VAR

[urban.spaceman]

Closer and closer:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42269798

 

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Brighton's FA Cup third-round meeting with Crystal Palace will be the first competitive club match in England in which VAR (Video Assistant Referee) technology is used.

The Football Association said in March that it would trial VAR in the FA Cup.

Tottenham's home tie against AFC Wimbledon had been considered as a possible test of the system.

 

VAR technology is used in three "game-changing" situations; goals, penalties and straight red cards, and can also flag up cases of mistaken identity by the referee.

It was first deployed in an official match in the United Kingdom for England's goalless draw in a friendly against Germany in November., although it was not called on by the referee.

"The FA has always been open to trialling new innovations and was heavily involved in the advancement of goal-line technology before it was introduced," said the FA's director of professional game relations Andy Ambler.

Ambler added that the use of VAR in the FA Cup "further demonstrates that whilst being the most famous and historic domestic cup competition in the world it is also modern, progressive and innovative".

The system has been tested around the world since the International Football Association Board approved a two-year trial in 2016.

Since being used in the Club World Cup in December of that year it was also been seen in domestic competitions such as the Bundesliga, Serie A and Major League Soccer.

 

Also read elsewhere that it shall be implemented in the League Cup semi-finals, which could affect us...

[AKCJ]

Games played on live TV should have a microphone link between the referee and his video assistant akin to Rugby and Cricket.

Edited 7 December 2017 by AKCJ

[Guest]

To only be for those 4 reasons is a joke.

[UPinCarolina]

16 minutes ago, FIF said:

To only be for those 4 reasons is a joke.

I think it seems fine for a limited roll out. Think of how many more wins we might have had the last two seasons if it had been properly deployed.

[HighPeakFox]

For pedants everywhere, a 'new innovation' is a tautology.

[Trav Le Bleu]

2 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

For pedants everywhere, a 'new innovation' is a tautology.

That's a discerning observation.

[HighPeakFox]

5 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

That's a discerning observation.

It's nice that someone appreciates it.

[StanSP]

all for VAR.

 

I watch a lot of A-League, Serie A and Bundesliga and, in my opinion, it's proved very effective on the whole. Cleared up a lot of incorrect decisions where a referee may have missed an offside/a foul in the lead up to a goal.

 

The only gripe I have at the moment is the time it can sometimes take to get to a correct decision.

 

But you'd rather get to the right decision if it takes a couple of minutes as opposed to a game being lost or affected heavily because it wasnt checked, right?

[Suzie the Fox]

It would be funny (ish) if the VAR games have no controversies and the other games where its not being implemented have some meh moments with the ref making a descision that is later proven to be wrong. 

 

Not sure why they dont just roll it out to ALL of the games. 

[WigstonWanderer]

39 minutes ago, StanSP said:

all for VAR.

 

I watch a lot of A-League, Serie A and Bundesliga and, in my opinion, it's proved very effective on the whole. Cleared up a lot of incorrect decisions where a referee may have missed an offside/a foul in the lead up to a goal.

 

The only gripe I have at the moment is the time it can sometimes take to get to a correct decision.

 

But you'd rather get to the right decision if it takes a couple of minutes as opposed to a game being lost or affected heavily because it wasnt checked, right?

Personally I would, but the delay is sometimes met with impatience by managers, players, fans, commentators, etc.

[Mrfox452]

Not really a big fan of VAR personally, it kills the pace of the game and cuts out a lot of the emotion from the game.

 

No doubt refs piss me off most games, but I would rather have that then the emotion being lost from the game.

[surrifox]

They're going to need to sort out the timing of the whole match with the stoppages to refer incidents  - NFL coverage crams 60minutes playing time into 3 1/2 hours ( albeit with masses of adverts and time outs ) - We shouldn't move in that direction 

[WigstonWanderer]

2 minutes ago, surrifox said:

They're going to need to sort out the timing of the whole match with the stoppages to refer incidents  - NFL coverage crams 60minutes playing time into 3 1/2 hours ( albeit with masses of adverts and time outs ) - We shouldn't move in that direction 

In practice there are very few incidents per match, based on what I've seen in the A League, though I only tend to watch Perth, so may have missed some other controversies.

