Lee Congerton

[lgfualol]

First day on the job: buys Andy Carroll for 70 million

[chapero82]

18 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Was he a disaster for Chelsea? Arnesen saw enough in him after his stint there to take him to Hamburg with him. Rodgers enough to take him around with him. At Sunderland he was basically director of football and in sole charge, he wouldn't be here. People can be promoted above their station, see Walsh at Everton.

I don’t think he was head scout or director of football at those places, the higher up he’s been the worse he has got

[Crispin LA]

25 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Was he a disaster for Chelsea? Arnesen saw enough in him after his stint there to take him to Hamburg with him. Rodgers enough to take him around with him. At Sunderland he was basically director of football and in sole charge, he wouldn't be here. People can be promoted above their station, see Walsh at Everton.

Chelsea got rid of him.

He went to Hamburg, they got relegated Lee got that sack. 

He went to Sunderland, they got relegated Lee got the sack. 

Went to Celtic, where there was no competition as Rangers were in a mess and bought substandard players which was glossed over as Brendon got Celtic to win the title. But Lee reputation in tatter's. 

Abit of a pattern emerging with Lee. 

[Guest SO1]

39 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said:

Anyone with an ounce of football knowledge or common sense would be able to pick out a Neymar, Coutinho or even a Ronaldo or Agueiro from a group of players, the man was hardly an insightful scouting genius for picking out players of such ilk. It's about the picking up of players like Vardy, Marhez and Kante. Looking at the teams he's previously been employed by, namely Sunderland and Celtic, can you point out any such gems to me please? Then, on a rough percentage basis, how many of the players he had purchased for other clubs  have turned out to be unsuccessful and have subsequently had to eventually be resold. If you or someone else is able to supply those figures we would probably have evidence of whether he would or wouldn't be potentially successful at our club.

 

You would like to think that our board would do something like this and, IF Rodgers is actually wanting him to come and those results are stunningly negative, he should then be asked why in his opinion, with those figures before him, he feels he would be successful here as facts are facts.  He should then in no uncertain terms be told that it is not his money and future he's risking and therefore it won't be happening as it makes no viable financial sense whatsoever and this is a business, not a club for friends to employ friends.

 

I'm absolutely for a manager saying that he requires a particular type of player like an attacking or defensive midfielder etc and even give an example. He should also be consulted if and when such suitable candidates are found to get his opinion on which one he may prefer. This method also negates a club of buying too many of one type of player or one that is unsuitable for a manager to fulfil his desired system of play or tactics. An example may be like buying Slimani and Musa when we had a solid number 9 in Vardy when ideally we needed a  specialist number 10. Or, like Everton buying about half a dozen number 10's and still no specialist number 9. Ludicrous. Surely it's about consultation and teamwork. 

As an aside, Inter Milan gave up on Coutinho and sold him to Liverpool for 8.5 mil who sold to Barca for 142 mil. Hard to pick players who are going to succeed when they are young for all kinds of reasons. Ask Inter.

Great post. At least now were talking about the right thing. Structure,systems and results.

[Gerard]

27 minutes ago, Samilktray said:

To be fair to him he did recommend Zlatan as a signing whilst at Sunderland 

 

So that's Zlatan, Coutinho and Neymar he's getting credit for.

 

It's pity that he actually never bought any of them, maybe because every man and his dog could see they had every chance of being a worldie and bigger clubs than Sunderland bought these three in Barcelona, Inter and Ajax.

 

I've looked at his record at Sunderland which was a similar sized club to us and every player has been an average signing at best with the possible exception of Van Aanholt who they made a good profit on but was still an average PL player. 

 

I don't want Walsh back either as I think he has run his race but you can point to some brilliant buys under his tenure at Leicester. 

[Babylon]

21 minutes ago, Crispin LA said:

Chelsea got rid of him.

He went to Hamburg, they got relegated Lee got that sack. 

He went to Sunderland, they got relegated Lee got the sack. 

Went to Celtic, where there was no competition as Rangers were in a mess and bought substandard players which was glossed over as Brendon got Celtic to win the title. But Lee reputation in tatter's. 

Abit of a pattern emerging with Lee. 

