Caglar Soyuncu

[StanSP]

8 hours ago, FoxInTheBirstallBox said:

Usually in warmups they will give separate drills to the defenders with short/long passes, headers ect.

 

 

Never seen them take a single player to the opposite side of the pitch to warm them up singularly though. Something looked off.

They used to do it with Soumare quite regularly. 

[SemperEadem]

Should get his name sung tomorrow. He has two tunes, lets not do 'hIs CocKS ****ing MaSSivE' one yeah.

[Sly]

So Caglar has rejected offers from Liverpool and Newcastle, clubs in Italy and Germany to sign for Athletico Madrid. 
 

He’s not good enough to start ahead of Daniel Amartey or Wout Faes though. Our egotistical manager needs to shower his brain and get him back playing. 
 

[BroughtonFox]

Horrendous treatment from Rodgers. Should have played in any game over Amartey. 

[kiwiturk]

Despite sitting on the bench since beginning of this season, Cags departure finalised. He has been chased by

Milan, 

Newcastle

Liverpool

Juventus

And he wasn't good enough for former NASA's head rocket scientist Brendan Rogers.

This is so ****ed up really...

 

[Bert]

He’s been ok for us and certainly a better option than Amartey. 
 

Don’t think there’s a club and player more suited for each other than Cags and Atletico  

[EnglishOxide]

Are we seriously gonna let him go?

 

He was unfairly made a scapegoat for us leaking goals when it's clearly been a lack of good coaching.

 

The bloke was a £50m player 6 months after Maguire left and Rodgers' has treated him with such contempt that he's gonna go for nothing?

 

Plus he seems like the only player in the squad with a nasty streak in him, which every good defence needs and coincidentally is what we are seriously lacking.

Edited 4 March 2023 by EnglishOxide

[beepee1984]

1 minute ago, EnglishOxide said:

Are we seriously gonna let him go?

 

He was unfairly made a scapegoat for us leaking goals when it's clearly been a lack of good coaching.

 

The bloke was a £50m player 6 months after Maguire left and Rodgers' has treated him with such contempt that he's gonna go for nothing?

He looks set to go to A Madrid where he will challenge for the La Liga and Champions League, but BR refuses to play him because of some stupid reason like he won't get his hair cut

[moore_94]

4 minutes ago, EnglishOxide said:

Are we seriously gonna let him go?

 

He was unfairly made a scapegoat for us leaking goals when it's clearly been a lack of good coaching.

 

The bloke was a £50m player 6 months after Maguire left and Rodgers' has treated him with such contempt that he's gonna go for nothing?

 

Plus he seems like the only player in the squad with a nasty streak in him, which every good defence needs and coincidentally is what we are seriously lacking.

He doesn't want to be here, can't exactly force him to sign a contract

[kiwiturk]

If you are treated sh*t like this you wouldn't want to stay as well.

I reckon that it will be a massive revelation on www.pornhub regarding Cags and BR's wife sex video soon.

Kardashian style😉

 

I simply run out of other logical explanations about why he treated like this.

[Sly]

He was poor and out of form leading up to him pulling out of that challenge at Tottenham. 

[baldeagle]

24 minutes ago, Sly said:

He was poor and out of form leading up to him pulling out of that challenge at Tottenham. 

This , lots of people re-writing history . He was terrible for a long period of time complete bomb scare . Terrible back passes getting caught on the ball etc , then of course the Tottenham challenge or lack of challenge . People were asking him to get drop, his form was also poor for Turkey . He also got injured and doesn’t want to be here why would you play him . 

[funkyrobot]

27 minutes ago, baldeagle said:

This , lots of people re-writing history . He was terrible for a long period of time complete bomb scare . Terrible back passes getting caught on the ball etc , then of course the Tottenham challenge or lack of challenge . People were asking him to get drop, his form was also poor for Turkey . He also got injured and doesn’t want to be here why would you play him . 

If a player’s form drops significantly then you question the player but you look at his manager. If he was the only one I’d say blame Cags, but he isn’t. Add Ndidi (who looks like a shadow of his former outstanding self,) Thomas, KDH, Amartey, Tielemans, Castagne and Vardy. None of those players are playing at the levels they were two years ago and on top of that there’s a general desire from most of the senior pros to leave, despite us being a Premier League club and having an outstanding (if apparently jinxed) training ground. There’s something fundamentally wrong with that situation.
 

Soyuncu hasn’t been that bad anyway - there’s at least as much revisionism of history coming from Soyuncu haters as there has been from those that think he’s been treated unfairly. The player has had to stay silent and Rodgers has been able to impart his ‘spin’ on the situation only. Errors wise he looks no worse than a very similarly hot headed Faes and he is without any doubt (in my eyes anyway) a much better footballer than Amartey.

