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[Guest MattP]

2 hours ago, String fellow said:

Who'll be the first Leicestershire MP to join TIG? My money is on Nicky Morgan. Will TIG weld the centre ground in Westminster? Well, maybe their first move should be to decide on a more catchy name. I suggest an anagram of Con + Lab. 

Andrew Bridgen

 

46 minutes ago, The Guvnor said:

How about being honest and call themselves The Stop Brexit Party because that's what this split is all about. And in a few weeks time they could all become irrelevant anyway.

Absolutely - "The Remainers" - cut the bullshit. They've made a massive error here, the public have already seen this is no "centrist" political party.

[Guest MattP]

This is why I'm not concerned about a rise of UKIP under Batten as well, the absolute state of this.

 

Even leaving aside the eyepatch which is hilarious, I'd hazard a guess any Polish builder could have corrected a few of the grammatical errors on this leaflet.

[Alf Bentley]

13 minutes ago, Mike Oxlong said:

 

#hetoo

 

I applied to join the police and suffered outrageous discrimination.

 

They rejected me just because they saw me driving down the street wearing a ballet dress and beeping my horn with a prominent South African cleric in the passenger seat.

 

#tutu-tutu-toot-toot-too

 

[Guest]

32 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

I applied to join the police and suffered outrageous discrimination.

 

They rejected me just because they saw me driving down the street wearing a ballet dress and beeping my horn with a prominent South African cleric in the passenger seat.

 

#tutu-tutu-toot-toot-too

 

Did Izzet Muzzy write that one for you Alf? We expect better.

[Wymsey]

[Mike Oxlong]

49 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

I applied to join the police and suffered outrageous discrimination.

 

They rejected me just because they saw me driving down the street wearing a ballet dress and beeping my horn with a prominent South African cleric in the passenger seat.

 

#tutu-tutu-toot-toot-too

 

Can I have some of whatever you’re on Alf

Edited 22 February 2019 by Mike Oxlong

[Guest MattP]

2 minutes ago, Wymeswold fox said:

Labour now has 12 seats less than Brown, mental. 

 

Even if the Tories did fall short of a working majority Labour couldn't form a coalition to govern anyway. I'm not sure how Corbyn can seriously go on if he loses 10/12 more.

 

Would any Labour supporter on here be bothered about him going now?

[Heathrow fox]

2 hours ago, MattP said:

Labour now has 12 seats less than Brown, mental. 

 

Even if the Tories did fall short of a working majority Labour couldn't form a coalition to govern anyway. I'm not sure how Corbyn can seriously go on if he loses 10/12 more.

 

Would any Labour supporter on here be bothered about him going now?

McDonnell now going with the 2nd ref line has truly put the final nail in the coffin.I like Corbyn but now the game is over I’m afraid.Hes fought a brave battle against constant attack from all sides.Time for a dignified exit.

 

Personally my vote will then be transferred directly to Farages Brexit party.Who will surely be contesting the euros as we will still be in the EU no doubt.I will also persuade as many people as I can to do like wise.I will certainly never vote for Labour again unless I like the person standing where I live.

 

Labour are in for a massive shock if they go down this people’s vote route.Someone half decent like a Gove would win with a massive Conservative majority by just simply turning up come next GE

[String fellow]

Conflab is good, the f indicating not the high level of female participation in TIG but rather the 'f' adjective. Looking at the bigger picture, with parliament paralysed and fragmenting, maybe the UK should abolish it, forget about elections and referendums, and appoint a benevolent dictator. How about Elizabeth II? Elizabeth I was pretty good at the job!     

[Heathrow fox]

12 hours ago, Beechey said:

It's the fact it's bitter, mean spirited and ill-tempered, and not at all "kinder", nor "gentler". It almost reads like a tantrum.

Genuinely embarrassing that the only thing an elected MP to our highest level of legislature can do is vomit hatred and disdain onto Facebook.

What’s he supposed to say then.Good luck old chap,wish you all the best.Thanks for making our life a little bit harder but all the best anyway xx

[Heathrow fox]

12 hours ago, MattP said:

He's gone totally nuts, he must have tweeted about TIG yesterday more times than the Tories all these years.

 

I wonder why all these guys like Chris Williamson were never so vocal about MP's like Corbyn and McDonnell getting elected to landslide governments on the slate of Tony Blair? For some reason it only seems to bother them now.

Corbyn and McDonnell didn’t leave the party to set up an independent group though did they.

[Lionator]

11 hours ago, MattP said:

Labour now has 12 seats less than Brown, mental. 

 

Even if the Tories did fall short of a working majority Labour couldn't form a coalition to govern anyway. I'm not sure how Corbyn can seriously go on if he loses 10/12 more.

 

Would any Labour supporter on here be bothered about him going now?