A bit of a pattern if you want to twist everything... like Hamburg getting relegated, which happened about 4 years after he left.

[Ric Flair]

2 hours ago, Babylon said:

Was he a disaster for Chelsea? Arnesen saw enough in him after his stint there to take him to Hamburg with him. Rodgers enough to take him around with him. At Sunderland he was basically director of football and in sole charge, he wouldn't be here. People can be promoted above their station, see Walsh at Everton.

I've gone through Celtic's transfers Rodgers made pre Congerton and then the transfers made since Congerton has been here and they aren't that bad for what Celtic have achieved, it's the distinct lack of signings that might be the issue for Celtic but then again that's down to the board as much as anything. I think we might be having to take a leap of faith to think this chap has a good track record though because evidently he doesn't on paper. We aren't a struggling club that needs to take punts like this either, I would hope we consider various different recruitment directors and if they have a more tangible past than Congerton then we should go for them. I don't want us to be blindly taking Rodgers advice here, we certainly haven't done that for our previous past 3-4 managers.

[Ric Flair]

https://rokerreport.sbnation.com/2016/7/4/12093504/congerton-flawed-or-fraud

[Muzzy_Larsson]

Have found myself popping onto this forum to gauge reaction to Rodgers appointment and couldn't help notice this thread.

 

I'm a Celtic fan btw and thought I'd give an honest assessment of this charlatan Congerton.  In short, I see a lot of concern on here regarding his appointment and you all should be concerned, he was a disaster at Celtic.

 

To clarify a few things, some people have listed some successful signings under his watch like Eduoard, Weah, Ntcham and Benkovic.  All those mentioned are Lawell (our chairman) signings.

 

We've had a tie in with Man City (Lawell's son works in recruitment for Man City) for years and have had a rake of players on loan/permanent and Ntcham is one of them, Congerton did not identify him and we'd been trying to get him prior to Congerton arriving, even before he went on loan to Genoa.

 

Benkovic we've had a long standing interest very much prior to Congerton arriving and we tried to get him a couple of years before he signed for Leicester but wouldn't pay the £8m they wanted.

 

Weah and Eduoard are from PSG, another club we have close ties with as our chairman is buddies with the PSG chairman Nasser, he's confirmed this publicly more than once.

 

Over the last decade or so we've done very well at picking players up for relative peanuts and selling them for big money (in our terms), particularly to the EPL, to mention a few Van Dijk, Forster, Armstrong, Wanyama, Hooper, Ki, Dembele (Lyon).

 

Ironically while we've had Congerton in charge we've not sold a single player we've signed under his watch on for decent money, in fact we now have a bloated squad, on the periphery full of dross that we can't shift due to his approach to recruitment.

 

I've no axe to grind with Leicester but this guy is a charlatan and has been a disaster everywhere he has been.

Edited 7 March 2019 by henrik_62
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[Ric Flair]

2 minutes ago, henrik_62 said:

Have found myself popping onto this forum to gauge reaction to Rodgers appointment and couldn't help notice this thread.

 

I'm a Celtic fan btw and thought I'd give an honest assessment of this charlatan Congerton.  In short, I see a lot of concern on here regarding his appointment and you all should be concerned, he was a disaster at Celtic.

 

To clarify a few things, some people have listed some successful signings under his watch like Eduoard, Weah, Ntcham and Benkovic.  All those mentioned are Lawell (our chairman) signings.

 

We've had a tie in with Man City (Lawell's son works in recruitment for Man City) for years and have had a rake of players on loan/permanent and Ntcham is one of them, Congerton did not identify him and we'd been trying to get him prior to Congerton arriving, even before he went on loan to Genoa.

 

Benkovic we've had a long standing interest in as we tried to get him 12 months before he signed for Leicester but wouldn't pay the £8m they wanted.

 

Weah and Eduoard are from PSG, another club we have close ties with as our chairman is buddies with the PSG chairman Nasser, he's confirmed this publicly more than once.

 

Over the last decade or so we've done very well at picking players up for relative peanuts and selling them for big money (in our terms), particularly to the EPL, to mention a few Van Dijk, Forster, Wanyama, Hooper, Forster, Ki, Dembele (Lyon).

