George Hirst Joins!

[dayday]

I would send him out to a club like Sheff wed on loan next season, for the experience 

[MC Prussian]

I think the positive side aspect is, now that he's underperformed in the eyes of many, he can only improve from hereon.

 

And he will.

 

The future's bright. The future's Hirst.

[Aus Fox]

No income tax, no VAT

we’re not paying 

Sheff Wednesday 

We don’t care anymore 

we just wanna see George Hirst score

 

Good bless John Rudkin

Long Live John Rudkin

Viva John Rudkin

 

 

[sylofox]

21 hours ago, brucey said:

Yeah, given as he's unlikely to ever be anywhere near good enough for our first team, I'm not really happy on potentially getting a transfer ban for this somewhere down the line. A couple of the big clubs recent transfer bans have stemmed from dodgy youth players transfers.

Like to know what we have done to get a transfer ban? 

 

He was out of contract and we broke no rules. 

 

The only person wrong in this is the Wednesday owner. He refused a very good offer then let the kid rot for twelve months. 

[Foxxed]

27 minutes ago, sylofox said:

Like to know what we have done to get a transfer ban? 

 

He was out of contract and we broke no rules. 

 

The only person wrong in this is the Wednesday owner. He refused a very good offer then let the kid rot for twelve months. 

The issue is that we didn't pay the development costs by buying him through a third-party. If you can prove Leuven wasn't a legitimate transfer, but a holding pen to save money, then we may be in trouble. But if you say Pearson and Leuven wanted him - and would have kept him for longer had they got promoted and he played well etc - but he didn't fit well, they wanted rid and we then decided to try again with him then we're probably safe.

[sylofox]

38 minutes ago, Foxxed said:

The issue is that we didn't pay the development costs by buying him through a third-party. If you can prove Leuven wasn't a legitimate transfer, but a holding pen to save money, then we may be in trouble. But if you say Pearson and Leuven wanted him - and would have kept him for longer had they got promoted and he played well etc - but he didn't fit well, they wanted rid and we then decided to try again with him then we're probably safe.

Dont you think our legal team will have been all over this. They've had twelve months to make sure this is legal. 

 

If this even becomes an issue people need sacking. 

[Daggers]

20 hours ago, Manini said:

Don’t know why but I’ve just had a look...

 

I find it mad that LOADS of fans still hang on to the paying our creditors off and ****ing over local businesses thing

 

It’d be like harping on about their match fixing in 1964. Dodgy cheating betting scandal tw@ts. 

[s11nny]

2 hours ago, Foxxed said:

The issue is that we didn't pay the development costs by buying him through a third-party. If you can prove Leuven wasn't a legitimate transfer, but a holding pen to save money, then we may be in trouble. But if you say Pearson and Leuven wanted him - and would have kept him for longer had they got promoted and he played well etc - but he didn't fit well, they wanted rid and we then decided to try again with him then we're probably safe.

Well thats just it you cant prove that it wasnt legitimate. Anyway even if it was always our clear intention for him to move to us after 1 season, which it clearly was, you still cant get punished because we havent broken any rules by doing it. Not that it would ever make sense to but even if we released a public statement saying this is what we were doing, we still cant get punished for breaking a rule that isnt there. Just wouldnt be good for rep.

[Foxxed]

1 minute ago, s11nny said:

Well thats just it you cant prove that it wasnt legitimate. Anyway even if it was always our clear intention for him to move to us after 1 season, which it clearly was, you still cant get punished because we havent broken any rules by doing it. Not that it would ever make sense to but even if we released a public statement saying this is what we were doing, we still cant get punished for breaking a rule that isnt there. Just wouldnt be good for rep.

By avoiding paying development costs? Wasn't Chelsea or someone punished for something similar? What were they punished for?

[Guest Cujek]

7 minutes ago, Foxxed said:

By avoiding paying development costs? Wasn't Chelsea or someone punished for something similar? What were they punished for?

Buying foreign kids. 

 

That was a very different situation. 

 

https://www.espn.co.uk/football/blog/marcottis-musings/62/post/3781639/chelseas-transfer-ban-explained-what-did-they-do-wrong-and-how-will-the-punishment-play-out

[brucey]

2 hours ago, sylofox said:

Dont you think our legal team will have been all over this. They've had twelve months to make sure this is legal. 

 

If this even becomes an issue people need sacking. 

Those big clubs who got the transfer bans will have had armies of lawyers far better than our own. They still decided to knowingly do it, for little obvious benefit (getting a couple minors in who are statistically unlikely to ever break into the first team). Obviously their legal team thought there was very little risk involved, maybe they even thought they found a loophole, only to suddenly be investigated many years down the line. My point is, it’s not worth any sort of miniscule risk to get a frankly poor player. Even if we don’t get in trouble for this particular instance, the powers-that-be will likely try to close the loophole with these sister clubs under the same ownership, which may hurt us if we do genuinely want to get a good player from OHL in the future.

[Gerard]

19 hours ago, Bryn said:

It is actually a disgrace this in all fairness, Sheff Wed have every right to complain.

 

It was also a disgrace how they treated Hurst. 

 

He didn't want to sign an extension of his contract which is his right and then they refused a £1m offer and refused to play him in any games at any level for Sheff Wed. Hurst had every right to give them a big Fuck you when he left as they never respected his decision not to extend his contract. 

[foxfanazer]

Don't like us doing things like this in all honesty. Don't wanna become that big club that shits on the little ones. 

[Guest TaggertvsWise]

In that case see it as we are now big enough to offer a route out for a player who is being shat on by their club. It’s a dog eat dog world and we have bigger teeth than Sheffield Wednesday.

