England v Spain match chit chat.

[UniFox21]

Few things i picked up on last night.

 

1. In defence we become very narrow, they mentioned this huge amounts of times in commentary, but it's so accurate. The minute they drop to a 5, opposition gets the overload on the fullback and just bypass our midfield.

 

2. Dier needs to start instead of Henderson for bigger teams, simply to help protect the back 3 and pick some of the loose passes up. 

 

3. Alli and Lingard are too similar, both fairly weak and basically do the same job. Playing one and replacing the other with a box to box like Ox (when fit) or someone with more presence and can actually pass a ball. 

 

4. Rashford is bloody overrated. Great talent, but the amount of chances he missed. Kane ,still, did absolutely F all. We then have Welbeck on the bench... Vardy would've been extremely useful in this situation, running and pressing their back line is his style ffs. 

[foxes_rule1978]

2 hours ago, Fox92 said:

But Southgate has still lost to any half decent side he's played

Give him time, the two games against Belgium were dead runners and Croatia just beat us in extra time... we aren’t great but Southgate is getting the most of what is available to him. Against Spain how many saves did Pickford have to make? De Gea was in action more and got lucky 

Edited 9 September 2018 by foxes_rule1978

[Fox92]

11 minutes ago, foxes_rule1978 said:

Give him time, the two games against Belgium were dead runners and Croatia just beat us in extra time... we aren’t great but Southgate is getting the most of what is available to him. Against Spain how many saves did Pickford have to make? De Gea was in action more and got lucky 

Croatia didn't just beat us though, they should have won in 90mins. Still believe he'll end up leaving having won nothing just like the others. Last four of a World Cup is excellent but we didn't beat anybody special to get there. 

Edited 9 September 2018 by Fox92

[fuchsntf]

12 hours ago, BenTheFox said:

Henderson is nowhere near as bad as people make him out to be. Dier on the other hand I just don't rate at all. I see your point though. There's far too much responsibility placed on Henderson/Dier's shoulders to try and run the game. I think the current set up makes us far more affective against weaker opposition than we were previously, but we seem to come unstuck in that area against the better sides. 

Agree..adding the D.Ali,is not living up to his International Potential. So far in the England shirt,he is far too lightweight....

I admit playing for Spurs,he's more aggressive,on the frontfoot,and holds the ball well...Outside Trippier,we have no link up...

Henderson/Dier  are two of the last players,I would criticise....

[foxes_rule1978]

21 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Croatia didn't just beat us though, they should have won in 90mins. Still believe he'll end up leaving having won nothing just like the others. Last four of a World Cup is excellent but we didn't beat anybody special to get there. 

First half we could have easily been three up, it seems people have selective memories 

[foxfanazer]

22 minutes ago, foxes_rule1978 said:

First half we could have easily been three up, it seems people have selective memories 

But we weren’t. Think that’s the point

Edited 9 September 2018 by foxfanazer

[foxfanazer]

Harry Kane has visited Luke Shaw in the Wembley Stadium medical room!

“His speech is still a bit slurred but he’s just about managing to string a sentence together,” said Luke. 

[whoareyaaa]

Southgate has the right idea but doesn't know how to utilise it the midfield is too weak/lightweight to compete with strong teams and there are a lot of these in Europe, never mind the ability.

 

I don't really like the bloke (Southgate) these players are almost irreplaceable to him and quite frankly it doesn't work.

 

We create some good chances but are unable to finish them as we have players like Sterling, Rashford, Alli etc.. bar Kane who is either on form or complete shit we rely to much on Kane for starters.

 

We go into games with a lot of hope but end up with buttons

 

 

Edited 9 September 2018 by whoareyaaa

[foxfanazer]

4 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

Southgate has the right idea but doesn't know how to utilise it the midfield is too weak/lightweight to compete with strong teams and there are a lot of these in Europe, never mind the ability.

 

I don't really like the bloke (Southgate) these players are almost irreplaceable to him and quite frankly it doesn't work.

 

We create some good chances but are unable to finish them as we have players like Sterling, Rashford, Alli etc.. bar Kane who is either on form or complete shit we rely to much on Kane for starters.

 

 

I think his in game management is pretty poor too

[whoareyaaa]

2 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

I think his in game management is pretty poor too

agree we should have made it to the final, granted we would have probably got smashed by France but we are never getting that opportunity again in Southgates career as an England manager, this midfield would never compete at the Euros either, as proved against Croatia these European teams are strong and our midfield is as lightweight as they come.