 

Ironically while we've had Congerton in charge we've not sold a single player we've signed under his watch on for decent money, in fact we now have a bloated squad, on the periphery full of dross that we can't shift due to his approach to recruitment.

 

I've no axe to grind with Leicester but this guy is a charlatan and has been a disaster everywhere he has been.

Thanks for this, I had looked through your signings the last 2 seasons and they don't look too bad but I did wonder whether that was the whole story or not though. If we bring this cretin in, i'll be disgusted and it'll be a huge alarm that Rodgers has been given full control over pretty much everything.

[Muzzy_Larsson]

25 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Thanks for this, I had looked through your signings the last 2 seasons and they don't look too bad but I did wonder whether that was the whole story or not though. If we bring this cretin in, i'll be disgusted and it'll be a huge alarm that Rodgers has been given full control over pretty much everything.

No problem.

 

As an aside Benkovic is a hell of a player.  He should be your number one CB next season, does everything very well.

 

I know he's not tested to the same degree in terms of opposition up here.  However, people said the same thing about Van Dijk and look what has become of him and it was as plain on the nose on your face with Celtic fans that he was going to the very top.  Imo Benkovic is another one of those where it is very obvious.

Edited 7 March 2019 by henrik_62

[OhYesNdidi]

2 minutes ago, henrik_62 said:

No problem.

 

As an aside Benkovic is a hell of a player.  He should be your number one CB next season, does everything very well.

 

I know he's not tested to the same degree in terms of opposition up here.  However, people said the same thing about Van Dijk and look what has become of him and it was as plain on the nose on your face with Celtic fans that he was going to the very top.  Imo Benkovic is another one of those where it is very obvious.

That’s good to hear. But he’s picked up a fair few injuries since the start of the season I believe. A little bit concerning. 

[Royston.]

If the worst was to happen and congerton winds up here...

 

He might bring in sh1t players but wont they just rot in under 23's and clog up the wage bill?

 

If rodgers were to persist with them at first team level surely he wouldnt last long??

[OhYesNdidi]

I can see why people are concerned. Recruitment is arguable the most important part of a successful football club. One bad window could put us right in trouble. I’d have thought they’d have been better options out there 

[Royston.]

3 minutes ago, OhYesNdidi said:

I can see why people are concerned. Recruitment is arguable the most important part of a successful football club. One bad window could put us right in trouble. I’d have thought they’d have been better options out there 

There surely are better options and whilst its understandable rodgers would want someone he knows we seem to be asking for trouble.

[Muzzy_Larsson]

20 minutes ago, OhYesNdidi said:

That’s good to hear. But he’s picked up a fair few injuries since the start of the season I believe. A little bit concerning. 

Yeah that's a fair point, we've been leaving him out when we play on the plastic pitches as well so can't blame that either.

[Muzzy_Larsson]

22 minutes ago, Royston. said:

If the worst was to happen and congerton winds up here...

 

He might bring in sh1t players but wont they just rot in under 23's and clog up the wage bill?

 

If rodgers were to persist with them at first team level surely he wouldnt last long??

That's exactly what having him around has done for us, we have a first team squad of 37 players or something, most of which beyond the first 18 are useless, overpaid and we can't get rid of them.  Not a good place to be.

[lcfcsnow]

3 minutes ago, henrik_62 said:

That's exactly what having him around has done for us, we have a first team squad of 37 players or something, most of which beyond the first 18 are useless, overpaid and we can't get rid of them.  Not a good place to be.

Who signed Shved? Rodgers clearly didn't want him and that was the first sign I thought he wanted out.

[Muzzy_Larsson]

3 minutes ago, lcfcsnow said:

Who signed Shved? Rodgers clearly didn't want him and that was the first sign I thought he wanted out.

A Lawell signing again as far as I believe, as was the other lad signed in January, Bayo.  Rumours are recommended by John Park, our ex and rumoured to be returning head of recruitment who got the heave-ho when Rodgers arrived.

 

Rodgers was quite vocal about not knowing much about either of these two in an assumed two fingers up at the board move.  He done the same when we signed Arzani in the summer from Citeh.  

