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2019/20 Under 23's, U19's, Development ... thread

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24 minutes ago, Foxxed said:

It's only defensive players who have developed in the u23s. I'm thinking Hamza and Knight. If Pennant and Arlott-John are doing well in the u18 I'd keep them there, hopefully get an England callup and then fast-tracked rather than sit them in the u23s with a coach who mostly benefits defensive players.

The U18's certainly enjoy scoring goals. I'm taking my son to the next home match.

Posted
21 hours ago, LCFC1996 said:

In other news the U18's drew 4-4 (having been 4-1 down); Connor Barrett; Terrell Pennant (Barrett assist); Will Russ (Dempsey Arlott-John assist) and Shane Fynn with the goals

 

United side included the sons of Phil Neville, Robbie Savage & Richie Wellens

The club have Tom Sams & Ethan Fitzhugh scoring the first two whereas soccerway have Barrett & Pennant so some confusion

 

https://www.lcfc.com/news/1362862/young-foxes-complete-brilliant-comeback-at-man-utd

 

https://uk.soccerway.com/matches/2019/09/28/england/u18-premier-league-cup/manchester-united-fc-under-18-academy/leicester-city-fc-under-18-academy/3161617/?ICID=PL_MS_09

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Fitzhugh is getting on the scoresheet a fair bit and is only 16. Looks like the first season in the u18s when he's a starter - mostly came off the bench last season I think.

 

Also, I didn't realise Chilwell was born in Bedford. His league one loan was under Wagner at Huddesfield. He seemed very positive about him.

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On 28/09/2019 at 18:54, Ric Flair said:

Him and Fitzhugh are left footed wingers which there's a definite gap in both the U23's and first team. The pathway is there if they are good enough and some faith is shown in them.

I agree the pathway is there however if they aren’t being considered for the first team yet then I wonder if a loan to Leuven in the summer is the next step, instead of wasting time in the u23s. Tavares is 18, as is Arlott-John in a month and Pennant/Fitzhugh will be 18 near the start of next season. Plenty of young players the same age are already playing mens football so why not these lads.

 

Leuven could be playing in the first division next season which is a good standard for young talent to develop. Think its a good option for the club to consider. 

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.....or maybe the idea is to use Leuven to develop young Belgium talent of which there seems to be a high quality supply with our Academy  developing local and English talent with the occasional exchanges at U23 level 

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On 28/09/2019 at 09:58, sacreblueits442 said:

.. that's what I mean!! 

He looks poor and I can only think it is because of his association with the U23s coaching. 

  He looked good on his first stint with us and looked very good when he came on a permanent move. 

I am struggling to understand the upside of time spent in the U23s and the coaching received. 

More likely to be the wasted time pissing about for bohemians when he returned there, by all accounts he became too arrogant and let himself down. Players who take a `im already good enough' attitude rarely make it. 

 

Look at the players who have come through for us- King, Chilly, Moore, Barnes, Choudhury, Schlupp the one common theme is the attitude of these players. All of them act/ acted like model pro's, work harder each and every season and seem completely grounded individuals.  

 

I dont know a lot about Regba, but I dont like what ive heard so far. 

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2 minutes ago, Lambert09 said:

More likely to be the wasted time pissing about for bohemians when he returned there, by all accounts he became too arrogant and let himself down. Players who take a `im already good enough' attitude rarely make it. 

 

Look at the players who have come through for us- King, Chilly, Moore, Barnes, Choudhury, Schlupp the one common theme is the attitude of these players. All of them act/ acted like model pro's, work harder each and every season and seem completely grounded individuals.  

 

I dont know a lot about Regba, but I dont like what ive heard so far. 

...I did hear something regarding his return to Bohemians and If I recall it was more to do with the transfer not going through and now having to go back to an environment he had mentally and physically left.

   He did look very good and played with great intelligence, when he finally signed permanently very much like Vardy, closing down the opponents back four and putting in a shift that the other players were not doing either by choice or instruction.His quality has dropped almost off a cliff, (he has been with us a short while), and I am just wondering why?

Posted
On 29/09/2019 at 11:44, Nicolo Barella said:

Loan them, loan them all. Each League 2 team should have one of our U23s

Loan them all 

Loan them all 

The long and the short and the tall.. 

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1 hour ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...I did hear something regarding his return to Bohemians and If I recall it was more to do with the transfer not going through and now having to go back to an environment he had mentally and physically left.

   He did look very good and played with great intelligence, when he finally signed permanently very much like Vardy, closing down the opponents back four and putting in a shift that the other players were not doing either by choice or instruction.His quality has dropped almost off a cliff, (he has been with us a short while), and I am just wondering why?

