield. Imagine having Mahrez, Iheanacho, Vardy and another attacking midfielder bombing forward. We would leave ourselves more vulnerable in defence. There are other methods to improve the gap from defence to attack, one of which is Maguire bringing the ball forward. This should allow Drinkwater, assuming he's still with us, to be further up field. N'didi making runs with the ball, which he did last night, will lessen the gap. It's amazing what space he creates by carrying the ball. I honestly believe with the current squad and the way we play, we don't need a CAM. We actually need to improve our defence before anything. Should we lose players then I would be open to more attackers.
leicesterlad1989 Posted 23 August 2017 Posted 23 August 2017 Just now, cityfanlee23 said: Kasper Simpson New CB Maguire Fuchs Mahrez Ndidi New CM Albrighton Iheanacho Vardy You don't seem to be grasping my point, we need a CAM who can also play CM (if you read my post thats why I mentioned the list of players above who can play both roles. This allows us to change shape and be less one dimentional. Ndidi can either push forward to CAM on the attack (in a 4-4-2) or stay as a CDM when we attack (in a 4-4-2) But at present we are too static because if Ndidi moves forward we are leaving one CM on his own in the middle if we get countered because both Gray and Mahrez are laboured when defending. That's my point. we need to be able to switch it up and not be so predictable. I do grasp the point you are making. I just think it's wrong that's all but that's my opinion.
cityfanlee23 Posted 23 August 2017 Posted 23 August 2017 Just now, leicesterlad1989 said: Even with your examples and explanation I still don't see why a CAM is a must? We have a number of players who play the number 10 role. Some better than others. If we signed a more attack minded midfielder, like those on your list, it would leave us open in midfield. Imagine having Mahrez, Iheanacho, Vardy and another attacking midfielder bombing forward. We would leave ourselves more vulnerable in defence. There are other methods to improve the gap from defence to attack, one of which is Maguire bringing the ball forward. This should allow Drinkwater, assuming he's still with us, to be further up field. N'didi making runs with the ball, which he did last night, will lessen the gap. It's amazing what space he creates by carrying the ball. I honestly believe with the current squad and the way we play, we don't need a CAM. We actually need to improve our defence before anything. Should we lose players then I would be open to more attackers. For christ sake read the post. I;ve had to explain this 3 times now. A CAM THAT CAN ALSO PLAY CM SO WE CAN SWITCH FORMATIONS WHEN NEEDED. Read the post PLEASE. If we had Gylfi sig for example, he could slot into a 4-4-2 with Ndidi in the centre, allowing either of them to push forward whilst the other sits back. It also gives us the scope to change to a formation such as a 3-5-2 with an attacking midfielder.
cityfanlee23 Posted 23 August 2017 Posted 23 August 2017 Just now, leicesterlad1989 said: I do grasp the point you are making. I just think it's wrong that's all but that's my opinion. But you don't grasp it, because you're asking questions i've already pointed out are irellevant because I'm talking about signing a diverse player who can play both CM and CAM, not just a sole CAM and nothing else. I gave an entire list of players that can play both roles.
Babylon Posted 23 August 2017 Author Posted 23 August 2017 There is only one must and that's a CB as Benny looks on his way out and Wes is getting lots of injuries. The others areas already have cover and we can certainly have a very good season how things are.
Babylon Posted 23 August 2017 Author Posted 23 August 2017 5 minutes ago, cityfanlee23 said: You don't seem to be grasping my point, we need a CAM who can also play CM (if you read my post thats why I mentioned the list of players above who can play both roles. Looks to me like you're saying we need a creative CM. I think this CAM stuff is confusing people .
leicesterlad1989 Posted 23 August 2017 Posted 23 August 2017 1 minute ago, cityfanlee23 said: But you don't grasp it, because you're asking questions i've already pointed out are irellevant because I'm talking about signing a diverse player who can play both CM and CAM, not just a sole CAM and nothing else. I gave an entire list of players that can play both roles. I quite clearly "grasp it" but as I have explained, I don't think we need that type of player. You use the correct players for their preferred position. You say Sigurdsson could slot in a two man midfield but personally I think he's more suited as a number 10, so I'd play him there. We have plenty of Number 10's. We have plenty of CM's. If you want to change the formation, then you pick the correct players for that formation. 2 minutes ago, Babylon said: Looks to me like you're saying we need a creative CM. I think this CAM stuff is confusing people . Pretty much this. If you think we need more creativity, I'd still suggest we have plenty though.
cityfanlee23 Posted 23 August 2017 Posted 23 August 2017 2 minutes ago, Babylon said: Looks to me like you're saying we need a creative CM. I think this CAM stuff is confusing people . Essentially yes, not sure how it's confusing people I pointed this out in my very first post. "Someone like Gylfi Sig would have been perfect because he can play in a 4-4-2 or in a CAM position which allows us to change formation without making too many changes, Ndidi can play CM and CDM which gives us flexibility. "
sdb Posted 23 August 2017 Posted 23 August 2017 We don't NEED anything. We have 2 players per position. With Benney likely off and Huth and Morgan slowing a CB makes a lot of sense. Beyond that though, I don't see the need for adding to an already oversized squad. Amartey can play RB. Mahrez, Gray, Slimani, Ihenacho, Okazaki, Drinkwater could all play as a 10. James, Drinkwater, King, Iborra and Mendy can all play alongside Ndidi. Too many people are desperate to just sign players. Haven't we learnt a tight knit group of players breeds success?!
Monsell1976 Posted 23 August 2017 Posted 23 August 2017 1 hour ago, Zaphod Beeblebrox said: Is injured so nobody will go for him till Jan at least when he can sit out the last 6 months of his contract then get the big contract he wants elsewhere. Stupid and greedy but there we go - Modern footballers for you. Wouldn't go near him, isn't he always injured, jack Wiltshire mark 2
Scotch Posted 23 August 2017 Posted 23 August 2017 People seem to be immediately writing off Iborra when speaking about a creative midfielder. I'm sure with how he plays, that is the exact reason he was brought to the club. I see him playing games against teams that are more likely to sit back against us and be switched for Drinky against teams who are a bit more attacking.
Long Eaton Fox Posted 23 August 2017 Posted 23 August 2017 Not bad. 5 pages based on a non existent quote from Shakey.
Gerard Posted 23 August 2017 Posted 23 August 2017 1 hour ago, cityfanlee23 said: Ross Barkley? Probably get him for 35m now Sig has arrived and he won't want to sit around behind Gylfi. Ross Barkley isn't refusing to sign a contract at his boyhood club so he can join us.
matty98 Posted 23 August 2017 Posted 23 August 2017 In a 442 you can't afford the luxury of an attacking midfielder, both central players need to be able to defend.
Stevosevic Posted 23 August 2017 Posted 23 August 2017 13 minutes ago, Long Eaton Fox said: Not bad. 5 pages based on a non existent quote from Shakey. It's not non existent....he said it on air
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