The VAR thread

[Babylon]

11 minutes ago, jammie82uk said:

reading this thread on Twitter it does seem the reason it was ruled out is because Barnes  moved 

 

 

It has to “clearly” impact the opposition player. It doesn’t, as he says, it was because the Lino flagged. Anything subjective they don’t touch

[st albans fox]

50 minutes ago, Super_horns said:

 

 

Peter Banks seems to be involved in a lot of these dramas.

 

Maybe he is just a rubbish official?

There is no ‘maybe’ about it 

 

he’s terrible. But because we have a dearth of competent officials,  he remains a PL ref 

[Brooksy]

24 hours on and it's still pissing me off. I don't think that twat Dermot Gallagher ever goes against his colleagues decisions does he?

[davieG]

20 hours ago, st albans fox said:

Totally agree 

however, as @bert said earlier, the absence of VAR would have made no difference today- VAR simply didn’t get involved with the on field calls ….. which were questionable at best ……

For the penalty the ref had signalled a corner.

[Facecloth]

20 hours ago, st albans fox said:

Totally agree 

however, as @bert said earlier, the absence of VAR would have made no difference today- VAR simply didn’t get involved with the on field calls ….. which were questionable at best ……

And if VAR didn't exist, whilst we be annoyed, I think we would all accept they ate only human, and mistakes happen. With the assistance of VAR, its unacceptable those decisions were allowed to stand.

 

Also as Davie says above, they'd given a corner before VAR spotted the handball and gave a penalty.

[Fox92]

29 minutes ago, davieG said:

For the penalty the ref had signalled a corner.

Linesman gave it considering ref signalled corner, like you said, then changed his mind after consulting the linesman.

 

To be honest, from linesman view it will have looked like a pen because he wouldn't have seen the foul.

[Legend_in_blue]

Bottom line is, the referee should make the decision.  Not the linesman, assistant referee, flag bearer, whatever.  Go to THE SCREEN ffs!

 

The fact that VAR is causing controversy is because it isn't being used correctly.  You can give referees all the tools in the world but if they are incompetent on the field, they'll be incompetent with the technology.  The two go hand in hand.

Edited 20 September 2021 by Legend_in_blue

[Kopfkino]

2 hours ago, jammie82uk said:

They did but basically said the same as this 

 

 

So it is just gross incompetence, how can you be a referee and only look at one aspect of the action and not one bit of it, considering the whole incident is a fundamental part of the job!

 

Do we need to give them a checklist on their desk so they make sure to check all of it. Maybe we can put that checklist on the screen to check off as they go and at least there’d be some transparency and accountability to the people watching

[Legend_in_blue]

3 hours ago, jammie82uk said:

They did but basically said the same as this 

 

 

 

They haven't got a clue.  Collectively, they're clueless.

 

It shouldn't need to go to VAR.  It should be the job of the referee to take the responsibility by going over to the screen to make what would be no more than a decision lasting 10 seconds.

 

Phone in tonight on the local radio just made me as incensed as I was watching the game.  "But VAR disrupts the flow of the game".  No, using VAR should not disrupt the flow of the game.  "VAR makes it take too long to come to a decision".  No, it shouldn't take an age to make a decision.

 

Competent people in positions of responsibility can easily make a correct judgement call within seconds. 

 

Why can't a referee? 

 

 

[st albans fox]

1 hour ago, davieG said:

For the penalty the ref had signalled a corner.

As has been said - the linesman had his flag up indicating a pen, the ref went to speak with him and then gave it 

 

var checked the handball call. IF var had given the handball then the ref would have had to go to the screen - but he would still have given it because he would only have been shown the ball striking the hand and not the foul by Maupay 

 

 

 

[st albans fox]

1 hour ago, Facecloth said:

And if VAR didn't exist, whilst we be annoyed, I think we would all accept they ate only human, and mistakes happen. With the assistance of VAR, its unacceptable those decisions were allowed to stand.

 

Also as Davie says above, they'd given a corner before VAR spotted the handball and gave a penalty.

I totally agree with the first para but DG is incorrect  in saying that the var gave the pen 

[Super_horns]

1 hour ago, Kopfkino said:

So it is just gross incompetence, how can you be a referee and only look at one aspect of the action and not one bit of it, considering the whole incident is a fundamental part of the job!

 

Do we need to give them a checklist on their desk so they make sure to check all of it. Maybe we can put that checklist on the screen to check off as they go and at least there’d be some transparency and accountability to the people watching

That is what happens in rugby and cricket .

 

We can hear the whole process so at least you understand and see why a decision is made .

 

Why not football ?

Edited 20 September 2021 by Super_horns

[Spiritwalker]

1 hour ago, Super_horns said:

That is what happens in rugby and cricket .

 

We can hear the whole process so at least you understand and see why a decision is made .

 

Why not football ?

Maybe the authorities fear their officials will sound like

complete fck wits if mic’d up

[erlee]

does anyone know who was the VAR ref on the weekend?

 

as a ref myself - the one where Barnes went up to obstruct the goalie for a split second when the cross came in - i would say it;s a 50-50.

(obstructing the goalie & being in an offside position at the same time)

 

the other one - he wasn't interfering with play at all. got robbed by the VAR.

 

 

[Aus Fox]

Last point on this one, look at the refs view - why is the linesman making the decision?

The referee is in a perfect view to see what his happening - Barnes isn’t even in this photo. I can’t help but feel if on both this decision and the penalty, if he goes over to the monitor we win the game 2-1.

