Rule Britannia

[urban.spaceman]

24 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Um....judging by reactions of some towards nuanced views and opinions of the British Empire and what it did and didn't accomplish isn't this a little pot and kettly?

 

...or is the simple opinion that "it did good things and though it did bad things everyone was doing similar at the same time so it was okay" what passes for nuance?

I'M JUST ANGRY AT ALL OF THE THINGS MAC AND I THINK IT'S BALLY WELL RIGHT YOU ALL KNOW ABOUT IT

[leicsmac]

1 minute ago, urban.spaceman said:

I'M JUST ANGRY AT ALL OF THE THINGS MAC AND I THINK IT'S BALLY WELL RIGHT YOU ALL KNOW ABOUT IT

Just let it all out, man. It's therapeutic.

[urban.spaceman]

3 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Just let it all out, man. It's therapeutic.

AAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

 

[Trav Le Bleu]

4 hours ago, Raj said:

Anything Lily Allen says I'd disagree with.

She's a wrong un

 

4 hours ago, Facecloth said:

I've heard she thinks you're great.

She must be a wrong un then!

[yorkie1999]

Wonder if she'll start on The Star Spangled Banner next. A poem whose verses do contain references to having no respect for slaves that were fighting for their freedom and was written by a slave owner who advised a president on how to "look after" his own plantation slaves.

[The People's Hero]

Wait. Lily Allen is still alive?

[Alf Bentley]

3 hours ago, davieG said:

If we're going to consider banning anything it should be God Save the Queen

 

The lyrics are questionable to say the least especially the last verse.

 

Shocking stuff in there, Davie....

 

3 hours ago, davieG said:

A call to expand the EU to form a global political union? 

Lord make the nations see,
That men should brothers be,
And form one family,
The wide world ov'er.

 

A paean to fluid sexual identity? 

For Britain's sake defend,
Our mother, prince, and friend,
God save the Queen!

 

Shopping? Supermarket Sweep?!? 

 

3 hours ago, davieG said:

Thy choicest gifts in store,
On her be pleased to pour,
Long may she reign!

Lord grant that Marshal Wade
May by thy mighty aid
Victory bring.
 

Who!?

Ah...that explains the Scottish reference:  Field Marshal George Wade PC (1673 – 14 March 1748) was a British Army officer who served in the Nine Years' War, War of the Spanish Succession, Jacobite rising of 1715 and War of the Quadruple Alliance before leading the construction of barracks, bridges and proper roads in Scotland. He went on to be a military commander during the War of the Austrian Succession and Commander-in-Chief of the Forces during the Jacobite rising of 1745.

 

That would make a good quiz question: "Who's the other person mentioned in the National Anthem, besides the Queen and God?".....Field Marshal George Wade, apparently

[SouthStandUpperTier]

Can't wait to see the Police raid on the Albert Hall during next year's Last Night of the Proms.

[Vacamion]

 

I'm a "Land Of Hope And Glory" man myself. 

 

Makes no bones about setting "the bounds" wider. 

 

And it's a cracking tune, an' all... 

 

 

 

 

Edited to add: It also reminds me of the end of It Ain't Half Hot Mum.... 

[Carl the Llama]

Ode to Joy's another banging tune.

[Izzy]

2 hours ago, Vacamion said:

 It also reminds me of the end of It Ain't Half Hot Mum.... 

One for the teenagers there Vac 

[MPH]

i’m tired of crap singers and entertainers suddenly thinking they Are worthy to be listened to on other subjects.

[Vacamion]

1 hour ago, Izzy said:

One for the teenagers there Vac 

Ot struck me that It Ain’t Half Hot Mum will never be seen by today’s teenagers, given the situation, tone, and vocabulary used.
 

The memory of Windsor Davies screaming at a little bloke is something which will die when we do. 

[fuchsntf]

On 13/11/2019 at 12:28, David Guiza said:

I saw that GMB were at the forefront of hard hitting journalism again by picking up on comments made by Lily Allen with regard to calling for Rule Britannia to be banned and thought I'd go one step below GMB and see what the general consensus of Foxestalk posters was on this topic.