[Stadt]

A midfield trio of an 8 and a pair of 10s is too imbalanced. We need an proper DM, a box to box midfielder and then one of Alli/Lingard or whoever 

[fuchsntf]

2 hours ago, UniFox21 said:

Few things i picked up on last night.

 

1. In defence we become very narrow, they mentioned this huge amounts of times in commentary, but it's so accurate. The minute they drop to a 5, opposition gets the overload on the fullback and just bypass our midfield.

 

2. Dier needs to start instead of Henderson for bigger teams, simply to help protect the back 3 and pick some of the loose passes up. 

 

3. Alli and Lingard are too similar, both fairly weak and basically do the same job. Playing one and replacing the other with a box to box like Ox (when fit) or someone with more presence and can actually pass a ball. 

 

4. Rashford is bloody overrated. Great talent, but the amount of chances he missed. Kane ,still, did absolutely F all. We then have Welbeck on the bench... Vardy would've been extremely useful in this situation, running and pressing their back line is his style ffs. 

From the 4 pts

 

IMO.....1,2....comms si comms ca

 

3 + 4...That's now I see it.  Rashford exploded on the scene....but he still needs more seasons in the PL and stay a England squad member only..

England..needs Lallana type of player,instead of both Lingaard,Deli.Ali. If Welbeck came back injury free....He and Kane would lead the line.

Sterling on the wing.....Another season gone,no real midfield general,no youngish 2nd striker.

The Ox,if no English virus of long injuries,could,maybe,perhaps could fill either one of those 2 needs...Somehow I feel we are missing 2 bright

Stars...Madison is not the solution,although could be one for the future

[UniFox21]

26 minutes ago, fuchsntf said:

From the 4 pts

 

IMO.....1,2....comms si comms ca

 

3 + 4...That's now I see it.  Rashford exploded on the scene....but he still needs more seasons in the PL and stay a England squad member only..

England..needs Lallana type of player,instead of both Lingaard,Deli.Ali. If Welbeck came back injury free....He and Kane would lead the line.

Sterling on the wing.....Another season gone,no real midfield general,no youngish 2nd striker.

The Ox,if no English virus of long injuries,could,maybe,perhaps could fill either one of those 2 needs...Somehow I feel we are missing 2 bright

Stars...Madison is not the solution,although could be one for the future

For me, point 1 is a huge issue for us and is a huge weakness that gets exploited way too often.

Annoyingly Rashford doesn't get anywhere near the game time he needs to develop properly.

Never truly rated Welbeck myself, something just doesn't click with him.

Sterling isn't direct or strong enough to play as a 10 and is better at the wing, which we don't use. 

We need someone to link the midfield to the front 2, one to stay further back and a box to box. We just haven't found that trio yet

 

[Corky]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45462168

 

Apparently, last night was a brutal reality check. Really? Most of us knew that despite the progress made at the World Cup, we didn't suddenly become one of the top nations. Just like Germany are not now serial failures because of the first group stage exit.

 

Spain are a better team. They should beat us.

 

[BlueSi13]

Three competitive defeats in a row.  

 

Not a single competitive win against a top nation for 16 years (even that was with a dodgy penalty).  You'd have thought we'd at least shithouse a win at some point but alas not.

 

We are an absolute mile away from the big boys.  

 

If Southgate continues to stick with his current tactics he won't last until 2019 IMO.  Kane, Ali, Rashford, Lingard and Sterling (when fit) weren't the answer in the World Cup, and they won't be anytime in the future.

[Dan]

31 minutes ago, Corky said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45462168

 

Apparently, last night was a brutal reality check. Really? Most of us that despite the progress made at the World Cup, we didn't suddenly become one of the top nations. Just like Germany are not now serial failures because of the first group stage exit.

 

Spain are a better team. They should beat us.

 

I think it was a bit of a reality check. You've got plenty who were saying after the World Cup we'd go one better and win the Euros.

 

The general consensus that we had a favourable draw in the World Cup is hard to really argue against. I expect we'll probably finish bottom of this group.

[fuchsntf]

31 minutes ago, BlueSi13 said:

Three competitive defeats in a row.  

 

Not a single competitive win against a top nation for 16 years (even that was with a dodgy penalty).  You'd have thought we'd at least shithouse a win at some point but alas not.

