Ayoze Pérez

[The Horse's Mouth]

8 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

I just think him and Ricardo on that right are so good. Ricardo is the only full back that looks good behind Perez imo. 

Don't necessarily disagree with that, but that's kinda the problem, his upside is someone plays better rather than his own performance. That right channel is the difference between us breaking into the top 4 or staying constant nearly men

[Fox92]

14 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

Don't necessarily disagree with that, but that's kinda the problem, his upside is someone plays better rather than his own performance. That right channel is the difference between us breaking into the top 4 or staying constant nearly men

I don't disagree with right midfield being the difference either. We haven't had quality there since Mahrez left. Of course he's on a different level but it would be nice to get a player like that who will hit double figures for us.

 

I think that position is the area we need to improve. People talk about a new centre back but I'd prefer a loan signing, to get through our injuries, and then keep the money to spend big on a right winger.

 

edit: To add, with that, I just think Perez is the best option we've got for that right position. 

Edited 9 August 2021 by Fox92

[gurru991]

On 08/08/2021 at 07:43, crazies said:

Can’t help the haters mate 

it’s like the saying “you can’t teach stupid, it comes naturally” 

There may be some overlap in your statement 

[honeybradger]

7 hours ago, pmcla26 said:

I don't think any of us can really question the geezer who's on his way to becoming our greatest manager of the 21st century and is taking us to unimaginable, sustained heights as a football club at this current moment in time. He's not perfect but honestly, do we need to have this discussion of "Oh my god why has he picked Perez again?!" after every time he plays? Rodgers clearly trusts him and he had a decent game Saturday following on from a decent showing against Villareal. 

 

As fans we should know what Perez is now. Maybe we need another wildcard option like Dan James to come off of the bench on the right hand side in the last 20/30 mins or so, but Albrighton and Perez's role in the team on the right is clearly to offer us tactical stability and allow others around them to flourish by pressing hard, keeping the ball moving and offering somewhat of a threat in the final third. We've got better players than both and therefore we don't center our play around either, but they both compliment the others well and they aren't, especially Perez, as far off the other players we have as attacking options that our fans make out. We have been spoilt by having a couple of world class attackers in recent years in Vardy and Mahrez, then Barnes and Maddison who are that level below, to think that this should be the standard for all players in the final third. 

Truth is, if everyone was to be a direct player like Barnes or Vardy in the system, would we be able to keep teams camped in their halves quite as much? Probably not as we'd have a much higher turnover of possession, with players relentlessly looking to take their man on etc. when what's needed is simple passes to keep things ticking over whilst we look for openings or crosses into the box, which Perez and Albrighton offer us. 

 

A Harvey Barnes for the right hand side costs upwards of £40m in today's market. To expect us to just find one and not have to pay that money is just ludacris, or to expect us to pay that amount is even worse. I'm confident enough with how Barnes and Vardy ran Cancelo and Dias ragged at times, how Perez and Ricardo linked up and the trio in midfield combined that we will be fine in attack this season, and we really don't need to question Rodgers at all. 

Perez loses the ball more than anyone on our team almost every game he plays. If his value is mindless passing in the opponents half till one of barnes, maddison, tielemans, ricardo or vardy does something then get him out.

[norwichfox]

ffs, how long is this thread going to go on for?

[KingsX]

1 hour ago, norwichfox said:

ffs, how long is this thread going to go on for?

 

amazing how they never seem to run out of energy!

 

    

[STUHILL]

1 hour ago, norwichfox said:

ffs, how long is this thread going to go on for?

until he leaves/retires? 

[NasPb]

5 hours ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

I'm baffled people are saying he was good Saturday

He was alright tbh

[NasPb]

We need a Pérez chant maybe that'll motivate him 

[gurru991]

3 hours ago, norwichfox said:

ffs, how long is this thread going to go on for?

Forever.    They have an agenda & can’t let it go. 

[The Horse's Mouth]

1 hour ago, NasPb said:

We need a Pérez chant maybe that'll motivate him 

Please sell Perez ayoze Perez I just don't think you understand 

[volpeazzurro]

6 hours ago, Fox92 said:

I just think him and Ricardo on that right are so good. Ricardo is the only full back that looks good behind Perez imo. 