I consider myself fairly left wing however...my local Labour branch's facebook page has been an absolute mess this week, you can imagine some of the things being written. It really isn't the gentler, kinder politics which we were being told about a couple of years ago. I was incredibly sad that Luciana Berger left, she's fought tirelessly for improved mental health related rights, a topic that is very close to my heart and I know that she is not a slimy opportunist say like a Chuka Ummuna. Yet the anger directed at her on that facebook page was utterly embarrassing. 

 

As for sweet, old Jezza, I felt inspired after the 2017 election and I thought that we could get somewhere on his manifesto, that young people were being listened to for the first time in my lifetime. I wrote a detailed post on here about taking a risk and seeing how it goes which was well received even by yourself if I remember correctly. Now I'm just so politically disengaged and a lot of it is through Corbyn. For obvious reasons I'm not a Blair fan, however working in mental health, you come to understand this idea that Blair was 'tory-lite' is a complete myth. His social policy was left wing. Health services were well looked after, education was better than it's ever been and now it's all a mess.  I don't want a completely socialist Labour Party that will never get into power. I want a Labour Party that can get into power, which can increase health spending, that can invest in the renewable energy industry, that introduces a fairer social welfare system, a Labour Party that is progressive, inclusive and is fit for the challenges of 2019, a Labour Party that doesn't have baggage. However, it's not going to happen with Jeremy Corbyn at the helm.

[breadandcheese]

13 hours ago, MattP said:

This is why I'm not concerned about a rise of UKIP under Batten as well, the absolute state of this.

 

Even leaving aside the eyepatch which is hilarious, I'd hazard a guess any Polish builder could have corrected a few of the grammatical errors on this leaflet.

UKIP are a threat in that they're trying to copy the rise of nationalist parties in Europe. Whether that has any traction here in the UK, we'll see but a lot will hinge on Labour and Farage's new party.

 

If they start coming out with left wing policies, they could take a lot of Labour votes. Farage's new party would then eat into their vote share.

[Beechey]

9 hours ago, Heathrow fox said:

What’s he supposed to say then.Good luck old chap,wish you all the best.Thanks for making our life a little bit harder but all the best anyway xx

He says nothing, like a normal person.

[Guest MattP]

10 hours ago, Heathrow fox said:

Corbyn and McDonnell didn’t leave the party to set up an independent group though did they.

They didn't, but they did everything possible to destabilise it and vote against policy.

[Trav Le Bleu]

20 hours ago, MattP said:

This is why I'm not concerned about a rise of UKIP under Batten as well, the absolute state of this.

 

Even leaving aside the eyepatch which is hilarious, I'd hazard a guess any Polish builder could have corrected a few of the grammatical errors on this leaflet.

Sad times for Britian.

[urban.spaceman]

21 hours ago, MattP said:

This is why I'm not concerned about a rise of UKIP under Batten as well, the absolute state of this.

 

Even leaving aside the eyepatch which is hilarious, I'd hazard a guess any Polish builder could have corrected a few of the grammatical errors on this leaflet.

What you on about Matt? He’s clearly trying to shape all Brit Ians futures. 

 

As a Brit Ian myself it’s about ****ing time I got some help!

[Heathrow fox]

9 hours ago, Lionator said:

I consider myself fairly left wing however...my local Labour branch's facebook page has been an absolute mess this week, you can imagine some of the things being written. It really isn't the gentler, kinder politics which we were being told about a couple of years ago. I was incredibly sad that Luciana Berger left, she's fought tirelessly for improved mental health related rights, a topic that is very close to my heart and I know that she is not a slimy opportunist say like a Chuka Ummuna. Yet the anger directed at her on that facebook page was utterly embarrassing. 

 

As for sweet, old Jezza, I felt inspired after the 2017 election and I thought that we could get somewhere on his manifesto, that young people were being listened to for the first time in my lifetime. I wrote a detailed post on here about taking a risk and seeing how it goes which was well received even by yourself if I remember correctly. Now I'm just so politically disengaged and a lot of it is through Corbyn. For obvious reasons I'm not a Blair fan, however working in mental health, you come to understand this idea that Blair was 'tory-lite' is a complete myth. His social policy was left wing. Health services were well looked after, education was better than it's ever been and now it's all a mess.  I don't want a completely socialist Labour Party that will never get into power. I want a Labour Party that can get into power, which can increase health spending, that can invest in the renewable energy industry, that introduces a fairer social welfare system, a Labour Party that is progressive, inclusive and is fit for the challenges of 2019, a Labour Party that doesn't have baggage. However, it's not going to happen with Jeremy Corbyn at the helm.

I understand what you are saying,however you only have to go back to 2015.What was the main difference between the two parties?£120 of your energy bill.That was what it boiled down to.

