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Nick

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27 minutes ago, Buce said:

 

Mr Fry has been busy - @Carl the Llama posted a video just like this one, further up the page...

Ah Buce, that’s where you are going wrong. You’re actually reading and replying to other people in this thread. That would imply that it was a level platform and people would all be doing the same and not just replying with answers to questions they assume your agenda is about.

 

That can waste a fair amount of time.

 

 

Oops sorry.

 

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Buce

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1 minute ago, Swan Lesta said:

Ah Buce, that’s where you are going wrong. You’re actually reading and replying to other people in this thread. That would imply that it was a level platform and people would all be doing the same and not just replying with answers to questions they assume your agenda is about.

 

That can waste a fair amount of time.

 

 

Oops sorry.

 

:ph34r:

 

I haven't got the faintest idea what this post is about, Swanny.

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35 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said:

Why do you always have to resort to violence Buce, can't we solve whose got the balls, by just getting our balls out?

At this juncture I feel I should refer you all to my recent posts in the new kits thread.

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1 hour ago, Dr The Singh said:

Why do you always have to resort to violence Buce, can't we solve whose got the balls, by just getting our balls out?

 

I can't help it, Singhy- it's a medical condition.

 

I'm allergic to dickheads...

 

50 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said:

Sorry Buce. ?

 

:D

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Alf Bentley

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Watched Marr and it seems as if every Tory leadership candidate now has their own personal Brexit solution. As there are now 13 candidates, that's quite a lot of different solutions.....

 

The latest, as I understand it.....

- Leadsom: A "managed No Deal" in October - no renegotiation, no WA, give EU citizens right to say & hope EU reciprocate (I guess they would?), try to do a few side deals, presumably refuse to pay £39bn & call EU's bluff over hard border?

- Javid: Renegotiate WA to get rid of backstop, but leave in October anyway - but "there can be a digitized border" within 2 years & we, not the Irish could pay for it

- Gove: Will extend deadline to end of 2020, to negotiate if possible or to prepare for No Deal, if not, I presume?

- Gyimah: Support a second referendum

 

I presume Gyimah is just standing so that the case for a referendum is put (no other candidate supporting it, I don't think?), as he stands zero chance on that platform. Trying to maximise support for referendum as a bargaining chip later on?

 

Gove's stance is interesting - and more credible than the "Leave in October, with or without a deal" advocated by Boris, Raab & McVey. They are effectively advocating immediate No Deal - and running the clear risk of an autumn general election with Brexit undone, possibly destroying the Conservative Party & handing 10 Downing Street to Corbyn or even Farage. Gove would presumably request another extension, seek to renegotiate with the new Commission after October, with No Deal on the backburner for December 2020, if necessary. There are still risks there: Will the EU definitely agree an extension? Would he just risk public mayhem/economic damage & a new cliff-edge, if the WA can't be renegotiated? Would he then proceed with a (slightly better prepared) No Deal in Dec. 2020 or would Parliament stop him....or would he hope to call and win an election in the interim?

 

Javid's proposals lack any credibility. If the EU were to be willing to renegotiate the WA, it isn't going to happen before October, surely? And even if you believe that a digitized border within 2 years is possible (few experts seem to believe that), what happens in Ireland in the 2 years from October? No Deal, no border arrangement & a massive EU-UK bust-up & risk of problems in Ireland?

 

Likewise Leadsom: The idea of giving EU citizens the right to stay might well be reciprocated by the EU, but would much else work? Barnier has said there'll be no side deals. While that cannot be taken at face value, nor can I imagine the EU agreeing much - except the odd thing that benefited them - if we were ripping up the WA, leaving with No Deal, refusing to pay the divorce settlement & making no arrangement for the Irish border......& any idea of a FTA would be right out of the window, surely?

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Possibly important news here: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/02/chief-of-angela-merkel-junior-coalition-partner-resigns-andreas-nahles

 

The leader of the SPD (centre-left), Merkel's coalition partners, has resigned - after the SPD (& Merkel's CDU) were given a mauling by the Greens in the European elections.

 

Could collapse the German government and put Merkel out of power earlier than expected, maybe even trigger a general election in Germany - with one poll now putting the Greens top nationally......what impact does that have on Brexit? :dunno:

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48 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

 

 

17 hours ago, bovril said:


You have to hand it to Galloway, every day he finds new ways to be an utter ****. 

 

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US wants access to NHS in post-Brexit deal, says Trump ally

Before president’s visit, Woody Johnson says every area of UK economy up for discussion

 

The US will want business access to the NHS in any post-Brexit trade deal, the US ambassador has said, prompting anger from politicians and campaigners before Donald Trump’s state visit to the UK this week.

Woody Johnson, who is a close friend of the US president, said every area of the UK economy would be up for discussion when the two sides brokered a trade deal.

Asked if the NHS was likely to form part of trade negotiations, Johnson told the BBC’s Andrew Marr Show: “I think the entire economy, in a trade deal, all things that are traded would be on the table.” Asked if that specifically meant healthcare, he said: “I would think so.”

