Superpants82 Posted 5 July 2019 Posted 5 July 2019 2 hours ago, moore_94 said: *Pretends to be shocked* Also can’t wait for the meltdown from Sheff Wed fans when they catch wind of this again, they went crazy when he originally joined Leuven as it was so obvious what we were doing ????
katieakita Posted 5 July 2019 Posted 5 July 2019 Two sides to every story and binning him off for 6 months or so is harsh. They were offered an amount and yes wanted more but ended up with SFA. Perhaps though with a little thought they might have sucked it up and done a deal 1st time around with maybe a loan back agreement or push to be a place where they can take some of our players on loan.Bet they would not have minded Harvey Barnes for 6 months last season
Lizhang Posted 5 July 2019 Posted 5 July 2019 2 hours ago, lgfualol said: So this guy end up being pretty good for Leuven? I heard he wasn't that good and that is an amateur league. We are not in an amateur league. We were -thanks to Hirst- in direct danger of relegating to the amateur league though. Scored 2 goals in 20+ games, most of which he played the full 90 minutes or close. Good luck with him. Could be fun. If not for the goals, then for the giggles. 1 hour ago, ALC Fox said: He was very highly rated before the move to Leuven. After being frozen out by Sheff Weds and all the stress that situation would've brought, plus a move to an unfamiliar league in an underperforming team in a new country at 19 years old, I'm reserving judgement until he's been here for a year or two and settled back in. He could still realise that original potential. I have nothing personal against the kid. And clearly, Pearson is the main person to blame for Hirst's immense failure at Leuven. But in all honesty... i'm not seeing it. While it's true that he moved to a new/foreign league, a new club, he did get plenty of time and plenty of shots to get his shit together. And to be clear, the main reason the club was underperforming, was him. Not much else had changed compared to the previous year, when we finished 2nd. Only one key player left, who was replaced by Kapustka, and Hirst came in. That's basically all that changed. He's slow (i have no idea where the idea came from that he's quick), he needs a lot of time on the ball, he gets bullied off the ball by most every defender in our league with immense ease. He wins no headers... I'm afraid this is an example of a kid a little ahead of the physical curve in the youth ranks, making impressions. But once up against full grown men, turns out there's not much there.
Guest Manini Posted 5 July 2019 Posted 5 July 2019 Couldn’t give a shit about the loophole or whether he’s any good or not. Up the Leicester shithouses! Wednesday fans are well weird as well
Stadt Posted 5 July 2019 Posted 5 July 2019 The compensation would have been a nominal fee surely? What's the point in exploiting a loophole for a toss 20 year old that's just going to take up an u23 from a younger player?
PaulW Posted 5 July 2019 Posted 5 July 2019 We offered them a price. They chose not to accept it. Everything beyond that has been at the player's own volition. Loving their reaction.
Suzie the Fox Posted 5 July 2019 Posted 5 July 2019 Come on own up who is Fox1884 on their forums. You’re currently rocking it on the downvotes
Guest Manini Posted 5 July 2019 Posted 5 July 2019 4 minutes ago, Suzie the Fox said: Come on own up who is Fox1884 on their forums. You’re currently rocking it on the downvotes Don’t know why but I’ve just had a look... I find it mad that LOADS of fans still hang on to the paying our creditors off and ****ing over local businesses thing when we had that administration trouble back in the early 2000s as a stick to beat us with. Maybe I’m a bit too young to understand (I can’t really remember that period all too well I was 6/7), but are the rules around administration points deductions in place now purely because of us? If so, ****ing get in, what a claim to fame
Suzie the Fox Posted 5 July 2019 Posted 5 July 2019 36 minutes ago, Manini said: Don’t know why but I’ve just had a look... I find it mad that LOADS of fans still hang on to the paying our creditors off and ****ing over local businesses thing when we had that administration trouble back in the early 2000s as a stick to beat us with. Maybe I’m a bit too young to understand (I can’t really remember that period all too well I was 6/7), but are the rules around administration points deductions in place now purely because of us? If so, ****ing get in, what a claim to fame You are right it is a stick to beat us with. And yeah I guess LCFC going into administration was one of the reasons why FFP came into fruition. It wasn’t the only one though. Fans are bitter from all clubs, including ours when something goes against them. It’s part of the parcel really and I personally take it with a pinch of salt. I do feel bad for them as £2m would have helped them out no end, but the offer was there and they declined so you just have to put it down to shit happens sometimes.
urban.spaceman Posted 5 July 2019 Author Posted 5 July 2019 9 minutes ago, Suzie the Fox said: You are right it is a stick to beat us with. And yeah I guess LCFC going into administration was one of the reasons why FFP came into fruition. It wasn’t the only one though. Fans are bitter from all clubs, including ours when something goes against them. It’s part of the parcel really and I personally take it with a pinch of salt. I do feel bad for them as £2m would have helped them out no end, but the offer was there and they declined so you just have to put it down to shit happens sometimes. We didn’t break any rules at the time though, they we brought in to prevent it happening again. Even the punishment they brought in (10 point deduction) would still have kept us in the automatic promotion spot. In our defence we were just one of dozens of Football League clubs thrown into chaos by ITV Digital going bust. There weren’t parachute payments back then so we had a First Division squad on Premier League money and some players had to play for free. We’d just built a stadium for £32m which, along with ITV and Dennis Wise’s cvnty agent, left us pretty much bankrupt.