 

So you move on to who can manage the economy better.The Tories win that argument every single time.That was the difference this time.There was an actual choice.

 

The Labour Party you want sounds just like the Labour Party Corbyn wants.Ok you don’t like Corbyn anymore so who else is there.Someone on here suggested Raynor (Lawro I think) good call.She too left wing though and will get jumped on by the media.Also she’s a remainer.I don’t buy into this myth that traditional working class Labour voters are ardent remainers.Not to mention potential working class Labour voters.

 

So we will end up with a Labour Party different to the tories by the width of a credit card.hopelessly trying to win the economic argument.Hoping that their remain stance is a vote winner,and the youth come out in force again.Doing more for the youth was a great Corbyn masterstroke last election.A great secret weapon.Next time though the Tories will be waiting.

[Wymsey]

Tommy Robinson made a speech in front of around 4,000 of his own supporters outside the BBC offices earlier.

Even though he's quite clearly a nutter overall, perhaps he's right in some ways over how the broadcaster operates?

[leicsmac]

4 hours ago, Wymeswold fox said:

Tommy Robinson made a speech in front of around 4,000 of his own supporters outside the BBC offices earlier.

Even though he's quite clearly a nutter overall, perhaps he's right in some ways over how the broadcaster operates?

If the Beeb has issues that require addressing (and it may well be the case), there are much, much better people to deliver that message than him.

 

Like the slime on the surface of the lake near my apartment, for instance.

[leicsmac]

https://www.itv.com/goodmorningbritain/news/alex-skeel-i-was-abused-by-my-girlfriend

 

Domestic violence is a horrendous problem, whoever is suffering it.

[Kopfkino]

34 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

https://www.itv.com/goodmorningbritain/news/alex-skeel-i-was-abused-by-my-girlfriend

 

Domestic violence is a horrendous problem, whoever is suffering it.

 

Abosultely horrible to see what this woman put him through. Despicable what people can do to each otherUnfortunately, I had the displeasure of watching the documentary with someone, who despite writing a successful play about men's mental health, managed to say he should just have 'grown a pair' or 'manned up'. 

[urban.spaceman]

May can’t play pool, and Corbyn has never heard of Ant and Dec. 

 

Have we ever had two leaders more out of touch with the electorate?

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

On ‎24‎/‎02‎/‎2019 at 04:11, Kopfkino said:

 

Abosultely horrible to see what this woman put him through. Despicable what people can do to each otherUnfortunately, I had the displeasure of watching the documentary with someone, who despite writing a successful play about men's mental health, managed to say he should just have 'grown a pair' or 'manned up'. 

I havent seen the details, just had a quick glance.  Sounds like he should have given her a good smack though?

[Alf Bentley]

So, is this roughly where we currently are with Brexit........?

 

- Unsurprisingly, May's pretend/non-existent negotiations with the EU have yielded no meaningful concessions.

- However, this pretence has allowed her to postpone the meaningful vote until 12th March, which was her intention in the first place (run down the clock, then pressure parliament to pass her deal at last minute).

- The Cooper/Letwin amendment might win approval, triggering a vote on 13th March as to whether May should request a short Article 50 extension if her deal has been rejected the previous day. 

- May is pretending to oppose Cooper/Letwin, but would really like it to succeed, as she'd be able to use it as a threat to force the ERG, DUP & Lab Brexiteers to support her deal on 12th March, for fear of losing Brexit altogether.

- If May's deal loses on 12th and the amendment passes on 13th, it's distinctly possible that the EU will reject our application for a short extension as meaningless given lack of any plan, so we could be heading for No Deal with a week to go

- If the EU agrees such an extension, we'd have 3 months to sort it out, as only a longer, more meaningful extension would be possible after that due to complications (EU elections, budget contributions etc.)

- If May's deal is defeated & the request for an extension is made but rejected (or is itself rejected), there will be parliamentary moves to get a 2nd referendum (or possibly an election), which might then succeed

- More likely than a bill for a 2nd referendum, something like the Kyle/Wilson amendment might pass, approving May's deal subject to a 2nd referendum (allying Remainers & Soft Brexiteers to exclude Hard Brexiteers)

- Meanwhile, Corbyn will be under intense party pressure to support a referendum or at least Kyle/Wilson, while May is under intense pressure from both wings of her party

- Oh, and even if May's Deal does pass, future legislation to implement it might not pass and/or might require an Article 50 extension due to all the delays (though the EU would probably agree that extension as an end  would be in sight....apart from the years of negotiations over the future relationship )

 

Meanwhile, I pity any poor sod dependent on import/export, just-in-time supply lines or foreign investment.

 

There really is a strong chance of last-minute chaos or an accidental, unplanned No Deal, isn't there? And a strong likelihood of massive public controversy, whatever the final outcome? What a pitiful and damaging fiasco!