[Wolfox]

1 hour ago, UPinCarolina said:

I think it seems fine for a limited roll out. Think of how many more wins we might have had the last two seasons if it had been properly deployed.

We’d have lost a couple too…. These things tend to even themselves out

 

The tech has been about for years…. I can’t fathom for the life of me why it hasn’t been rolled out to at least the prem and championship...  long overdue

 

The ‘Hackney Marshes’ argument was always rolled out, but, I never subscribed to that as the stakes are so much higher…

[Stadt]

People complaining about VAR in the same week Clattenburg revealed he had a 'game plan', I'm all for it.

[StanSP]

4 minutes ago, WigstonWanderer said:

In practice there are very few incidents per match, based on what I've seen in the A League, though I only tend to watch Perth, so may have missed some other controversies.

yep, a-league use it quite well and for all the incidents that take 2-3 minutes (maybe only 1 or 2 per game), there's other incidents which are checked as the game is going on and it's only when the ball is out will the referee be told to check it himself on a screen by the side of the pitch. Sometimes things are checked and the game isn't even stopped at all. 

[davieG]

25 minutes ago, Mrfox452 said:

Not really a big fan of VAR personally, it kills the pace of the game and cuts out a lot of the emotion from the game.

 

No doubt refs piss me off most games, but I would rather have that then the emotion being lost from the game.

No more so than the time it takes to set up free kicks these days most of which fly over or pass the goal or the time it takes an injured player to walk off the pitch only to get straight back on within seconds.

[Steven]

A much discredited Investment Portfolio risk management tool.

[SpacedX]

3 hours ago, HighPeakFox said:

For pedants everywhere, a 'new innovation' is a tautology.

Well, I suppose you could conceivably revive an 'old innovation' but would that then be an oxymoron?

[HighPeakFox]

11 minutes ago, Line-X said:

Well, I suppose you could conceivably revive an 'old innovation' but would that then be an oxymoron?

I guess so - an old innovation is no longer new, thus the word becomes redundant!

[MadKaw]

Its been poor in the A-league. Taking too long and decisions are still incorrect.

Not too many in favour of it over here.. At least not in its current form.

 

https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/a-league/aleague-shootout-wrap-video-highlights-mark-bosnich-on-most-confusing-part-of-var-debate/news-story/d95a4885713cb89de6990a71a1c8e72e

Edited 8 December 2017 by MadKaw

[mozartfox]

Hopefully the Club will use it to eradicate crap signings in the next Transfer Window.

[seenitall]

There will be no excitement left in the game at this rate....absolute nonsense

[Captain...]

For mistaken identity, incorrectly given handballs, ie it didn’t hit the hand and for clear offsides/onside then it could work.

 

For anything else it is all so subjective and down to refs interpretation that anything else just becomes a mine field. I would say VAR has 30 seconds to contradict the ref and a minute when it comes to goals and penalties you can’t conclusively prove it in that time then you stick with the on field ref.

[Guest]

15 hours ago, surrifox said:

They're going to need to sort out the timing of the whole match with the stoppages to refer incidents  - NFL coverage crams 60minutes playing time into 3 1/2 hours ( albeit with masses of adverts and time outs ) - We shouldn't move in that direction 

NFL games took 4 hours before they even had video referals. Your argument is a big nothing.

 

 

1 hour ago, seenitall said:

There will be no excitement left in the game at this rate....absolute nonsense

If that's what you call excitement you should watch wrestling instead.

 

 

There is no reason that a video ref cannot watch and comment whilst the game is in progress. There are always stoppages when a goal is scored or a penalty given so really there shouldn't be much difference in the holdup. We could speed up games further by immediately booking players who question the referee and booking or giving free kicks for time wasting.