His comments were met with alarm from opposition politicians. The shadow health secretary, Jonathan Ashworth, said the comments were deeply concerning.

“The ambassador’s comments are terrifying and show that a real consequence of a no-deal Brexit, followed by a trade deal with Trump, will be our NHS up for sale. This absolutely should not be on the table,” he said. “Nigel Farage and the Tories want to rip apart our publicly funded and provided NHS. Labour will always defend it.”

 

Ed Davey, a candidate for the Lib Dem leadership, said the comments showed the NHS would be “up for sale under the Conservatives” and Brexit would leave the UK in a “far weaker negotiating position against Trump and his America First agenda”.

Johnson was also pressed on whether the US would seek a loosening of agricultural standards, including the importation of chlorinated chicken. He said the products should be offered to British consumers who could decide whether to buy them.

“There will have to be some deal where you give the British people a choice,” he said. “American products can come over and be allowed to come over. Agriculture is extremely important to the president and to any American president … but if the British people like it, they can buy it; if they don’t like it, they don’t have to buy it.”

Johnson said complaints about US food standards were ill-informed. “It’s completely safe. They can have a choice, we have five million Brits coming over every year and I’ve never heard a complaint about anything to do with chicken,” he said.

Trump, who gave several interviews to UK papers before his state visit on Monday, has suggested the UK should send the Brexit party leader, Nigel Farage, to negotiate its departure from the EU and has said he hopes Boris Johnson becomes Conservative leader.

Woody Johnson said on Sunday that Trump’s support for Boris Johnson stemmed from their personal relationship. “He’s known Boris Johnson for a long time and what he’s commenting on is his knowledge of Boris Johnson as a person,” the ambassador said.

On Sunday Trump denied calling the Duchess of Sussex “nasty” for having previously criticised him. In a tweet after the Sun made the claim, he said he had “never called Meghan Markle nasty” and claimed the “Fake News Media” had invented his remarks.

The Sun posted a recording of the original interview to prove that its reporting was accurate.

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Brexit Party MEP Ann Widdecombe sparks fury with gay science comments

Ann Widdecombe has come under fire after she suggested science could "produce an answer" to being gay.

In an interview on Sky News, the newly elected Brexit Party MEP was asked about previous comments she made concerning gay conversion therapy.

She said she had "pointed out that there was a time when it was thought impossible for men to become women".

Labour MP Luke Pollard said Ms Widdecombe was "continuing her sick anti-LGBT campaign".

'Misrepresented quite often'

During the interview on the Ridge on Sunday programme, Ms Widdecombe, 71, was asked whether people would want to share a platform with her due to her views on homosexuality.

After referencing the scientific progress in gender reassignment, she added: "The fact that we now think it is quite impossible for people to switch sexuality doesn't mean that science may not yet produce an answer at some stage."

Pushed by the presenter on whether she thought it was a real possibility, Ms Widdecombe replied: "I don't know any more than people once knew whether it was possible for men to become women."

The MEP said she had "never claimed that such science already exists" to change someone's sexuality.

But she added: "If you simply rule out the possibility of it, you are denying people who are confused about their sexuality or discontented with it, the chances that you do give to people who want to change gender."

Her comments drew criticism on Twitter, including from Tory MP Justine Greening.

 

Mr Pollard wrote that he was "utterly ashamed to be represented by this vile woman.

"Being gay isn't a disease to be cured. Ann Widdecombe is continuing her sick anti-LGBT campaign."

Former Tory MP Nick Boles - who now sits as an independent - accused Ms Widdecombe of "poisonous bigotry", while comedian Adi Ray said the comments were "deplorable".

Mayor of London Sadiq Khan said she was "peddling homophobic nonsense", adding: "She may have changed her party, but she hasn't changed her stripes."

Analysis

Ben Hunte, BBC News LGBT correspondent

Ann Widdecombe's comments have shocked the LGBT community.

Last summer, the government launched an LGBT Action Plan which banned so-called conversion therapy.

The report stated, in efforts to become heterosexual, therapies "can range from pseudo-psychological treatments to, in extreme cases, surgical interventions and 'corrective' rape".

Ms Widdecombe's stance on gay conversion therapy comes at a time of great celebration for LGBT people globally.

The start of June saw the beginning of LGBT Pride Month - a celebration recognised internationally since 1970.

Pride events are under way across the UK, with many cities getting on board to recognise how far we have come in terms of visibility and representation of those of different sexualities and genders.

It will be deeply disappointing to the UK's LGBT community that elected representatives, and people with large public platforms not only hold these views but actively promote them.

 
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6 hours ago, Kopfkino said:

Mentioning the US in the same sentence as the NHS is a super faux outrage trigger. Why is US firms being able to bid to provide services any different to EU firms as present? 

...because of the general difference in attitude both places have towards patient care outcomes v profitability, as based on statistics on those health outcomes across the board in the US v most EU nations?

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