defence of Puel by John Collins

[Vardinio'sCat]

 

I'd say that it is quite a stout defence myself. See what you think...

 

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/claude-puel-getting-biggest-raw-2455465

 

[MPH]

“But in a passionate rebuttal, Collins, who worked with Puel at Monaco in the mid-1990s, argued the positives of Puel’s reign considerably outweigh the negatives.”

 

 

 

 

he’s not the one sitting there and watching the  god awful games week after week is he?

 

[Dahnsouff]

That is a decent defence of Puel to be fair. Wolves game was never boring, bloody stupid, but not boring, but yeah, plenty have been.

Guess it’s nice to hear the other side from someone who actually knows him.

[Nick]

Was Collins a CDM too?

[Dahnsouff]

Left mid

[WigstonWanderer]

1 hour ago, Dahnsouff said:

That is a decent defence of Puel to be fair. Wolves game was never boring, bloody stupid, but not boring, but yeah, plenty have been.

Guess it’s nice to hear the other side from someone who actually knows him.

Yes I’d say the Wolves match was much different in many ways to the previous dross. Exciting match to watch.

[SheppyFox]

Away with your correct assessments! 

[Bert]

We regularly concede early John

 

“If they were leggy or poorly prepared, they’d be losing a goal early in the game and then they’d be losing more goals as the game wore on,” said Collins. 

 

We’ve also won one game in our last four. When was the last time we had a really good decent run of form?

 

Be interesting if in 3 games time when we are potentially 12th on the end of a 6 game losing run for all these people that watch week in week out (!) to be saying “they should be grateful, look where they were last season” Er well we are currently in a position worse than we finished last season.  

 

Granted he makes a few fair points but some of what he says is very debatable. 

[Ric Flair]

6 minutes ago, Bert said:

We regularly concede early John

 

“If they were leggy or poorly prepared, they’d be losing a goal early in the game and then they’d be losing more goals as the game wore on,” said Collins. 

 

We’ve also won one game in our last four. When was the last time we had a really good decent run of form?

 

Be interesting if in 3 games time when we are potentially 12th on the end of a 6 game losing run for all these people that watch week in week out (!) to be saying “they should be grateful, look where they were last season” Er well we are currently in a position worse than we finished last season.  

 

Granted he makes a few fair points but some of what he says is very debatable. 

Yeah the sentiment is right from Collins but as per usual this is coming from an outsider who hasn't been exposed to what are subjected to week in, week out. On paper and from afar, Puel is doing fairly well. That's why I often say, if we didnt have to play football and it was the international break all the while or pre-season, then Puel would be sound here. It's the only time I can enjoy being a fan under his reign.

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

12 minutes ago, Bert said:

We regularly concede early John

 

“If they were leggy or poorly prepared, they’d be losing a goal early in the game and then they’d be losing more goals as the game wore on,” said Collins. 

 

We’ve also won one game in our last four. When was the last time we had a really good decent run of form?

 

Be interesting if in 3 games time when we are potentially 12th on the end of a 6 game losing run for all these people that watch week in week out (!) to be saying “they should be grateful, look where they were last season” Er well we are currently in a position worse than we finished last season.  

 

Granted he makes a few fair points but some of what he says is very debatable. 

When was it, November to December ish when we went something like 10 games unbeaten?

[blaaklint]

15 minutes ago, Bert said:

We regularly concede early John

 

“If they were leggy or poorly prepared, they’d be losing a goal early in the game and then they’d be losing more goals as the game wore on,” said Collins. 

 

We’ve also won one game in our last four. When was the last time we had a really good decent run of form?

 

Be interesting if in 3 games time when we are potentially 12th on the end of a 6 game losing run for all these people that watch week in week out (!) to be saying “they should be grateful, look where they were last season” Er well we are currently in a position worse than we finished last season.  

 

Granted he makes a few fair points but some of what he says is very debatable. 

I think the point he’s making is that, if training is too much, we’d expect to concede more later on as well. The tiredness would build up through the match, whereas (for the most part) we just seem to concede early rather than through the whole match - our record in second halves is one of the best in the league I believe.

[Ric Flair]

9 minutes ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said:

When was it, November to December ish when we went something like 10 games unbeaten?

Most of those were draws though against very mediocre teams at home.

[Dahnsouff]

12 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Yeah the sentiment is right from Collins but as per usual this is coming from an outsider who hasn't been exposed to what are subjected to week in, week out. On paper and from afar, Puel is doing fairly well. That's why I often say, if we didnt have to play football and it was the international break all the while or pre-season, then Puel would be sound here. It's the only time I can enjoy being a fan under his reign.