Just because Ricardo played well doesn't mean that Perez was a huge contributory factor in that, he was merely 'just there', in the vicinity, on the right. There was hardly what you would call a partnership or obvious and consistent interplay between the two. Albrighton for me offers so much more and, although not a winger, so would Praet in my opinion. 

 

In fairness, neither on this occasion would I say that Perez played badly. He did a couple of good things, gave the ball away on a couple or so occasions but was largely an insignificant and peripheral figure compared to other players on the pitch. I do however think that he always does his best when he plays but, compared to other smaller players, he still seems incredibly weak when in possession twhich for some reason he's failed to address. 

[crazies]

5 hours ago, gurru991 said:

There may be some overlap in your statement 

No no no don’t try and teach me please refer to my previous statement 😂

[Foxxed]

Bren wants Ricardo to bomb forwards and needs the "right winger" to move inside and cause problems? (And one who can intercept the ball is decent too). If so, I can't think of many players better than Perez.

 

I feel fans overstate Perez's failings and don't appreciating his role in the team. It reminds me of the abuse Shinji got for not scoring. His role in our success was only understood after we lifted that trophy.

 

Simmo allowed Mahrez to wander freely and cause havok.

Albrighton allowed Fuch to get forwards.

Perez allows Ricardo to bomb forwards.

 

Our full back becomes our right winger. Our right winger becomes our attacking forward. And our defensive midfield provide cover. And we use this to confuse and break down resolute defences.

 

Edited 9 August 2021 by Foxxed

[marbles]

8 hours ago, norwichfox said:

ffs, how long is this thread going to go on for?

Bad thing is, they will just find someone else to complain about.

 

How long did we have to hear about Nacho?  How many of these same “experts” wanted him gone?

How many of them are now praising him?

 

Its a never ending cycle.

Edited 10 August 2021 by marbles

[gurru991]

Just now, marbles said:

Bad thing is, they will just find someone else to complain about.

 

How long did we have to hear about Nacho?  How many of these same “experts” wanted him gone?

 

Its a never ending cycle.

Agreed. It was Nacho for a while & now its Perez & eventually they will find another target. I find it all a tad embarrassing to be honest. 

[turkish14]

I’ve said this before….

 

Whatever you think of Perez, if you want him to play at his best (whatever his “best” looks like), how does booing and jeering him help?

 

even when he did good things on Saturday or attempted some clever passes, there were no claps or praise. Yet other players get lauded.

[majaco]

We should absolutely not boo our own players.  Imo opinion, Perez is not of the standard of the rest of the team.  He is frustrating.   He will not be booed by me because he is a Leicester player.  He shows commitment.

 

I remember the treatment of Chilwell from the fans in a home game v Southampton.  The home  crowd gave the ball away several times by getting into Chilwell's head when he received the ball.

[HighPeakFox]

54 minutes ago, turkish14 said:

I’ve said this before….

 

Whatever you think of Perez, if you want him to play at his best (whatever his “best” looks like), how does booing and jeering him help?

 

even when he did good things on Saturday or attempted some clever passes, there were no claps or praise. Yet other players get lauded.

Twas ever thus, as long as I can remember. Certain players always get off scot free, whilst others get the groans for breathing. Human beings see what they want to see.

[Kilworthfox]

16 hours ago, pmcla26 said:

Fair enough.

 

Say if you were advising Brendan on who to pick for that right sided role for this Saturday coming,  with the options we have at disposal and the other 10 players the same from the weekend, what would you say to him a) reasons against starting Perez and b) your choice of who else and reasoning for that? 

Everyone is entitled to their opinions on football, especially at your club, but the only 1 who matters is who is paid to do this, but with that comes the responsibility to do a competent job, which on the whole Rodgers is doing. So in reality far be it from me to advise on anything. However as an opinion....

 

For a manager (and more longstanding the club) who seemingly gets the majority right, this inability to fix the right midfield area is confusing, when other similar issues seem to have been resolved.

