Attywolf Posted 20 December 2018 Share Posted 20 December 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, elvisfmcfly said: I know why we bought them mate ffs! What I’m saying is 45 million would be better spent on players who are deemed ready for the first team now not as back up but to literally push out first teamers and improve the first team not the squad the first team first team One is pushing the first team players. But you want new players in the first team but fans complain when Simpson, vardy, Evans, Fuchs or albrighton don't play. Plus it's called future planning you know spending less on potential stars and training them instead of spending more on players that might work but could be a flop for us when their at their peak Edited 20 December 2018 by Attywolf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunyip Posted 20 December 2018 Share Posted 20 December 2018 15 hours ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said: Yeah, and what? Well yeah you are in the wrong then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Babylon Posted 20 December 2018 Popular Post Share Posted 20 December 2018 1 hour ago, elvisfmcfly said: I know why we bought them mate ffs! What I’m saying is 45 million would be better spent on players who are deemed ready for the first team now not as back up but to literally push out first teamers and improve the first team not the squad the first team first team The issue with the CB's wasn't a massive one this summer, if all the shit with Maguire hadn't happened we wouldn't have even bought one of them. Benkovic pretty much said that himself when he said that he knew he be going on loan when Maguire didn't leave. The issue with CB's WAS a massive issue looming on the horizon though. People slag off the club for not forward planning, but what they've done is very sensible. We bought them this summer so that we could bed them in and give them game time ready for next season. When, quite feasibly we could have only have Evans on the books. Wes and Benny are out of contract and Maguire is likely to go. Imagine trying to bed in two, three maybe four new centre backs at the same time. Now that would have been something worth moaning about. The clubs MO is now investing in young talented players. This doesn't just come from Puel, that comes form the top. Unless you are a top team like Man City or Barca, that generally means they might not be first team ready straight the way, because you're buying them form lower divisions or other countries meaning there are no guarantees. We can't go out and buy a youngster ripping it up in the premier league, who are obviously already ready for the premier league for the budget we have. 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxinsocks Posted 20 December 2018 Share Posted 20 December 2018 11 hours ago, UniFox21 said: Striker wasn't our main issue, with the ones above taking priority. A striker will probably come next. A stiker was always our issue... with 31yearokd vardy doing his best... and a clearly poor nacho. It was well discussed on ft with many useful suggestions. You are right to say probably. .. coz none of us has confidence in what puel is likely to do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoareyaaa Posted 20 December 2018 Share Posted 20 December 2018 10 hours ago, cropstonfox said: Would have got Burton and then final against top 4 team so guaranteed europa league place. Nice one Claude. FA Cup would be better to win anyway, you can't fault him for the 90 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted 20 December 2018 Share Posted 20 December 2018 9 hours ago, lcfceaves said: It’s the managers fault we start slow every single week and turn out utter dross for large parts. And did we practice penalties in training for this eventuality? Didn’t look like it... manager at fault as much as the players Right, so ignore that Fuchs, Maddison and Soyuncu have all already scored penalties this season, they missed (as can happen) so training must be a doss around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sublime_Coatsworth Posted 20 December 2018 Share Posted 20 December 2018 6 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said: FA Cup would be better to win anyway, you can't fault him for the 90 minutes. But he can be blamed for selecting a weakened team in what was our only realistic chance of silverware/Europe. Again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoareyaaa Posted 20 December 2018 Share Posted 20 December 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Sublime_Coatsworth said: But he can be blamed for selecting a weakened team in what was our only realistic chance of silverware/Europe. Again. its was hardly weakened, the team that played at Palace didn't exactly cover there self in glory, I think the team is fairly balanced no matter who plays playing 1 forward isn't helping the situation though and that is down the to the manager to an extent. Edited 20 December 2018 by whoareyaaa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlloverthefloorYesNdidi Posted 20 December 2018 Share Posted 20 December 2018 1 hour ago, Bunyip said: Well yeah you are in the wrong then. If you have an opinion that doesnt side with the majority then you are definitely wrong? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolhandfox Posted 20 December 2018 Share Posted 20 December 2018 40 minutes ago, Sublime_Coatsworth said: But he can be blamed for selecting a weakened team in what was our only realistic chance of silverware/Europe. Again. I agree with you, however to be subjective, no one on here know what objectives Puel was set by the owner on appointment or at the start of the season. For all we know they may have said the priority is building for the future and fight in the upper reaches of the league. Their lowest priority could have been the League cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunyip Posted 20 December 2018 Share Posted 20 December 2018 5 minutes ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said: If you have an opinion that doesnt side with the majority then you are definitely wrong? Yeah, it's call democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark - Reading Posted 20 December 2018 Share Posted 20 December 2018 33 minutes ago, Sublime_Coatsworth said: But he can be blamed for selecting a weakened team in what was our only realistic chance of silverware/Europe. Again. DeJa Vous! Bristol City and a poor Arsenal side last season and now Burton because again he rests his team for that all important mid table scrap! Sack him now, he will be gone in the summer so allow someone new to work with the players between now and the end of the season to give it a good go next year. Burnley Bournemouth West Ham Brighton Everton Fulham and Palace all teams we have failed to beat or even compete with for large period of the game. His style does not work against poor/average sides and he will not have a plan B for it add those lost points above and we sit 3rd! It bores me every week watching this crap and I travel 120 miles each way for the privilege everyone asks why I do it and it’s getting harder believe me but it’s a drug you hope the next fix will make it better Merry Christmas Everyone and have a great new year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlloverthefloorYesNdidi Posted 20 December 2018 Share Posted 20 December 2018 3 minutes ago, Bunyip said: Yeah, it's call democracy. LCFC is a corporate entity Also a family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanan96 Posted 20 December 2018 Share Posted 20 December 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, elvisfmcfly said: I know why we bought them mate ffs! What I’m saying is 45 million would be better spent on players who are deemed ready for the first team now not as back up but to literally push out first teamers and improve the first team not the squad the first team first team That's what we have done for the past 2 years. We brought 29 years old slimani, Iborra, 28 years old Silva, 24 years old musa, maguire, failed bid for 27 years old sigurdson, also some more like Benalouane, wague,zieler etc with only few youth like amartey, kaputska, nacho, and ndidi. The first 6 names are mean to be first team asap, take big chunk in our transfer fees and wage bills, while the younger didn't have a real plan to integrate except nacho. Amartey it's rather a force for our cm problem. Result? Our long term problem in rb, cb, lb, amc aren't solved while money is running old already. And now slimani, iborra, and silva is reaching their 30s. We can continue buying such player, and we will end up with bunch of 30 years old both from title wins squad and new signing with still old problem. It's easy for you to say hey spend money for first teamers, we need change! New cm! New cb! They didn't come for peanuts. The likes Kante vardy mahrez didn't come so often like once a year! Edited 20 December 2018 by Hanan96 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sublime_Coatsworth Posted 20 December 2018 Share Posted 20 December 2018 (edited) 21 minutes ago, coolhandfox said: I agree with you, however to be subjective, no one on here know what objectives Puel was set by the owner on appointment or at the start of the season. For all we know they may have said the priority is building for the future and fight in the upper reaches of the league. Their lowest priority could have been the League cup. But that’s not really being subjective as us 'not knowing his objectives' could be used to counter just about any decision the manager makes. Bottom line is we’ve now lost the only real chance of any silverwear this year and a Euro spot. However you look at the club from a strategic perspective, that was poor decisioning. Edited 20 December 2018 by Sublime_Coatsworth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolhandfox Posted 20 December 2018 Share Posted 20 December 2018 For me most of the fan base doesn't accept our squad was in a mess, lacking quality and aging. Yes I know, the majority of the squad helped us win the league, however that was over two season ago. However they have aged and are on nice big contacts, I fairly sure one of Puel objectives set by the owners was to reduce the age and cost of the squad. You only have to look at the ages of the majority of our signing, mostly early twenties, compared to the previous years of bring in players in their late twenties. The squad need major work, players need to be move on and have been. Musa, Slim, Ulloa, and will followed by King, Simpson, Benny, Silva, Oki. The club prioritized all of the problem areas, replacing aging CB, RB and finding a number 10 that we have need for years. I personally don't think there was enough in the pot to cover attacking areas and this will be done in the summer. As for strikers, were are a little like spurs with Harry Kane, if he's fit, he plays, the same goes for Vardy. We have had a strike force of Ulloa, Slim, Musa, all sitting on there arses counting money for 2 and a bit seasons watching Vardy. Unfortunately the is the one season Vardy had struggled with fitness. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolhandfox Posted 20 December 2018 Share Posted 20 December 2018 13 minutes ago, Sublime_Coatsworth said: But that’s not really being subjective as us 'not knowing his objectives' could be used to counter just about any decision the manager makes. Bottom line is we’ve now lost the only real chance of any silverwear this year and a Euro spot. However you look at the club from a strategic perspective, that was poor decisioning. I'm just saying it not black and white as people make out, sometimes shot term pain can lead to long term gain. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siraaj_lcfc Posted 20 December 2018 Share Posted 20 December 2018 ITS CHRISTMAS, LEAVE CLAUDE POOEL ALONE!!!!!!!!! We continue in the new year, with intensitee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunyip Posted 20 December 2018 Share Posted 20 December 2018 39 minutes ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said: LCFC is a corporate entity Also a family Fair enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvisfmcfly Posted 20 December 2018 Share Posted 20 December 2018 42 minutes ago, Hanan96 said: That's what we have done for the past 2 years. We brought 29 years old slimani, Iborra, 28 years old Silva, 24 years old musa, maguire, failed bid for 27 years old sigurdson, also some more like Benalouane, wague,zieler etc with only few youth like amartey, kaputska, nacho, and ndidi. The first 6 names are mean to be first team asap, take big chunk in our transfer fees and wage bills, while the younger didn't have a real plan to integrate except nacho. Amartey it's rather a force for our cm problem. Result? Our long term problem in rb, cb, lb, amc aren't solved while money is running old already. And now slimani, iborra, and silva is reaching their 30s. We can continue buying such player, and we will end up with bunch of 30 years old both from title wins squad and new signing with still old problem. It's easy for you to say hey spend money for first teamers, we need change! New cm! New cb! They didn't come for peanuts. The likes Kante vardy mahrez didn't come so often like once a year! Yes obviously there as been a problem with recruitment, but age doesn't make a transfer any less risky they could still be crap. 45 Million is a huge slice of budget for them not to be involved now in the first team, thats all im saying if people can stop stating the obvious back at me it would be great,TIA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Attywolf Posted 20 December 2018 Share Posted 20 December 2018 30 minutes ago, elvisfmcfly said: Yes obviously there as been a problem with recruitment, but age doesn't make a transfer any less risky they could still be crap. 45 Million is a huge slice of budget for them not to be involved now in the first team, thats all im saying if people can stop stating the obvious back at me it would be great,TIA! I get what you mean. But if we want a spot in Europe it's the sort of money that needs to be spent. Also though it's still risky to buy younger players it means that they hold their value better so that if it does go wrong we can sell them and not lose as much( like Iheanacho that can still be sold for around 25 million. So we can still break even with him) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanan96 Posted 20 December 2018 Share Posted 20 December 2018 38 minutes ago, elvisfmcfly said: Yes obviously there as been a problem with recruitment, but age doesn't make a transfer any less risky they could still be crap. 45 Million is a huge slice of budget for them not to be involved now in the first team, thats all im saying if people can stop stating the obvious back at me it would be great,TIA! Alright. Who should be brought for 45 mills? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siraaj_lcfc Posted 20 December 2018 Share Posted 20 December 2018 8 minutes ago, Hanan96 said: Alright. Who should be brought for 45 mills? Danny Drinkwatahh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvisfmcfly Posted 20 December 2018 Share Posted 20 December 2018 9 minutes ago, Attywolf said: I get what you mean. But if we want a spot in Europe it's the sort of money that needs to be spent. Also though it's still risky to buy younger players it means that they hold their value better so that if it does go wrong we can sell them and not lose as much( like Iheanacho that can still be sold for around 25 million. So we can still break even with him) I don’t know what to suggest now if you are serious about getting 25 million back for iheanacho! Crazy talk! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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