 

I can't say it's something I've actively thought about in the past and It doesn't realistically bother me either way, I don't think, though I would note that I can see where she is coming from. Yes it's just a song from centuries ago, but the connotations are questionable and if it were Americans singing about slavery 'because it's part of their history' then I'm sure a few eyebrows would be raised.

 

It ties in quite closely with my thoughts on the Royals and some of the grandiose acts that go on in Parliament, e.g. Black Rod and the like, in that I'm not quite sure where I stand. Part of me quite likes the pompous nature of it all and that they've survived for centuries, and I love going to the cricket and just enjoying things like the hymns that are just quintessentially British, however I also can't see past how bizarre and ridiculous it all is. How Parliament can discuss serious and life changing topics after a ceremonial panto involving somebody that sounds like a questionable porn actor has paraded through the house is beyond me, and how a 90 odd year old woman can deliver a Queens speech about poverty and the like whilst sitting on a chair and wearing a hat that are worth more than a small nation is equally baffling. 

 

I think ultimately I am for 'moving on' and away from our questionable past, whilst acknowledging that it existed. Other countries have done so, but we seem desperate to hold on and that can be seen by some arguments in respect of Brexit and with the 'poppy fascism' debate.   

Just because some squirm at other people's accusations whom their own countries regions  were rife with betrayal,racism,wiping out their neighbours,and not really their direct region/land of birth...

Why oh why,should we consider we have a questionable past..

All lands have had Empire builders,civilisations,education-centers,sometimes in their past,oh and also shit on their own,just has much as empires abused,used,rampaged,lawfully pillaging( accordingly who had the say)

Some of the biggest decryers come from lands,where after 1000s of years ,they are still murdering and suppressing their own..!!!  Oh! our history had nothing to do with being the first caring,humane Empire....Like Greeks and Romans,we documented our history..good and bad.

Africa,Asian,Americas great civilisations that equalled anything in Egypt,and maybe later European Empires.....We know existed,but got lost on the camels-back of history & dried out documentated scrolls...

Of course British Empire building,stole people's lives & Souls,and shattered cultures...the same ones,where the local indigenous themselves had tread over others..It was either us to grab power,or be ourselves now under the French,Spanish,Dutch etc etc yoke and flags..The Portugese far more advanced than ourselves became our friends and hearty and longest allies..

African,Persian,Indian,Chinese,Japanese,folk had been squabbling within and over their own boundaries..Tribal,Caste,racism,rife today as for a thousand years.

Slavery,splitting selling families off,still the same slave routes fought over today.

Bastards are and always has been covered from all shades,colours and pigament of skin..Outside their known uneducated sphere,but alot worse within their own...!! 

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[Alf Bentley]

16 minutes ago, Vacamion said:

Ot struck me that It Ain’t Half Hot Mum will never be seen by today’s teenagers, given the situation, tone, and vocabulary used.
 

The memory of Windsor Davies screaming at a little bloke is something which will die when we do. 

 

It made it to the twilight world of Youtube.....

 

 

[Footballwipe]

Top work Foxestalk, lured in by the GMB bait of giving ridiculous, niche views the time of day.

 

ITV gave up any credibility when they had flat earthers on This Morning.

[leicsmac]

1 hour ago, MPH said:

i’m tired of crap singers and entertainers suddenly thinking they Are worthy to be listened to on other subjects.

I'm tired of many non-scientific famous folks and politicians in particular thinking they are worthy to be listened to on various scientific topics that are somehow politicised...so yeah, I feel you here.

[David Guiza]

31 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

It made it to the twilight world of Youtube.....

 

He was once a client at my old firm and, somewhat ashamedly, I had no idea who he was. 

[Finnegan]

Ugh

[Guest MattP]

2 hours ago, Footballwipe said:

Top work Foxestalk, lured in by the GMB bait of giving ridiculous, niche views the time of day.

 

ITV gave up any credibility when they had flat earthers on This Morning.

Tbf they do it for all sides, they had some nutter on the other week claiming there are 100 different genders.

 

To anyone with a brain it's become clear that there are just two genders, then about 98 different types of gay person.

[Ashley]

5 hours ago, Footballwipe said:

Top work Foxestalk, lured in by the GMB bait of giving ridiculous, niche views the time of day.

 

ITV gave up any credibility when they had flat earthers on This Morning.

Flat earthers from around the globe by any chance? 👀