 

We are an absolute mile away from the big boys.  

 

If Southgate continues to stick with his current tactics he won't last until 2019 IMO.  Kane, Ali, Rashford, Lingard and Sterling (when fit) weren't the answer in the World Cup, and they won't be anytime in the future.

I do believe Southgate can be the right man,but if he calls into that same trap of consistently picking media favourites,and has no selection nous,as

his predicessors,then England are in for another 60 miserable years...Unlike some I don't expect ,we Must  be the best in the world,but this

English soft touch,has to come to a stop!!!!   

N

[fuchsntf]

46 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

For me, point 1 is a huge issue for us and is a huge weakness that gets exploited way too often.

Annoyingly Rashford doesn't get anywhere near the game time he needs to develop properly.

Never truly rated Welbeck myself, something just doesn't click with him.

Sterling isn't direct or strong enough to play as a 10 and is better at the wing, which we don't use. 

We need someone to link the midfield to the front 2, one to stay further back and a box to box. We just haven't found that trio yet

 

Yes I  this sense  agree,but it's something that can be sorted,with not too much coaching change..the others belong IMO to stubborn....blindness

Welbeck ,to me when fit,like in the past,gets us on the front foot quickly,and makes openings for himself and others,Kane. Doesnt

 

[Finnegan]

Kane accusing the ref of bottling with no sense of irony

[Leicesterpool]

I don't how you can justify picking more goalkeepers than strikers! 

[Langston]

6 hours ago, davieG said:

Aren't the best PL creative midfielders none English?

 

Academies don't seem to be producing any  the emphasis there seems to be on speed and power.

 

You could argue that Foden, Maddison and maybe Dowell (even Barnes if he continues his current form for a sustained period) all have an emphasis on technique and touch over speed. Emile Smith Rowe at Arsenal looked a real gem in pre season too.

 

More a forward but Sancho looks to have a mix of quickness and technique that'll see him in the seniors before long if he can get playing consistently for Dortmund.

 

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It's also a huge shame Everton are completely wasting Ade Lookman when he wanted to go to Leipzig after a good loan there last year. He'd surely get a go given the dearth of striking options we have if he was back playing and scoring regularly in the Bundesliga.

 

I think we've got a hugely promising generation coming through that are well deserving of the hype and buzz they're getting, it's whether or not we can look after them that's the key. So many wasted talents in English football.

[davieG]

38 minutes ago, Langston said:

 

You could argue that Foden, Maddison and maybe Dowell (even Barnes if he continues his current form for a sustained period) all have an emphasis on technique and touch over speed. Emile Smith Rowe at Arsenal looked a real gem in pre season too.

 

More a forward but Sancho looks to have a mix of quickness and technique that'll see him in the seniors before long if he can get playing consistently for Dortmund.

 

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It's also a huge shame Everton are completely wasting Ade Lookman when he wanted to go to Leipzig after a good loan there last year. He'd surely get a go given the dearth of striking options we have if he was back playing and scoring regularly in the Bundesliga.

 

I think we've got a hugely promising generation coming through that are well deserving of the hype and buzz they're getting, it's whether or not we can look after them that's the key. So many wasted talents in English football.

Sure there's a few potentials although Maddison didn't come through the academies as such but not enough for me. We need more actual ball skills all over the pitch and I don't think sufficient emphasis seems to be pt on this. If your're small and skilful you're still going to find it difficult to be accepted.

[spacemunky]

Kane is going to have the exact same career for country as Rooney isn't he? Score a sh*t tonne of goals in meaningless friendlies and qualifiers and the easy group matches. When it counts though,  against the big teams, he won't show up.

[The Year Of The Fox]

4 minutes ago, spacemunky said:

Kane is going to have the exact same career for country as Rooney isn't he? Score a sh*t tonne of goals in meaningless friendlies and qualifiers and the easy group matches. When it counts though,  against the big teams, he won't show up.

Yep.

and when he gets slagged off people will point at his golden boot like they did Rooney’s scoring record ?

[Leicesterpool]

4 hours ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

Yep.

and when he gets slagged off people will point at his golden boot like they did Rooney’s scoring record ?

Don't think giving him the captaincy is going to help either, we need a strong character whose capable of having a go at players at the moment, I just don't see any leaders.

Edited 9 September 2018 by Leicesterpool