Edited 4 March 2023 by funkyrobot

[adam1]

8 minutes ago, funkyrobot said:

If a player’s form drops significantly then you question the player but you look at his manager. If he was the only one I’d say blame Cags, but he isn’t. Add Ndidi (who looks like a shadow of his former outstanding self,) Thomas, KDH, Amartey, Tielemans, Castagne and Vardy. None of those players are playing at the levels they were two years ago and on top of that there’s a general desire from most of the senior pros to leave, despite us being a Premier League club and having an outstanding (if apparently jinxed) training ground. There’s something fundamentally wrong with that situation.
 

Soyuncu hasn’t been that bad anyway - there’s at least as much revisionism of history coming from Soyuncu haters as there has been from those that think he’s been treated unfairly. The player has had to stay silent and Rodgers has been able to impart his ‘spin’ on the situation only. Errors wise he looks no worse than a very similarly hot headed Faes and he is without any doubt (in my eyes anyway) a much better footballer than Amartey.

This. Plus Atletico Madrid signing him in the summer.

 

Why would one of Europes top clubs be signing him if he was supposedly shite?

 

 

[Chelmofox]

Would like to see him play for a proper manager.

[baldeagle]

14 minutes ago, funkyrobot said:

If a player’s form drops significantly then you question the player but you look at his manager. If he was the only one I’d say blame Cags, but he isn’t. Add Ndidi (who looks like a shadow of his former outstanding self,) Thomas, KDH, Amartey, Tielemans, Castagne and Vardy. None of those players are playing at the levels they were two years ago and on top of that there’s a general desire from most of the senior pros to leave, despite us being a Premier League club and having an outstanding (if apparently jinxed) training ground. There’s something fundamentally wrong with that situation.
 

Soyuncu hasn’t been that bad anyway - there’s at least as much revisionism of history coming from Soyuncu haters as there has been from those that think he’s been treated unfairly. The player has had to stay silent and Rodgers has been able to impart his ‘spin’ on the situation only. Errors wise he looks no worse than a very similarly hot headed Faes and he is without any doubt (in my eyes anyway) a much better footballer than Amartey.

Why is anyone who raises points about  a player automatically branded a hater ? I don’t hate him one it .  He was fantastic when he first came into the team and for whatever reason his form drastically dropped . They are the plain and simple facts . 

[kiwiturk]

57 minutes ago, Sly said:

He was poor and out of form leading up to him pulling out of that challenge at Tottenham. 

Just like that. Write him off and forget about he was in the season's best XI for the EPL .

Bloody Tottenham game. Some LCFC fans couldn't get over it and happy to write him off.

 

They also forgot that he was the vital part of defense who didn't conceive a single goal in many weeks,  back in a few years ago. 

 

He is a quality player who's still  attract an interest from Milan, Juventus, Liverpool, Newcastle and end up signing for Athletico Madrid despite sitting on the bench for an entire season.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ARTY_FOX]

1 minute ago, kiwiturk said:

Just like that. Write him off and forget about he was in the season's best XI for the EPL .

Bloody Tottenham game. Some LCFC fans couldn't get over it and happy to write him off.

 

They also forgot that he was the vital part of defense who didn't conceive a single goal in many weeks,  back in a few years ago. 

 

He is a quality player who's still  attract an interest from Milan, Juventus, Liverpool, Newcastle and end up signing for Athletico Madrid despite sitting on the bench for an entire season.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The only people who can't see how good he is are the ones that back the useless manager misusing him. 

[funkyrobot]

1 minute ago, baldeagle said:

Why is anyone who raises points about  a player automatically branded a hater ? I don’t hate him one it .  He was fantastic when he first came into the team and for whatever reason his form drastically dropped . They are the plain and simple facts . 

His form dip has been no worse than Ndidi’s, his errors have been no worse than Amartey’s. He has been treated differently by the manager. Publicly criticised, forced to warm up away from the rest of the team during pre match warm ups, usually not even selected. He’s a good footballer, he was an improvement on Maguire ffs. This can’t be all down to him, when people fail, look at their manager. What has Rodgers done to understand the drop in form and manage him back to form? I don’t buy it and I don’t agree with the narrative that Soyuncu has been as bad as it’s been decided he now is anyway. Yes the bottled tackle against Spurs was poor but come on, look at the decisions others have made over the past months. Ward has cost us countless goals, Faes, Thomas, Tielemans, Amartey, Castagne, even Maddison v Brighton -  all have made bad decisions that have cost us a goal. We’ve seen a collective lack of effort a number of times this season, an absent Soyuncu can’t be blamed for that. It’s weak/poor man management is what it is. 

[sm1]

I bet Caglar's glad he's not playing in this shite team. I hope he goes to Madrid, has fun challenging for the title and playing in the Champions league season after season. Good luck to him wherever he ends up. 

[moore_94]

24 minutes ago, kiwiturk said:

Just like that. Write him off and forget about he was in the season's best XI for the EPL .

