Puel-come to the future

[Tringfox]

40 minutes ago, bovril said:

Ranieri's interviews in 15/16 were cheese central. We won the league. 

So what are you saying? 

[bovril]

1 hour ago, Tringfox said:

So what are you saying? 

I don't give a shit about interviews. 

[Tringfox]

30 minutes ago, bovril said:

I don't give a shit about interviews. 

Nice one pal...carry on!

[Dan LCFC]

I'm completely sick of our tendency to nosedive. I'm really worried it's happening yet again after an original good start with him. What the hell has happened to the side who put that winning run together? We were playing some great football back then. The last three home games have been like watching us at the end of Shakespeare's reign - where a dreadful Pulis managed West Brom came here, played the the draw and got it, allowed us to dictate things and we ultimately had little clue how to.

 

I'm nowhere near saying Puel out yet as I still saw enough early doors to think he's got something about him, but I do worry that we're going to be sat here in a months time after a draw with Newcastle, no semi final and no win in 8 games. It's a totally plausible scenario with the way we're playing, and if it does happen, then what?

 

I think Puel wants us to play a certain way, but that way is the polar opposite to the style of play we've been built on for years. I think the expectations on a lot of our players from his system are greater than they're capable of.

 

It's a bit like when we appointed Sousa, obviously it's far better as he was a shambles here, but there's a culture clash.

 

It's a gamble though for us to take. If it doesn't work out for him, I think we'll be serious relegation candidates because we'll end up stuck somewhere in the middle. I think we'll end up being like Stoke - who played a very defined game which Hughes tried to change. It went wrong for Hughes and look at them now, a shambles right above the trap door.

 

He's going to have to do a fair bit of business this summer if he's going to prove successful for us. It's vital we sign a pair of full backs, both attacking, and get a number ten in. We've a startling lack of creativity in the middle.

[Dan LCFC]

8 hours ago, Manwell Pablo said:

 

That'd he'd gone nuts at the initial Man City bid being turned down About an hour after it went in.

 

agreed if what I've heard is true he's on thin ice already 

With West Brom as our next game I'm actually quite concerned it could be his last game if what you're saying there is true. Got a lot of reservations about Puel but we'd be in serious danger of being looked at as a major gamble by prospective managers and players.

 

If he did go I'd be straight onto Marco Silva, and yet funnily enough I think he'd think twice because our slightly unfair (at the minute) reputation of being trigger happy, would become fair.

[Rob1742]

1. Changes tactics constantly, players don’t know what they are doing.

 

2. Players clearly getting frustrated with him, you saw that yesterday with communication between them and him.

 

3. Players underperforming under him, as you see the confidence slip away.

 

4. Boring as hell, both him and his football. I just no longer want to go.

 

5. Transfer window was a shambles, letting two strikers go that would have given us a different option. 

 

6. Strange decisions not playing Silva and Iborra. 

 

There is no future for him, it’s just a matter of time now. I just hope we have a few more bad results which will cement his future. I say this as we really don’t want him hanging on into next season where we risk a poor start with him and then relegation.

 

Needs to go by the season end, as we have a good squad and he clearly isn’t getting the best out of them. 

Edited 4 March 2018 by Rob1742

[Manwell Pablo]

8 hours ago, Dan LCFC said:

With West Brom as our next game I'm actually quite concerned it could be his last game if what you're saying there is true. Got a lot of reservations about Puel but we'd be in serious danger of being looked at as a major gamble by prospective managers and players.

 

If he did go I'd be straight onto Marco Silva, and yet funnily enough I think he'd think twice because our slightly unfair (at the minute) reputation of being trigger happy, would become fair.

 

You'd think so yes but I am waiting to see how this pans out, big test of said sources accuracy this  

[Gerard]

17 hours ago, Manwell Pablo said:

 

It is, I think he was sacked a bit too early as well but I think you've got to look at the bigger picture a bit before pulling the plug and Shakespeare had us in the bottom three and our overall position despite our recent problems is not exactly bleak.

 

It's symptomatic of modern football but sacking someone after the first time they hit a bit of a hard time doesn't sit well with me.

 

Shakey on the face of it was treated harshly considering he'd never lost to a team outside the top six. We had however looked worse and worse under him and the performances at away draws at Bournemouth and Huddersfield  were a disgrace. I said at the time I didn't think Shakey should have been given the job full time as he'd began to unravel whilst still temporary manager and he just lost the plot in the Tottenham at home match. He kept putting forward thinking players on when we were losing and I've still no idea what he was trying to do other than hope for the best.

