leicsmac Posted 27 July 2019 Posted 27 July 2019 4 hours ago, Cardiff_Fox said: That test really hasn’t helped the idea of expanding the test playing nations Fair comment, though I think pretty much every rookie Test-playing nation got hammered a few times when they first started playing against the more established nations.
Bert Posted 27 July 2019 Posted 27 July 2019 England first Test squad versus Australia: Joe Root (captain) Moeen Ali Jimmy Anderson Jofra Archer Jonny Bairstow Stuart Broad Rory Burns Jos Buttler Sam Curran Joe Denly Jason Roy Ben Stokes (vice-captain) Olly Stone Chris Woakes Very surprised with no Leach. Wonder which seamer will miss out? Maybe even two. I would go: Bairstow Roy Denly Root Stokes Buttler Woakes Ali Broad Anderson Archer I know it takes another batter away but I think this will be won more through bowling than batting. Give Buttler the gloves so Bairstow can concentrate on scoring runs. Burns hasn’t done anything to warrant keeping his place for me.
smitha Posted 27 July 2019 Posted 27 July 2019 5 minutes ago, Bert said: England first Test squad versus Australia: Joe Root (captain) Moeen Ali Jimmy Anderson Jofra Archer Jonny Bairstow Stuart Broad Rory Burns Jos Buttler Sam Curran Joe Denly Jason Roy Ben Stokes (vice-captain) Olly Stone Chris Woakes Very surprised with no Leach. Wonder which seamer will miss out? Maybe even two. I would go: Bairstow Roy Denly Root Stokes Buttler Woakes Ali Broad Anderson Archer I know it takes another batter away but I think this will be won more through bowling than batting. Give Buttler the gloves so Bairstow can concentrate on scoring runs. Burns hasn’t done anything to warrant keeping his place for me. Good looking side that, the only question mark for me is Moeen Ali needs to step up in this series his batting has been shocking recently, his bowling is the only thing rescuing him as you say Leach very unlucky. Could replace Moeen if he does not perform.
Guest MattP Posted 27 July 2019 Posted 27 July 2019 Very surprised Moeen was picked over Leach on current form. Can't believe we are going into an Ashes series with Denly at number three, what an embarrassment.
fuchsntf Posted 27 July 2019 Posted 27 July 2019 7 hours ago, leicsmac said: Fair comment, though I think pretty much every rookie Test-playing nation got hammered a few times when they first started playing against the more established nations. No..not really. Sri-lanka competed and produced from the very beginning, World class stars...Bangladesh are now Upsetting the big boys,and also have a couple WClass stars I would keep Ireland ticking over,with more 2-3, Test series..Zimbabwe have too many political intrusion problems. At the moment, I only see Afghanistan who could be nominated,but it seems to me they would struggle to much,to find Players after this generation has finished,who themselves are not quite at that high consistent quality ....and don't like Bangladesh either have a mutli-millions of fanatics,nor interest and resources like Sri-lanka & Bangladesh. If China or Russia got interested they would easy find the masses and finances...but at the moment Govt & sporting priorities way off. Nepal & Netherlands,probably just too small to create "Test" teams.Technic, & intern interest there,but too little... One dayers are still their best hope,not as winners,but regular qualification for big tournaments... New Zealand in Rugby,cricket,Netball, as a small nation have proved, one can Produce World class teams and individuals without having major finances ,or resources readily available..!!!
Bert Posted 27 July 2019 Posted 27 July 2019 35 minutes ago, smitha said: Good looking side that, the only question mark for me is Moeen Ali needs to step up in this series his batting has been shocking recently, his bowling is the only thing rescuing him as you say Leach very unlucky. Could replace Moeen if he does not perform. Just think they’ve got to include a spinner and without Leach then it’s Ali. Seam attack is very good though.
leicsmac Posted 27 July 2019 Posted 27 July 2019 4 minutes ago, fuchsntf said: No..not really. Sri-lanka competed and produced from the very beginning, World class stars...Bangladesh are now Upsetting the big boys,and also have a couple WClass stars I would keep Ireland ticking over,with more 2-3, Test series..Zimbabwe have too many political intrusion problems. At the moment, I only see Afghanistan who could be nominated,but it seems to me they would struggle to much,to find Players after this generation has finished,who themselves are not quite at that high consistent quality ....and don't like Bangladesh either have a mutli-millions of fanatics,nor interest and resources like Sri-lanka & Bangladesh. If China or Russia got interested they would easy find the masses and finances...but at the moment Govt & sporting priorities way off. Nepal & Netherlands,probably just too small to create "Test" teams.Technic, & intern interest there,but too little... One dayers are still their best hope,not as winners,but regular qualification for big tournaments... New Zealand in Rugby,cricket,Netball, as a small nation have proved, one can Produce World class teams and individuals without having major finances ,or resources readily available..!!! Umm...from their first Test, Sri Lanka took four years to win their first Test match, had to wait twelve years before they won more than one Test series....and fourteen years before winning any Test match away from home. I definitely agree with the idea of keeping teams like Ireland and Afghanistan playing for that exact reason - it often takes a lot of time for newly started Test teams to come good.