 

So with the current options, how Perez is chosen above Albrighton, I do not understand. Not that I am suggesting Marc is flawless. Also as a secondary position, Riccardo would also do very well at right midfield, if he can return to the form of 2019, which his showing at Wembley suggests he can, this is amazing news! Now we can consider who we can replace him with at RB, where there are strong options at both fullback spots, so this issue will become less significant as players return from injury.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[murphy]

8 hours ago, marbles said:

Bad thing is, they will just find someone else to complain about.

 

How long did we have to hear about Nacho?  How many of these same “experts” wanted him gone?

How many of them are now praising him?

 

Its a never ending cycle.

I will hold my hands up as a critic of Nacho and it was perfectly reasonable because he wasn't performing.  I have since praised him for his Lazarus style resurrection.  His goals kept our season alive and I am delighted for the club, but even more so for Kelechi on a personal level.  It is great to see.

 

Yes, it is an endless cycle because football is an endless cycle so expect praise and criticism and everything in between.  Ask yourself this, would you prefer a politburo style blanket ban on criticism or an honest exchange of views?  Would you prefer to pretend not see elephants in rooms?

 

I would also point out (again) that criticism is not hate and nor is it abuse.  I wish people that spout this would understand that it is just as puerile to characterise contributions that they disagree with in these terms as anything I have seen thrown at Ayoze.  Whenever I see it, I challenge it and not once has anybody been able to back it up.

 

On the subject of criticism, there are exceptions.   This is just my personal opinion of course, but players making the step up from lower leagues or from the youth team should expect more leeway and understanding as they make their way in the PL.  See Justin, Chillwell, Barnes etc.  Also fans in the ground.  Booing Ghezzal and Nacho on to the field was shameful.  If you are there in person, get behind the team and finally if your view is so entrenched that you cannot alter it and refuse to back down in the face of the evidence in front of your eyes.

 

Finally and back ot.  I find the ever more creative ways of defending Perez slightly amusing.  Surely you recognise that by crediting Ayoze for Ricardo's form or creating brand new positions such as the defensive winger or 'definger' you are also perpetuating the cycle and asking for it to be debunked.  Fair enough, but don't then claim to be exasperated by the very cycle that you are helping to continue. 

[turkish14]

5 hours ago, majaco said:

We should absolutely not boo our own players.  Imo opinion, Perez is not of the standard of the rest of the team.  He is frustrating.   He will not be booed by me because he is a Leicester player.  He shows commitment.

 

I remember the treatment of Chilwell from the fans in a home game v Southampton.  The home  crowd gave the ball away several times by getting into Chilwell's head when he received the ball.

I remember that, I felt ashamed big time that day

[marbles]

I don’t have a problem with people criticizing a player.  What I have a problem with is when it’s not only non-stop, but gone way past being criticism.

someone on here blamed him for us losing out on the CL.  Really? 
so injuries had nothing to do with it?

So Vardy not scoring had nothing to do with it?

 

People are at the point where they absolutely refuse to acknowledge anything positive about whomever FT has put in the cross hairs.

We lost games under Puel - it was all his fault.

We won games under him - he had nothing to do with it.

 

Common sense has been thrown out and replaced with common stupidity.

 

Answer me this - how long would it be reasonable for your employer to beat you down?

2 minutes?

2 weeks?

2 years like the on this forum?

 

If you tell your child they can’t have a toy, how many days/months/years will you listen to your child cry about not getting that same toy?

 

Yes, the analogies are ridiculous, as are some of the people on here.

 

Criticism is one thing.

Digging up the same dead horse every hour so you can beat it again and again, is insane.

 

Get over yourselves.

You are not as knowledgeable as you think you are.

 

 

Edited 10 August 2021 by marbles

[HighPeakFox]

Yes, it is only the mind-numbing repetition and one-eyedness of SOME (not all @murphy) that wears me down. I totally accept that Perez is the first player in the starting XI I'd seek to replace, I just don't feel the need to keep telling everyone as if I'm marking my territory.

[jmono84]

If this guy proves me wrong I won’t feel bitter! I would feel very happy that he’s turned it around. The chances of that happening are very slim but I’ll always want him to do well.