[sylofox]

2 hours ago, brucey said:

Those big clubs who got the transfer bans will have had armies of lawyers far better than our own. They still decided to knowingly do it, for little obvious benefit (getting a couple minors in who are statistically unlikely to ever break into the first team). Obviously their legal team thought there was very little risk involved, maybe they even thought they found a loophole, only to suddenly be investigated many years down the line. My point is, it’s not worth any sort of miniscule risk to get a frankly poor player. Even if we don’t get in trouble for this particular instance, the powers-that-be will likely try to close the loophole with these sister clubs under the same ownership, which may hurt us if we do genuinely want to get a good player from OHL in the future.

I would think wolves and Watford have a damn site more to answer to than we do for one player. 

[Leeds Fox]

3 hours ago, brucey said:

Those big clubs who got the transfer bans will have had armies of lawyers far better than our own. They still decided to knowingly do it, for little obvious benefit (getting a couple minors in who are statistically unlikely to ever break into the first team). Obviously their legal team thought there was very little risk involved, maybe they even thought they found a loophole, only to suddenly be investigated many years down the line. My point is, it’s not worth any sort of miniscule risk to get a frankly poor player. Even if we don’t get in trouble for this particular instance, the powers-that-be will likely try to close the loophole with these sister clubs under the same ownership, which may hurt us if we do genuinely want to get a good player from OHL in the future.

 

On the flip side, maybe those clubs never expected to be pulled up about it at the time and didn’t do sufficient research and were a bit blasé about the situation. Now it’s been highlighted by them being punished, we might have done everything above board and avoided  making the mistakes that they made. 

 

Also, they are bigger clubs who can afford Moreno expensive players, but I wouldn’t assume that their lawyers we’re necessarily ‘better’. They may have been but I’d like to think KP use some of the top people in the industry too. 

[Chrysalis]

I dont know why we used this loophole, people talking about us as a dirty club again, all to save a pitiful couple of million, at times we act so tight with money.

 

We should do the right thing and pay up to sheff weds.

[themightyfin]

We offered Wednesday a fee and thry decided to turn it down. 

Can't believe how many posters here are now saying it's their own fault for being greedy. 

 

Are thry not allowed to hold our for the fee they though he was worth? If they thought he was worth more then we bid are they not within their rights to turn down the bid if they think its low? 

 

Have we never turned down bids from clubs from bigger clubs fir our players when we think the bids are too low? 

 

Think Mahrez and Maguire and others. 

 

Just because we are a bigger club don't mean we can bully smaller clubs into selling to us. 

 

Total double standards from many here. 

 

Fair play to Wednesday for sticking by their guns and not being bullied. 

 

The fact we have. It broken any rules does not mean that we have bent thrm well and truly and it don't sit right in my opinion. 

I Thought we were better then that, I don't want us turning out like the rest of the money grabbing big fish. 

It was not that long ago we were in the same pond as Wednesday. 

 

 

[weller54]

23 hours ago, MC Prussian said:

I think the positive side aspect is, now that he's underperformed in the eyes of many, he can only improve from hereon.

 

And he will.

 

The future's bright. The future's Hirst.

Most players would improve on heroin in all fairness. 

[Nalis]

Cant wait to see the uproar from the same posters who are proud of this move when New York City sign our next young prospect for fvck all.....

[Stoopid]

The incompetence, penny-pinching and general cloth-ears demonstrated by the LCFC behind-the-scenes hierarchy continues to astound.

Seems the more money swilling around the place, the more divs clamber aboard.

[Chrysalis]

16 hours ago, themightyfin said:

We offered Wednesday a fee and thry decided to turn it down. 

Can't believe how many posters here are now saying it's their own fault for being greedy. 

 

Are thry not allowed to hold our for the fee they though he was worth? If they thought he was worth more then we bid are they not within their rights to turn down the bid if they think its low? 

 

Have we never turned down bids from clubs from bigger clubs fir our players when we think the bids are too low? 

 

Think Mahrez and Maguire and others. 

 

Just because we are a bigger club don't mean we can bully smaller clubs into selling to us. 

 

Total double standards from many here. 

 

Fair play to Wednesday for sticking by their guns and not being bullied. 

 

The fact we have. It broken any rules does not mean that we have bent thrm well and truly and it don't sit right in my opinion. 

I Thought we were better then that, I don't want us turning out like the rest of the money grabbing big fish. 

It was not that long ago we were in the same pond as Wednesday. 

 

 

we both said the same thing you got 9 likes I got none wtf.

[Tielemans63]

1 hour ago, Stoopid said:

The incompetence, penny-pinching and general cloth-ears demonstrated by the LCFC behind-the-scenes hierarchy continues to astound.

Seems the more money swilling around the place, the more divs clamber aboard.

I think you're being very harsh here. The club rightly has a reputation for being a very well-run football club. The likes of  Susan Whelan do a very good job.

 

I'm not happy with how we've done business here but I think it's a lack of ethics here not a lack of competence. 

[jock2612]

On 06/07/2019 at 15:09, Gerard said:

 

It was also a disgrace how they treated Hurst. 

 

He didn't want to sign an extension of his contract which is his right and then they refused a £1m offer and refused to play him in any games at any level for Sheff Wed. Hurst had every right to give them a big Fuck you when he left as they never respected his decision not to extend his contract. 

Absolutely correct. They only have then selves to blame.

[Jattdogg]

A lot of clubs would have done the same thing if they were in the same boat. Its unfortunate for sure.

 

I'm not saying it's right but football is corrupt and has all sorts of shady workings. As long as you allow it to be technically legal then its all game.