Corky Posted 27 July 2019 Posted 27 July 2019 1 hour ago, MattP said: Very surprised Moeen was picked over Leach on current form. Can't believe we are going into an Ashes series with Denly at number three, what an embarrassment. We've dropped our best spinner and most convincing opener.
fuchsntf Posted 27 July 2019 Posted 27 July 2019 I wouldn't of gone for Moen,but he has done it on the big stage... My team,taking in selectors thoughts. Burn Roy Stokes/Bairstow Root Bairstow/Stokes. Butler Woakes/Curran Ali Broad Archer/Stone.. Anderson Bring in Butler early so he can build and hopefully not be tied down with tailenders. That will have to be Woakes or Ali responsibility... Can't make up my mind for 3rd & 5th Batting position... I could argue 2-4 reasons,why for both. But Stokes vice captain will see every Test. Bairstow/Butler/Foakes/ Woakes Could be vying for 3td Test selection,if Form doesn't hold out... Moen,ditto but with another Spinner. Archer/Stone/Woakes/Wood/Curran & Now Anderson Any doubts or injuries on first 2 tests brings the others into the reckoning!!
fuchsntf Posted 27 July 2019 Posted 27 July 2019 If we were to lose the Ashes,I believe it will only the batting that will let us down...Even on off days,our bowlers have proven they have wickets in them. We need an opening pair,we can't keep guessing who might have the potential from the counties...Burns & Roy must get 3 Tests.If they only partly click, No3 looks after itself..
leicsmac Posted 28 July 2019 Posted 28 July 2019 So, provided Moeen does get the nod as the only spinner, we have to pick three from Jimmy, Broad, Archer, Woakes, Curran and Stone. Not an easy choice.
Guest MattP Posted 28 July 2019 Posted 28 July 2019 1 hour ago, leicsmac said: So, provided Moeen does get the nod as the only spinner, we have to pick three from Jimmy, Broad, Archer, Woakes, Curran and Stone. Not an easy choice. Very tough, I think they'll go Anderson, Broad and Woakes for the opener.
leicsmac Posted 28 July 2019 Posted 28 July 2019 35 minutes ago, MattP said: Very tough, I think they'll go Anderson, Broad and Woakes for the opener. I certainly wouldn't mind that - especially for the first match. That being said, as a strike bowler I think Archer should be pretty interchangeable with Broad and so also wouldn't mind if he gets his shot in Broad's place too.
RowlattsFox Posted 28 July 2019 Posted 28 July 2019 You could probably argue Curran could be in as a batsmen, I don't think he'd get in ahead of any other others as a bowler but the batting needs all the help of can get. However someone else would have to go in the top 3 and noone seems to want to do that. Woakes, Anderson and Broad will be reliant on a swinging ball, if it doesn't we'd be in trouble as we've seen on away tours recently.
Bobby Hundreds Posted 28 July 2019 Posted 28 July 2019 53 minutes ago, MattP said: Very tough, I think they'll go Anderson, Broad and Woakes for the opener. Certainly for Edgbaston.
Guest MattP Posted 28 July 2019 Posted 28 July 2019 1 hour ago, leicsmac said: I certainly wouldn't mind that - especially for the first match. That being said, as a strike bowler I think Archer should be pretty interchangeable with Broad and so also wouldn't mind if he gets his shot in Broad's place too. I thought it would be Archer over them both but I think they might just have dragged it back after the opening spell against Ireland. People shouldn't expect too much from Archer, so different bowling in Test Cricket.
StanSP Posted 28 July 2019 Author Posted 28 July 2019 Anyone see the Worcs vs Durham score?! Durham got 181 off their 20. Worcs polished off that target in just 12.1 overs . Guptill smashed 10 sixes in his 86 runs off 31 balls.
Corky Posted 28 July 2019 Posted 28 July 2019 England Women absolutely whacked again. They have had a shocking summer.
marko Posted 28 July 2019 Posted 28 July 2019 22 minutes ago, Corky said: England Women absolutely whacked again. They have had a shocking summer. There has to be some serious questions asked of the women's game. They've been comprehensively outplayed in every facet of the game.
CosbehFox Posted 29 July 2019 Posted 29 July 2019 ICC finally announced their plans for a test championship, beginning 1st August and therefore includes the Ashes. The traditional nine teams which means excluding Ireland and Afghanistan.
Voll Blau Posted 29 July 2019 Posted 29 July 2019 Interesting piece on the statistical argument for Stokes batting three. Personally all for it if he's up for batting there. https://www.wisden.com/stories/stats-analysis/ben-stokes-cricviz
oxford blue Posted 29 July 2019 Posted 29 July 2019 Was the England v Ireland match the shortest ever with 4 completed innings? I have not seen that mentioned anywhere. If my internet search is correct, it was in terms of overs bowled. However, S Africa v England in 1896 was shorter in terms of balls bowled as the overs were only 5 balls, and England v Australia in 1888 fewer runs were scored (but there were more overs). Does anyone have anything to say this is wrong? (ok, I know most aren't interested in such trivia!)
Guest MattP Posted 29 July 2019 Posted 29 July 2019 I think we might just leave Archer out on Thursday. Anderson Broad and Woakes with Ali as the spinner. Rumours Root might be at three in the Times today.
StanSP Posted 29 July 2019 Author Posted 29 July 2019 Watching Global T20 in Canada on FreeSports (started a few days ago but just realised it was on). There's some decent talent across the squads... Vancouver Knights squad includes: Chris Gayle Van Der Dussen Russell Shoaib Malik Tim Southee Brampton Wolves: Munro Shahid Afridi Wahab Riaz Ish Sodhi Darren Sammy Edmonton Royals: Faf Mohammed Hafeez Jimmy Neesham Kane Williamson Montreal Tigers: Sunil Narine Thisara Perera Keemo Paul Toronto Nationals: Yuvrah Singh Trent Boult Brendon McCullum Kieron Pollard Winnipeg Hawks: Dwayne Bravo JP Duminy Chris Lynn A lot of them play in the IPL and I know some others are ageing quite a bit (Afridi!) but might still be good to watch at times...
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