Bloody Tottenham game. Some LCFC fans couldn't get over it and happy to write him off.

 

They also forgot that he was the vital part of defense who didn't conceive a single goal in many weeks,  back in a few years ago. 

 

He is a quality player who's still  attract an interest from Milan, Juventus, Liverpool, Newcastle and end up signing for Athletico Madrid despite sitting on the bench for an entire season.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah he was great in 19/20 and deserved to be in the Best 11 for the league.

 

But then in 20/21 his form dropped off, both Fofana and Evans were better than him, and he was rightfully 3rd choice.

 

In 21/22 he had a chance to get back into the side and cement his place with the Fofana injury but his performances didn't improve.

 

Also to go along with this his International performances have been poor as well.

 

People aren't just writing him off after the Tottenham game, it is due to his performances dropping off from 19/20 and him never getting anywhere near to them again across whole seasons.

 

I have no doubt we will have wanted to sign him to a new deal following that great 19/20 season, but in that summer his agent publically came out claiming Barcelona wanted to buy him.

 

Whether that got into his head a bit and his agent was feeding him stuff about that I don't know but he also eventually switched agents last summer.

 

Since his great season there has been absolutely zero news regarding him being interested in signing a new deal, and interestingly even after that great season not a single club tried to actually buy him, or since then either.

 

Even when he does join Atletico Madrid in the summer I still don't think he will be a regular starter for them.

[funkyrobot]

6 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

Yeah he was great in 19/20 and deserved to be in the Best 11 for the league.

 

But then in 20/21 his form dropped off, both Fofana and Evans were better than him, and he was rightfully 3rd choice.

 

In 21/22 he had a chance to get back into the side and cement his place with the Fofana injury but his performances didn't improve.

 

Also to go along with this his International performances have been poor as well.

 

People aren't just writing him off after the Tottenham game, it is due to his performances dropping off from 19/20 and him never getting anywhere near to them again across whole seasons.

 

I have no doubt we will have wanted to sign him to a new deal following that great 19/20 season, but in that summer his agent publically came out claiming Barcelona wanted to buy him.

 

Whether that got into his head a bit and his agent was feeding him stuff about that I don't know but he also eventually switched agents last summer.

 

Since his great season there has been absolutely zero news regarding him being interested in signing a new deal, and interestingly even after that great season not a single club tried to actually buy him, or since then either.

 

Even when he does join Atletico Madrid in the summer I still don't think he will be a regular starter for them.

Not sure that’s major criticism. This was pre injury ravaged Evans playing alongside a world class Fofana. Those pair would’ve comfortably kept out Faes and Souttar too. 
 

As for not wanting to sign a new deal, that’s the same as Tielemans and Maddison and yet they’ve not been ostracised. 

[moseeds]

What's clear is Caglar can't operate in a Rodger's team. The system just doesn't work. It's why every formerly decent player now looks crap. The misplaced passes are a dead giveaway. They aren't misplaced. They're forced errors. The errors are force because the setup is wrong. It then makes an all action player like Caglar look like a bombscare.

[moore_94]

1 minute ago, funkyrobot said:

Not sure that’s major criticism. This was pre injury ravaged Evans playing alongside a world class Fofana. Those pair would’ve comfortably kept out Faes and Souttar too. 
 

As for not wanting to sign a new deal, that’s the same as Tielemans and Maddison and yet they’ve not been ostracised. 

I would say it is, because after his previous season he shouldn't have been so easily displaced by Fofana, but his drop off in quality meant that it was easy to see why he wasn't going to get in ahead of either of them

 

But you also don't know what has been going on behind the scenes, Rodgers has said previously that Soyuncu that he wasn't doing well in training, and if he isn't showing the effort in training for a continuous period why should he play in the first place?

 

Yeah you could go on about well Rodgers should man manage better etc. but if Soyuncu has already checked out, which as he wanted out last summer he could be, why bother?

[funkyrobot]

20 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

I would say it is, because after his previous season he shouldn't have been so easily displaced by Fofana, but his drop off in quality meant that it was easy to see why he wasn't going to get in ahead of either of them

 

But you also don't know what has been going on behind the scenes, Rodgers has said previously that Soyuncu that he wasn't doing well in training, and if he isn't showing the effort in training for a continuous period why should he play in the first place?

 

Yeah you could go on about well Rodgers should man manage better etc. but if Soyuncu has already checked out, which as he wanted out last summer he could be, why bother?

We’ve only got Rodgers side. Can you really trust much of what comes out of his mouth these days? When so many other players form has dipped so significantly I’m sceptical. If Soyuncu has really checked out (and he gives no impression of that match day) then a strong manager would’ve moved him on. Look at Ten Hag at Man U,  Arteta at Arsenal. They both had difficult players and shipped them out quickly. 

Edited 4 March 2023 by funkyrobot