[Vlad the Fox]

As others have said regarding var not giving the decisions so the outcome would be the same. I can accept the officials making a mistake when they only have one look, but having to wait a few minutes for someone who has a video and multiple angles to still make the mistake is unacceptable. 
 

Before var plenty of goals like Wilfs still stood because they could see there was no interference, as a result of var you get a twisted decision because it seems officials are making certain decisions because of the safety net of var correcting them but then var isn’t doing it’s job.

 

A checklist for var officials to work through is essential as they seem to be forgetting to look at certain things from one decision to the next.

 

Also as mentioned, Mike up the refs and var officials so we can all hear the decision making, have some transparency, allow the captains to stand with the ref during this process so they can ask questions eg “Vestergaard says his arm was being pulled and prevented from jumping, could you look at that please”

 

I don’t think it was a particular success in the euros or World Cup, it was just applied slightly better. Refs still overturned good decisions when asked to view monitors.

 

Im sure I read somewhere before var, refs on average got about 94% of decisions right, what’s the percentage of right decisions now? Even if it’s the 3 or 4% improvement they predicted at the start is the disruption and cost to the game worth it? 

It will never change as the nature of the game is that many of the decisions are subjective, to many grey areas for it to ever be consistent.  

Essentially the game is about the spectators, without them the game is just a fitness excercise, hobby, pastime or a bit of fun for the players. Var spoils it for the spectators but will they accept it isn’t working and drop it or proceed year on year tinkering trying to get it right and slowly killing the enjoyment of the viewing public. 

[justfoxes]

14 hours ago, Fox92 said:

Linesman gave it considering ref signalled corner, like you said, then changed his mind after consulting the linesman.

 

To be honest, from linesman view it will have looked like a pen because he wouldn't have seen the foul.

Then if looked at by VAR the Cockwomble in the box just looked at the handball and didn’t even look at the way Maupay was clearly dragging Vestergaard down by the arm, apparently the  VAR ref has given quite a few contentious decisions against us in the past not saying he’s biased against us but if he can’t do his role properly then he should be removed from his role !

[jammie82uk]

12 hours ago, Super_horns said:

That is what happens in rugby and cricket .

 

We can hear the whole process so at least you understand and see why a decision is made .

 

Why not football ?

Jarred Gillett who’s doing his first game at the weekend did a mic’d up game in his last one in the A-league 

 

 

[davieG]

Ex-Premier League referee fumes at 'laughable' Leicester-Vestergaard controversy
Keith Hackett has branded the decision to award Brighton & Hove Albion a penalty against Leicester City as a “joke”.

Speaking exclusively to Football Insider, the ex-FIFA and Premier League referee cannot believe Stuart Attwell did not award Leicester a free kick after consulting his assistant.

Jannik Vestergaard was being pulled back by Neal Maupay as he attempted to win a header from a Brighton corner.

However, he was unable to get his head on the ball as it struck his arm.

Maupay subsequently tucked away the penalty to open the scoring in the Seagulls’ 2-1 home win.

Asked for his assessment of the incident, Hackett told Football Insider correspondent Connor Whitley: “Oh, deary me, a joke decision.

“The referee is in a good position. The Leicester City player is clearly being grabbed so there’s your offence.

“The attacker has got hold of him, pulled him to the ground and the arm has gone up because he’s going backwards, the ball has struck his arm and it’s a foul.

“Then to see the referee, Stuart Attwell, who had a good season to date, to go and consult with his assistant. I don’t know what that was about. Attwell’s in position and this is a poor decision to give a penalty kick.

“This was a grabbing and holding offence that should have been penalised and if he wants to see how that is done, look at the Wolves-Brentford game with Darren England where it was perhaps more obvious. But this was laughable.”

[justfoxes]

3 minutes ago, jammie82uk said:

Jarred Gillett who’s doing his first game at the weekend did a mic’d up game in his last one in the A-league 

 

 

That’s a quality performance  let’s employ this ref in the Premier League plus the miked up action would give fans if needed to explain the decision A bit more clarity, trouble is our awful refs would be dead against it !!

[StanSP]

Jarred Gillett is better than majority of PL refs. 

 

Puts some of the more experienced ones to shame. 

[moore_94]

2 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Jarred Gillett is better than majority of PL refs. 

 

Puts some of the more experienced ones to shame. 

Apparently he was poor in the Championship, and has already had made some bad decisions as VAR this season in the Prem... just sounds like adding more crap to the pile

[st albans fox]

9 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Jarred Gillett is better than majority of PL refs. 

 

Puts some of the more experienced ones to shame. 

I think you need to wait and see him perform …… of course cut him some slack in his first few games …..

[jammie82uk]

34 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

Apparently he was poor in the Championship, and has already had made some bad decisions as VAR this season in the Prem... just sounds like adding more crap to the pile

Looking at his stats in the championship in his last 5 games combined he gave 14 yellow cards, 2 red cards and 5 penalties 

 

https://www.whoscored.com/Referees/3151/Show/Jarred-Gillett

Edited 21 September 2021 by jammie82uk

[reporterpenguin]

Two days on and this is still annoying me.

 

Given the general reluctance of the VAR to overrule their mates and it seemingly being a tool to justify the on-field decision rather than arriving at the correct one, would it not be a better for the person making the final call to be unaware of what the on-field call was? Admittedly it would require an extra person, but the way I would see this working is that the primary VAR refers the footage to someone who is not aware of the initial call who then views the incident in isolation. If the impartial call is different to the on-field decision, the primary VAR could then either advise the use of the pitch side screen or just overrule the decision given by the referee.