 

Unlike Shakey who was employed well above his pay grade Puel has had years of success as a manager. He won the French title with Monaco and took Lyon to the Champions League semi final. He's come here and took a team in the relegation battle and has us virtually safe in a very short space of time. He's come here and didn't feel he needed to spend big in January as he continues to assess his squad. He's looked at Slimani, Musa, Ulloa and King and realised very quickly they're surplus to requirements and has tried to get rid of them ASAP.

 

Even though performances have been below standard recently he's trying to put his stamp on the team and it's a work in progress with teething problems. Whatever anyone wants to criticise we have dominated our last three home draws comprehensively across all the stats. Sacking him now would be a disaster and I've certainly seen more than enough that there is something to work with. 

 

Sack him now and the usual suspects will be calling for the new man to be sacked in a few months time. I'd like to hear who we should be getting as any manager with decent options won't touch us.

[Gerard]

18 hours ago, Webbo said:

All managers have to cope with injuries and plan accordingly.

 

And he did.

 

You can't blame the manager for not having a specialised right back on the bench just in case.  Puel made his call and got on with it.

[Manwell Pablo]

6 minutes ago, Gerard said:

 

Shakey on the face of it was treated harshly considering he'd never lost to a team outside the top six. We had however looked worse and worse under him and the performances at away draws at Bournemouth and Huddersfield  were a disgrace. I said at the time I didn't think Shakey should have been given the job full time as he'd began to unravel whilst still temporary manager and he just lost the plot in the Tottenham at home match. He kept putting forward thinking players on when we were losing and I've still no idea what he was trying to do other than hope for the best.

 

Unlike Shakey who was employed well above his pay grade Puel has had years of success as a manager. He won the French title with Monaco and took Lyon to the Champions League semi final. He's come here and took a team in the relegation battle and has us virtually safe in a very short space of time. He's come here and didn't feel he needed to spend big in January as he continues to assess his squad. He's looked at Slimani, Musa, Ulloa and King and realised very quickly they're surplus to requirements and has tried to get rid of them ASAP.

 

Even though performances have been below standard recently he's trying to put his stamp on the team and it's a work in progress with teething problems. Whatever anyone wants to criticise we have dominated our last three home draws comprehensively across all the stats. Sacking him now would be a disaster and I've certainly seen more than enough that there is something to work with. 

 

Sack him now and the usual suspects will be calling for the new man to be sacked in a few months time. I'd like to hear who we should be getting as any manager with decent options won't touch us.

 

Not entirely sure why I've been quoted but ok Gerard good post ?

 

I agree but I can see others frustrations some of his decisions are a tad odd.

[norwichfox]

17 hours ago, gurru991 said:

Send someone to have a quiet chat with Rafa & tell him he will have money to spend if he joins Leicester. 

I think whichever manager we have he will have to bend too far to suit the players we are rooted here. Benitez may have won UEFA Europa League, UEFA Super Cup, UEFA Champions League and the FIFA Club World Cup, but do you want a manager that loans an injured Slimani for £2mil fee and took his club down season before last......I'd rather give Puel longer tbh, I think he will be good for the long term future of the club given his willingness to introduce younger players to the first team.

[foxinsocks]

Thinking about puel- his interviews are so crap we don't know what he is thinking and what his vision is.  I realize now that the owners' confidence will depend on this vision - I am sure they will talk with him about it (....before giving him the summer money) - buy t it would be nice if he told us what he is trying to do... I have no idea.

[indierich06]

On 03/03/2018 at 22:15, bovril said:

We need a long term solution so sack a guy after 5 months?

I'm usually one for giving a manager time - backed Pearson to the hilt on here, when plenty were calling for his head, and I've always backed other managers too - Ranieri, Shakespeare. But when it's not working, it's not working - like when Sven was here, I knew he had to go.

For me, Puel has shown nothing in the time he's been here that makes me think he'll be a long term success. Think I'm right in saying we've only won 7 out of the 19 league games we've had since he came on board, and only 2 wins in the last 10 games - with some really winnable games in there. Performances have been getting worse and worse, and he hasn't show any signs of getting the team to play in a particular style or of having any tactical nous - his decision making in games has been terrible. He just seems content to play dreadful football and grind out draws.