 

Apparently, Congerton stopped being taken seriously in the summer when he provided a "pie in the sky" list of transfer targets that totalled £50m or thereabouts, no way we can spend that kind of money.

 

Last summer was a shambles really and that was the moment the relationship broke down between him and the board and funds were restricted as a result, because of all the China stuff.

Edited 7 March 2019 by henrik_62

[Ric Flair]

1 hour ago, henrik_62 said:

That's exactly what having him around has done for us, we have a first team squad of 37 players or something, most of which beyond the first 18 are useless, overpaid and we can't get rid of them.  Not a good place to be.

Have you got a list of all the signings made? I have looked on soccerbase and the numbers seem quite modest in the last two years, so how are you collecting players like that?

[Ric Flair]

1 hour ago, OhYesNdidi said:

I can see why people are concerned. Recruitment is arguable the most important part of a successful football club. One bad window could put us right in trouble. I’d have thought they’d have been better options out there 

Especially when you consider the type of " model " we are looking to adopt, which is sign very talented unproven youngsters and with the aid of the best training facilities in Europe in a year or two and a coach renown for improving such players, it is then a complete waste of time to entrust a head of recruitment with a track record as bad as his. We all know Rodgers past with transfer dealings is his nemesis and the fact this man is loved by Rodgers should be an immediate no.

[Muzzy_Larsson]

18 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Have you got a list of all the signings made? I have looked on soccerbase and the numbers seem quite modest in the last two years, so how are you collecting players like that?

Since Congerton arrived in March 2017:

 

Olivier Ntcham - Man City - £4.5m - Started great but faded, would still say a success.

Johnny Hayes - Aberdeen - £1.5m - Flop

Odsonne Eduoard - PSG - Loan/£9m - Success

Charly Musonda - Chelsea - Loan - Flop

Jack Hendry - Dundee - £1.5m - Flop

Marvin Compper - RB Leipzig - £2m - Flop hasn't played a single game

Lewis Morgan - St Mirren - Free - Flop

Scott Bain - Dundee - Free - Success

 

By this point we had allegedly lost trust in him and withheld funds as we believed Rodgers and him wanted out.  Summer 2018.

 

Emilio Izzaguire - Free - Flop, was great player in his first spell but done now.

Filip Benkovic - Leicester - Loan - Success

Youssof Mulumbu - Free Agent - Flop

Daniel Arzani - Man City - Loan - Jury out as done ACL in first match, looked bright though.

Oliver Burke - WBA - Loan - Success

Timothy Weah - PSG - Loan - Success

Jeremy Toljan - BVB - Loan - Success

Marian Shved - Ukraine - £2.5m - Still to arrive (summer)

Vakoun Bayo - Slovakia - £2.5m - Not been seen yet

Andrew Gutman - US College - Free - Will be amazed if ever plays for us

Manny Perez - US College - Free - Will be amazed if ever plays for us

Edited 7 March 2019 by henrik_62
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[Paninistickers]

Was this dude at Sunderland for the Netflix til I die thing?

 

I was horrified at the scene showing the prep meeting for deadline day targets. The recruitment structure looked no more than guesswork. And, amongst the targets scribbled on the flip chart was 'Daniel Amatey' .....a worrying lack of attention to detail and a gross misjudgement of Amartey's ability, wages and ambition.

[WigstonWanderer]

2 hours ago, henrik_62 said:

That's exactly what having him around has done for us, we have a first team squad of 37 players or something, most of which beyond the first 18 are useless, overpaid and we can't get rid of them.  Not a good place to be.

Ok now I’m starting to panic.

 

If there’s one thing I think we can all agree on regarding Puel’s reign it’s that he inherited a bloated, aging overpaid squad and has made a pretty good fist of not only slimming it down (with more in the pipeline once other contracts expire in the summer), but also making some decent signings, all whilst keeping us well away from the threat of relegation.

 

This guy’s appointment would seem to put this legacy at risk.

 

Somebody slap me.

[Muzzy_Larsson]

At least for all your sake it’s just speculation at the moment, you’d be hoping the chairman (who seems on the ball) would do some due diligence and look at his record. If he does there would be no way he would sanction his appointment you wouldn’t think.