The trouble is that those at the coal face are often not best placed to make an unemotinal and holistic view about the situation pecisely because they are SO close to the realities.

(Wood/Trees scenario)

I do agree that it is not currently going as anyone would like, yet we are clinging onto the top 10 with 3 horror games to come. but you know, never say never with this lot. 

Also think changing manager now would be a negative for no other reason than its a change for emotional reasons rather that than statistical ones (Boring i know)

Nope, I am not a Puelinner.

[Bob Weasel Fox]

Ex team mate sticks up for Puel shocker 

 

I still love him

 

 

[dmayne7]

5 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Most of those were draws though against very mediocre teams at home.

Was just about to say pretty much this.

[ozleicester]

For the Puel "outers"... is there anything he could do that would change your mind... if by some freak event we finished 6th, would you keep him?

[Mark]

Stopped reading at sitting ninth in the league like it automatically makes everything ok ?

[Vacamion]

 

A propos of nothing much, John Collins famously winked at the camera during the national anthem before an appearance for Scotland.

 

Also, whenever he was mentioned by Scottish commentators:

 

 

[SpacedX]

16 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

The trouble is that those at the coal face

 

16 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Nope, I am not a Puelinner.

A Puel Miner perhaps?

[The Doctor]

44 minutes ago, Bert said:

We regularly concede early John

 

“If they were leggy or poorly prepared, they’d be losing a goal early in the game and then they’d be losing more goals as the game wore on,” said Collins. 

But then we don't lose more goals as the game goes on, which is what he clearly says. If you break it down to 15 minute intervals, our conceded record is:

 

First half

0-15 - 9

16-30 - 2

31-45 - 8

 

2nd half

45-60 - 2

61-75 - 3

76-90 - 5

 

We don't tend to concede as the game goes on, we've conceded over 30% of our goals in the first 15 minutes, and only one more in the entirety of the second halves. He's right there - it's not a lack of fitness, that shows more as games go on.

[Ric Flair]

18 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

But then we don't lose more goals as the game goes on, which is what he clearly says. If you break it down to 15 minute intervals, our conceded record is:

 

First half

0-15 - 9

16-30 - 2

31-45 - 8

 

2nd half

45-60 - 2

61-75 - 3

76-90 - 5

 

We don't tend to concede as the game goes on, we've conceded over 30% of our goals in the first 15 minutes, and only one more in the entirety of the second halves. He's right there - it's not a lack of fitness, that shows more as games go on.

We've lost to two last minute goals recently though and against Newport was late on. Whilst this might not have been consistent throughout the season, it's starting to happen and couple that with how we love to start poorly, John should probably shut up the sweaty.

[Grebfromgrebland]

But but we need to take back control and go back to the days of the empire, things were good then I saw a movie about it.

[Arriba Los Zorros]

Funny cos this is what outsiders said when he was sacked at Southampton - 'be grateful, you finished top half and got to a Cup final'

 

Pay good money to watch his teams week after week and that quickly becomes irrelevant!!!

[The Doctor]

15 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

We've lost to two last minute goals recently though and against Newport was late on. Whilst this might not have been consistent throughout the season, it's starting to happen and couple that with how we love to start poorly, John should probably shut up the sweaty.

But that's not true either - we've conceded a total of 4 second half league goals since October, if anything the trend has been towards conceding less then since Arsenal away - after that game, 6 of the 15 we'd conceded came in the second half, 3 in the last 15 minutes - so 20% of all goals conceded were late on, while since we've conceded 4 of 14 in the second half, 2 coming in the last 15 minutes or 14% of the goals in that period coming late on. Your post is just recency bias, not actually the case

[Ric Flair]

1 minute ago, The Doctor said:

But that's not true either - we've conceded a total of 4 second half league goals since October, if anything the trend has been towards conceding less then since Arsenal away - after that game, 6 of the 15 we'd conceded came in the second half, 3 in the last 15 minutes - so 20% of all goals conceded were late on, while since we've conceded 4 in 14 in the second half, 2 coming in the last 15 minutes or 14% of the goals in that period coming late on. Your post is just recency bias, not actually the case

Ok so if we lose to another 3 last minute goals in the next 4 games, at what point would it become a problem? When the stats dating back to October swing in the favour of 2nd half goals being conceded?

 

I get your defence here but Collins article was completely let down when he made these two judgements that it's not as if we concede early goals or late goals and yet the former has been a huge problem most of the season and the latter has actually cost us points or cup games 3 times in the last month alone!!!

 

I was enjoying his article until then as it was one of the more reasoned articles I'd read in a while, but it just ended with him not really getting what our problems are with Puel, which seems to be common amongst those in defence of him.