 

We've not appointed a full managerial backroom team since Pearson came back and brought Shakey and Walsh with him - look how well the club was run then, Pearson knew everyone from top to bottom and laid the foundation for one of the best sides we've ever had. Ever since then we seem to be just dropping people into the manager's role with no holistic view of how the club should be run - it worked spectacularly well with Ranieri, but Shakespeare and Puel have both been disasters. 

In my opinion, we need someone who is going to come in and get the most out of the players we have, but more importantly put their own stamp on the club with their own team and their own ideas. The title winning squad is ageing now, and Mahrez will likely be gone in the summer. So there needs to be some serious work done - thoughtful, planned-out work - on how to rebuild this team. Is Puel the man for that? Not for me. 

[Babylon]

On 3/4/2018 at 12:00, Gerard said:

 

Shakey on the face of it was treated harshly considering he'd never lost to a team outside the top six.

I think if memory serves me correct, under CS and Puel we've only lost to only two teams that didn't finish in last seasons top 7.... Watford away and Palace at home.

[Babylon]

On 3/3/2018 at 18:06, Ian Nacho said:

Can anyone start to understand Southampton fans frustrations?

Wonder how they feel now being 1 point outside the relegation zone.

[l444ry]

On ‎03‎/‎03‎/‎2018 at 20:07, KJT said:

Appleton had a 100% win record with us I believe

Sorted us out immediately and we looked very organised during his very short spell.

[winteriscoming]

Looking at the saints forum they asked them if they would of given puel another season, with where they are now. Surprisely the majority would not. The main argument they have is they see it as hiring someone worse than puel. I do find that quite concerning that even in the position there in they still wouldn't want another season under puel. Don't get me wrong I am in the puel to stay camp but you do see similaries with our season and there's. 

[ZeGuy]

14 minutes ago, l444ry said:

Sorted us out immediately and we looked very organised during his very short spell.

Yeah let's sack Puel and give him the job. Said no one ever.

[l444ry]

1 minute ago, ZeGuy said:

Yeah let's sack Puel and give him the job. Said no one ever.

Learn to engage brain before speaking chap. Nobody is suggesting that, certainly not me. 

[ZeGuy]

Just now, l444ry said:

Learn to engage brain before speaking chap. Nobody is suggesting that, certainly not me. 

My bad then.

[Wymsey]

4 minutes ago, l444ry said:

Learn to engage brain before speaking chap. Nobody is suggesting that, certainly not me. 

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

18 minutes ago, winteriscoming said:

Looking at the saints forum they asked them if they would of given puel another season, with where they are now. Surprisely the majority would not. The main argument they have is they see it as hiring someone worse than puel. I do find that quite concerning that even in the position there in they still wouldn't want another season under puel. Don't get me wrong I am in the puel to stay camp but you do see similaries with our season and there's. 

Even if Puel turns out to fail here, we need to give him a decent go of it and then we can be sure

 

Southampton made a mistake. Their fans are clearly stubborn, but only a fool would swap their results last season for whats happening this season. They will never know what Puel could have done for them and we dont yet either

 

The fact that people want Puel out already attests to how effected they have become by the trigger happy manager sacking culture that now exists. Its getting ridiculous

[ZeGuy]

Any post referencing the Southampton fans as justification for our actual results should land directly in the bin.

[ZeGuy]

6 minutes ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said:

Even if Puel turns out to fail here, we need to give him a decent go of it and then we can be sure

 

Southampton made a mistake. Their fans are clearly stubborn, but only a fool would swap their results last season for whats happening this season. They will never know what Puel could have done for them and we dont yet either

 

The fact that people want Puel out already attests to how effected they have become by the trigger happy manager sacking culture that now exists. Its getting ridiculous

Great post.

[winteriscoming]

13 minutes ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said:

Even if Puel turns out to fail here, we need to give him a decent go of it and then we can be sure

 

Southampton made a mistake. Their fans are clearly stubborn, but only a fool would swap their results last season for whats happening this season. They will never know what Puel could have done for them and we dont yet either

 

The fact that people want Puel out already attests to how effected they have become by the trigger happy manager sacking culture that now exists. Its getting ridiculous

I agree so far puel has signed 1 player let him have the summer to get the players he wants. I don't think he has the personel that he wants atm. The main argument southampton fans have was his negative football but they do accept he was dealt a bad hand - losing mane and pelle in the summer and then fonte in january, as well as vvd injured in the new year. The one thing everyone can agree on is we are in a better position than if Shakespeare had stayed.