Suzie the Fox Posted 5 July 2019 Posted 5 July 2019 5 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said: We didn’t break any rules at the time though, they we brought in to prevent it happening again. Even the punishment they brought in (10 point deduction) would still have kept us in the automatic promotion spot. In our defence we were just one of dozens of Football League clubs thrown into chaos by ITV Digital going bust. There weren’t parachute payments back then so we had a First Division squad on Premier League money and some players had to play for free. We’d just built a stadium for £32m which, along with ITV and Dennis Wise’s cvnty agent, left us pretty much bankrupt. Yes you are correct. Tbh I forgot about many of the things you mentioned (except for the Dennis wise saga).
Bats8711 Posted 5 July 2019 Posted 5 July 2019 So I just read thru this thread and still have no idea what’s going on. Any kind person in here wanna give a brief cliffs notes run down of this? What did we (potentially) do wrong?
Trav Le Bleu Posted 5 July 2019 Posted 5 July 2019 So, if he's rubbish, can we sell him back to the Owls?
Bryn Posted 5 July 2019 Posted 5 July 2019 It is actually a disgrace this in all fairness, Sheff Wed have every right to complain.
Lizhang Posted 5 July 2019 Posted 5 July 2019 1 hour ago, Bats8711 said: So I just read thru this thread and still have no idea what’s going on. Any kind person in here wanna give a brief cliffs notes run down of this? What did we (potentially) do wrong? Leicester wanted to reel in Hirst some time ago, and made an offer. Cheffield Wednesday didn't think it was sufficient. But Hirst wanted to leave and didn't sign a new contract, so he could leave at the end of the season, for free. Sheffield Wednesday didn't like him acting up and benched him for a few months as well IIRC. But if he moved to Leicester, LFC would need to pay a compensation fee. However, if he left for a foreign club, then no compo would need to be paid. So Hirst first moved to Leuven (LFC's sister club), meaning Sheffield got nothing from the transfer. And now, he's moving from Leuven to Leicester. EDIT: To be clear, it is my opinion that Sheffield Wednesday should pay Leuven for damages and emotional distress that Hirst caused in Leuven.
STUHILL Posted 5 July 2019 Posted 5 July 2019 I think a loan deal would be good to help his development. Club like Sheffield Wednesday etc.
Ryy Posted 5 July 2019 Posted 5 July 2019 25 minutes ago, Lizhang said: Leicester wanted to reel in Hirst some time ago, and made an offer. Cheffield Wednesday didn't think it was sufficient. But Hirst wanted to leave and didn't sign a new contract, so he could leave at the end of the season, for free. Sheffield Wednesday didn't like him acting up and benched him for a few months as well IIRC. But if he moved to Leicester, LFC would need to pay a compensation fee. However, if he left for a foreign club, then no compo would need to be paid. So Hirst first moved to Leuven (LFC's sister club), meaning Sheffield got nothing from the transfer. And now, he's moving from Leuven to Leicester. EDIT: To be clear, it is my opinion that Sheffield Wednesday should pay Leuven for damages and emotional distress that Hirst caused in Leuven. We'll give you Ryan Loft as a sweetener for such a big loss ?
Sly Posted 5 July 2019 Posted 5 July 2019 A couple of years ago, I saw a house on the market and put an offer in, which was below the asking price. It was rejected, however, quite frankly he was asking for an obscene amount and I thought he was off his rocker. I purchased that house at an auction 13 months ago, after the bloke went bankrupt apparently. It was £40k less than I’d offered. I then made a few alternations and sold it for around what I offered the bloke originally. ...... am I any more of a shithouse?!? It isn’t that different.
Foxxed Posted 5 July 2019 Posted 5 July 2019 57 minutes ago, Sly said: A couple of years ago, I saw a house on the market and put an offer in, which was below the asking price. It was rejected, however, quite frankly he was asking for an obscene amount and I thought he was off his rocker. I purchased that house at an auction 13 months ago, after the bloke went bankrupt apparently. It was £40k less than I’d offered. I then made a few alternations and sold it for around what I offered the bloke originally. ...... am I any more of a shithouse?!? It isn’t that different. Not sure but surely such a thought provoking discussion point would be warmly welcomed by the Wednesday forum.
foxile5 Posted 5 July 2019 Posted 5 July 2019 This is poor form but entirely legal. I'm not proud of it, but i do understand it.
katieakita Posted 5 July 2019 Posted 5 July 2019 It happens and Weds could have handled it a lot better, we have been done before Everton mugged us with a certain Gary Lineker. They could have got something £1 million or so for a player who struggled in the Belgian 2nd division last season. Could have pushed for a decent sell on fee, a pre season friendly could have been sorted and the chance of loan players. Instead they gambled and got nothing that is their call
STUHILL Posted 5 July 2019 Posted 5 July 2019 Like someone else said, it is a weird way to do business to save just a nominal fee for a club like ours. I don't particularly like it but it's happened and Sheff Wed certainly didn't handle the player or situation well either. As for the player, I would have expected him to do much better over there in a league of that standard, but you just don't know how he may have struggled to settle or all the issues Pearson was having may have negatively impacted him. He's just 19 and another one for the development squad and can hopefully develop rapidly over the next 2 years. Be interesting to see who out of him and Ali Reghba perform the best. Both same age and rated highly! Would be great to have some top youth strikers coming through.
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