Playing on the wing instead of as striker

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Posted (edited)
10 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

I took him, he spent the majority of the 1st half facing away from the pitch eating every snack I'd taken with us. 2nd half he watched about 5 mins and then pleaded with me to take him home.

 

Terell Pennant was very impressive but Chelsea were the much better team from the 60 mins I saw. Fitzhugh was played in an ACM role rather than out on the wing and he was barely involved. There were several scouts nearby raving about Pennant but most had come to see Ethan apparently. 

Would love to see Pennant on the bench for the Burton match. Pretty unlikely though :(

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1 minute ago, Shane said:

Would love to see Pennant on the bench for the Burton match. Pretty unlikely though :(

I'm not sure he's quite ready for the first team but he is absolutely ready for U23 football in my opinion. We have no left winger either at that level, madness.

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4 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

I took him, he spent the majority of the 1st half facing away from the pitch eating every snack I'd taken with us. 2nd half he watched about 5 mins and then pleaded with me to take him home.

 

Terell Pennant was very impressive but Chelsea were the much better team from the 60 mins I saw. Fitzhugh was played in an ACM role rather than out on the wing and he was barely involved. There were several scouts nearby raving about Pennant but most had come to see Ethan apparently. 

Haha, great to hear.

 

Do you think the u18s is a better platform for attacking midfielders than the u23s? I know Barnes was there for a season but his, and his footballing dad, seem an outliner.

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17 hours ago, Foxxed said:

Haha, great to hear.

 

Do you think the u18s is a better platform for attacking midfielders than the u23s? I know Barnes was there for a season but his, and his footballing dad, seem an outliner.

The football the U18's play is much less direct than the U23's. I could count on one hand the amount of long balls from the defence in the hour I watched, where as in the U23's it's a competition to see who can launch it the furthest at times. 

 

The play seems more focused around high pressing and one or two touch football, with the exception of Tavares who is the deep lying playmaker and Pennant was going on all sorts of runs. Arlott-John, Gyamfii and Fitzhugh played a lot of neat interchanges with Will Russ playing the lone forward. He wasn't involved much but as I said Chelsea were much more ruthless, we had a lot of the ball but wasted most openings.

 

I will go again if I'm free of a Saturday, especially as there's always goals! Think that's about 20 goals in the last 3 games, astonishing. 

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1 hour ago, Ric Flair said:

The football the U18's play is much less direct than the U23's. I could count on one hand the amount of long balls from the defence in the hour I watched, where as in the U23's it's a competition to see who can launch it the furthest at times. 

 

The play seems more focused around high pressing and one or two touch football, with the exception of Tavares who is the deep lying playmaker and Pennant was going on all sorts of runs. Arlott-John, Gyamfii and Fitzhugh played a lot of neat interchanges with Will Russ playing the lone forward. He wasn't involved much but as I said Chelsea were much more ruthless, we had a lot of the ball but wasted most openings.

 

I will go again if I'm free of a Saturday, especially as there's always goals! Think that's about 20 goals in the last 3 games, astonishing. 

Sounds like the more indirect u18 is better for the midfielders than the u23s. I'd still have the defensive players moved up to the u23s asap. What did you think of Taveras? I can't decide what I think. There was a lot of hype around him but the last time I watched him read in the Hong Kong 7s and that wasn't his best competition.

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29 minutes ago, Foxxed said:

Sounds like the more indirect u18 is better for the midfielders than the u23s. I'd still have the defensive players moved up to the u23s asap. What did you think of Taveras? I can't decide what I think. There was a lot of hype around him but the last time I watched him read in the Hong Kong 7s and that wasn't his best competition.

U18's is a piece of piss for him, he needs to be challenged at a higher level. I'd say he's already capable of League Two or League One. 

Posted (edited)
On 05/10/2019 at 22:44, Ric Flair said:

I'm not sure he's quite ready for the first team but he is absolutely ready for U23 football in my opinion. We have no left winger either at that level, madness.

God help him in our u23s with shite football. He'll be the next Tee.

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1 hour ago, lgfualol said:

God help him in our u23s with shite football. He'll be the next Tee.

I dunno. If he's a defensive midfielder then he'll do okay in the u23s. Hamza did well with the two or three seasons he was there. Sherif looked okay but admittedly is only league one bench level now.

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It makes me laugh that I've seen a few people talk about performances in the Hong Kong under 7's or whatever its called, it's just a kick about ffs lol 

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